Sounds expensive, 6 caps twice a day. LoL.Been using PA for 5 days now, taking 6 caps twice a day. Figure I'll do that for another couple days then drop to 6 caps once a day. Nothing to report yet.
How's the scale weight looking for you?
Sounds expensive, 6 caps twice a day. LoL.Been using PA for 5 days now, taking 6 caps twice a day. Figure I'll do that for another couple days then drop to 6 caps once a day. Nothing to report yet.
Been hovering around 251-255 the past week or so. I stopped creatine on Sunday so I expect to lose a couple more pounds.Sounds expensive, 6 caps twice a day. LoL.
How's the scale weight looking for you?
LoL. Too expensive for my bloodBeen hovering around 251-255 the past week or so. I stopped creatine on Sunday so I expect to lose a couple more pounds.
Yeah, pretty expensive, but I have a little extra money and just wanted to experiment a little. No harm in that right? Unless I grow a third arm... LoL
Right on man. What's the scale looking like? Any change?Well, hit the 80s again and added a rep to it on the db flat bench this morning. Strength appears to be on an upward swing again and appears consistent. Been adding higher loads either via weight or reps to my back exercises as well. Muscles are usually nice and full as well with a good density to them.
Weighed myself this morning, 162. I was 158 before I started Calipers don't appear to show me gaining fat so, it's water and glycogen retention in muscle mass as far as I can tell (because realistically, you can't friggin gain 6 lbs of actual muscle tissue in like less than a month, lol).Right on man. What's the scale looking like? Any change?
Lol according to biotest you can! But if your in a deficit and gained 4lb, that's actually pretty cool. I weighed in at 249 this morning, so I don't believe it's doing anything for me yet, but it's only been 6 days or so.Weighed myself this morning, 162. I was 158 before I started Calipers don't appear to show me gaining fat so, it's water and glycogen retention in muscle mass as far as I can tell (because realistically, you can't friggin gain 6 lbs of actual muscle tissue in like less than a month, lol).
Yeah, it's just water and better glycogen retention. Impossible for it to be actual muscle tissue weight. LoL.Lol according to biotest you can! But if your in a deficit and gained 4lb, that's actually pretty cool. I weighed in at 249 this morning, so I don't believe it's doing anything for me yet, but it's only been 6 days or so.
Gotcha. Do you do pre, intra, or postworkout carbs? Today I only had carbs intra, other than my preworkout meal 2 hours prior. Awesome workout today too but that's probably due to ArA as of now.Yeah, it's just water and better glycogen retention. Impossible for it to be actual muscle tissue weight. LoL.
Keep in mind, some of that weight came on due to me adding peri-workout carbs back in, but it would appear to me that the PA helps me retain more of that glycogen.
If you had a good meal 2 hours prior, pre workout nutrition isn't as important IMO. Intra workout nutrition IMO is beneficial if your training sessions are long and intense (which in my head is an hour or more, short rests between sets, etc.). Not to prevent from becoming catabolic but I feel that it does aid in recovery and post workout you don't have to be worrying over as much (I still like getting something in post workout within an hour or two).Gotcha. Do you do pre, intra, or postworkout carbs? Today I only had carbs intra, other than my preworkout meal 2 hours prior. Awesome workout today too but that's probably due to ArA as of now.
Also, I picked up leucine tabs. How are you using it in conjunction with PA?
No need for leucine tabs/powder. I use branched dextrin + hydro casein pre, Amino IV + branched dextrin intra, then protein post (been using the hydro casein post, surprisingly it holds me over for an hour or two before I get some actual food in).Gotcha. I usually have 50g CHO 2 to 3 hours prior, sometimes up to 4 hours though, and always have 40g during. I also just started using bcaas during as well.
You're using leucine tabs too right? With every meal or just with PA?
Gotcha. I'm not familiar with those proteins you mentioned. Guess I have some research to do. I'm a big fan of whey/casein blends though for all times of the day so I've been using Oh Yeah's Total Protein System and PES Select back and forth.No need for leucine tabs/powder. I use branched dextrin + hydro casein pre, Amino IV + branched dextrin intra, then protein post (been using the hydro casein post, surprisingly it holds me over for an hour or two before I get some actual food in).
On HIIT days, I've been doing MCT + protein pre, but regular protein seems it make my gut feel funny during the workout, going to just start mixing the MCT in with Amino IV pre and then have Amino IV intra on HIIT days (which is tomorrow). I'm in the gym every morning so I basically take PA preworkout first thing in the morning every morning.
Keep us updatedI'm about 10 days in, the scale this morning read 251 again, so I think that's right on track according to how my diet goes. No effect on strength yet I believe.
Decided I need an easy week after a string of nights with low quality and/or low quantity sleep and starting to feel ill so yesterday's workout I went a little light and omitted half the exercises. My next real workout won't be till next Friday.Keep us updated
We all need to ease up on the throttle sometimes I'm pretty sure that I'm due for one.Decided I need an easy week after a string of nights with low quality and/or low quantity sleep and starting to feel ill so yesterday's workout I went a little light and omitted half the exercises. My next real workout won't be till next Friday.
I'll be ordering another 2 bottles of this to give it a nice long run.
It's hard to even take scheduled time off, isn't it? I mean, I had the intent to not even workout yesterday, but at the last minute decided to and if it didn't start raining (my home setup is all outside), I probably would've continued with a full workout. Divine intervention lulzWe all need to ease up on the throttle sometimes I'm pretty sure that I'm due for one.
I tried to look into it but Google didn't come up with anything of value. Just ordered 2 more bottles from Biotest.Bpi has a PA product coming out under the Cutler brand. It's called King and also includes Niagen. Very interesting and expensive looking product.
Have you really noticed much with PA?I tried to look into it but Google didn't come up with anything of value. Just ordered 2 more bottles from Biotest.
I'm also considering getting Follidrone when it's back in stock to run towards the end of this. Any thoughts?
Not yet, but it's only been 10 days or so... Maybe 2 weeks by now. I'm also wondering if it's a waste to use in a caloric deficit though. Either way, I had some extra funds to give it a nice long fair shot.Have you really noticed much with PA?
King isn't out yet. Pretty cool that it's being used by a mainstream brand now (PA).I tried to look into it but Google didn't come up with anything of value. Just ordered 2 more bottles from Biotest.
I'm also considering getting Follidrone when it's back in stock to run towards the end of this. Any thoughts?
Folli was great, I had a sinus infection when I ran it + prescribed antibiotics, but still ended +8lbs w/ BW PR'sKing isn't out yet. Pretty cool that it's being used by a mainstream brand now (PA).
Follidrone I'm planning to use in the autumn. Looks promising, Touey really likes it and that was a good convincer for me to give it a shot as I don't see him recommending things that highly before.
Yup, for some reason I remembered Micro-PA being $50 a bottle... nope. It's $60 a bottle! I actually bought 8 bottles, I've recently did a bottle count. Lol. Really like the stuff though so King will most probably going to be my go to for PA if it ends up being most affordable on the market.Folli was great, I had a sinus infection when I ran it + prescribed antibiotics, but still ended +8lbs w/ BW PR's
King (PA) is available for $40 for a 30 day supply (@750mg), which surely beats out the price Biotest is offering for a 20 day supply!! Wasn't expecting that out of Jay's company lol
Thoughts?Just finishing my 2nd biotest bottle. Have to keep an eye on king pa for price & reviews. Unless biotest price drops.
I think it's glycogen retention which is still a good thing.I definitely notice that my body seems to look more muscular. I'm not quite sure if I've gained body weight, but I do look bigger since using PA. Strength hasn't seemed to have increased, but for some reason I look like I've gotten bigger. It's enough of a difference from before using PA, that I'm on my second bottle & I have a third waiting.
You've used the PA long enough at this point to know what it does so it only makes sense that if you try something new, either you add it in to whatever your already taking at the moment or you take things out and give yourself a few weeks for a washoutMight have to run follidrone with it, next time it's back in stock.
Lol bro, real talk, this is normal (or even slightly below normal) progress for a BBer...definitely not any one supplementIncreased on reps again this week on the 80s. It's been going up by a 1 rep increase week to week in the past 3 weeks or so, had a 2 rep increase this morning. It's almost time to test out 85s for the db flat bench
He's in a caloric deficit...?Lol bro, real talk, this is normal (or even slightly below normal) progress for a BBer...definitely not any one supplement
I think adding a single rep to a set in 7 days is a very reasonable amount of strength gain in a caloric deficit. Plenty of people run progression-based routines in caloric deficits and have similar or greater resultsHe's in a caloric deficit...?
I concurI think adding a single rep to a set in 7 days is a very reasonable amount of strength gain in a caloric deficit. Plenty of people run progression-based routines in caloric deficits and have similar or greater results
I was also looking at the total overall volume But, you could be right.I think adding a single rep to a set in 7 days is a very reasonable amount of strength gain in a caloric deficit. Plenty of people run progression-based routines in caloric deficits and have similar or greater results
Same here. Very underwhelmed.So I've been on PA 30 days now and the results I've seen so far I wouldn't attribute to anything more than what the ArA and Alphamine are providing. I'll still use what I have left but not really expecting anything from this specifically. Oh well.
I'll be ordering 3 bottles of follidrone as soon as it's available. I'm psyched.I'm on my third bottle & just ordered 2 more. I like how much my body looks since taking pa. My body looks more muscular & it makes the muscle, sort of, pop. I think it is a good product. I am interested in clear muscle & follidrone as well.
At least 80 days straight running PA. I view the stuff as a base supplement like creatine would be. Seeing that Chemi Nutra lost their patent on PA, I'm expecting more products to come on to the market at better prices containing PA.Any updates from Micro-PA users?
Thinking of grabbing 2 bottles..
Using King right now. No perceivable falloff yet (6 days so far). PA in general continues to do it's thing.So any new feedback guys ?
read the thread one time lolWhat do you mean by that " continues to do it's thing. " ? What effect this product have ?
When you take something for long periods of time, if you don't have a drop off effect then that would suggest that the product/compound/ingredient is still providing the benefits. If you get a drop off or start accumulating negative sides, then that would suggest you should cycle off something.What do you mean by that " continues to do it's thing. " ? What effect this product have ?
I covered that above.Lol I should have been more straight to the point with you my friend , I was saying what effect do you have when you say " continues to do ... " I was asking what is your experience on it ? strength gain ?
I'm looking for something to help me for strength , since I don't wanna put more weight i'm only using amentoflavone right now