NEW Anabolic /designer steroid act...version 2014!! :(

[JudoJosh]

**** stupid congress.. from usatofay: Whitehouse added that "many American citizens may be unknowingly dosing themselves with these harmful substances."

uhh no we know what the **** we are taking.

lol.. this comment is hilarious.. such naivety

 

[JudoJosh]

It has approx a 2% chance of passing.

Most likely more since it will probably face no opposition.

 

[Mperkins]

lol.. this comment is hilarious.. such naivety

my comment or the congressmans? lol

 

[JudoJosh]

my comment or the congressmans? lol

This

uhh no we know what the **** we are taking.

reality is you have no clue and this has been demonstrated time and time again. I mean look at the current betaine thread going on not to mention all the products that were tested and found to not contain what the label claims or have too little of what the label claims.

 

[Mperkins]

This



reality is you have no clue and this has been demonstrated time and time again. I mean look at the current betaine thread going on not to mention all the products that were tested and found to not contain what the label claims or have too little of what the label claims.

and you im sure act like you know what the heck your taking with your juice? right? does your doc give it to you? do you buy from a source? you dont know what youre taking.. so yeah youre just the same. you can support them and hope its banned.

 

[apoxtle]

It has approx a 2% chance of passing.

why do you think that? i hope you are right but i think the chances of it passing are a lot higher.

 

[Bry17]

why do you think that? i hope you are right but i think the chances of it passing are a lot higher.

Govtrack.

the important percentage is the one to make it through committee, because if it does chances are it will pass. That percentage of passing probably factors in opposition which, like JJ said, is nonexistent really.

 

[apoxtle]

so. why don't you think this will pass again? it will make it through commitee. why wouldn't it. congress views all ph's as drugs, they have shown that in the past. i think this bill will fly through. not because congress really cares about the health of the people they represent but so they can say they actually did something. i hope i'm wrong .

Govtrack.

the important percentage is the one to make it through committee, because if it does chances are it will pass. That percentage of passing probably factors in opposition which, like JJ said, is nonexistent really.

 

[iparatroop]

It will always baffle me as to why strawberries aren't banned (the chemically treated ones), but superdrol isn't sold beside dhea in Safeway. Furthermore, if dhea is naturally occurring and is on supermarket shelves, why do I need a prescription for pharmaceutical grade testosterone?
Thanks a lot Bin Laden.

 

[Bry17]

so. why don't you think this will pass again? it will make it through commitee. why wouldn't it. congress views all ph's as drugs, they have shown that in the past. i think this bill will fly through. not because congress really cares about the health of the people they represent but so they can say they actually did something. i hope i'm wrong .

Im no expert but I think not making it to/through committee would be mainly because of neglect. In other words, do they view it as important enough to take to the next level? I think opposition comes more into play once they have decided to act on it, but I don't know for certain and I certainly haven't worked under law.

 

[Bry17]

Im no expert but I think not making it to/through committee would be mainly because of neglect. In other words, do they view it as important enough to take to the next level? I think opposition comes more into play once they have decided to act on it, but I don't know for certain and I certainly haven't worked under law.

This might put things into perspective.

[FONT=.HelveticaNeueUI]http://www.in.gov/gov/files/BillintoLaw.pdf[/FONT]

 

[rphash49]

This might put things into perspective.

http://www.in.gov/gov/files/BillintoLaw.pdf

Or you could skip all that and pull a big government Obama executive decision bill......

I like the above link. Good info. What phase is the bill in question?

 

[AKBUSA]

most laws like this are passed with out people knowing about them.. the reason most people don't know about them is they slide them in under a larger bill/law they believe will pass that no one reads any way.. 90% of all bills/laws are never read completely ... if no one stands up to the bully he will sucker punch you every time.. it just takes people willing to stand up for what they believe in to shut these people down ,, you need a good argument / lawyer.
look drinking is worse on you liver than most AS/PS . smoking is worse to lung cancer from smoking liver damage from drinking.. but some thing that can help me get healthy and stay that way lets make it illegal.. after all I get panels run all the time to make sure im not hurting my body.. if i had the money like some of these companies I would fight this. just my 2 cent

 

[fueledpassion]

most laws like this are passed with out people knowing about them.. the reason most people don't know about them is they slide them in under a larger bill/law they believe will pass that no one reads any way.. 90% of all bills/laws are never read completely ... if no one stands up to the bully he will sucker punch you every time.. it just takes people willing to stand up for what they believe in to shut these people down ,, you need a good argument / lawyer.
look drinking is worse on you liver than most AS/PS . smoking is worse to lung cancer from smoking liver damage from drinking.. but some thing that can help me get healthy and stay that way lets make it illegal.. after all I get panels run all the time to make sure im not hurting my body.. if i had the money like some of these companies I would fight this. just my 2 cent

Same here. My story is this:

Starting training
Unknowingly (sort of) took a Dienolone PH.
Started getting bigger.
Sides came. Freaked out and started researching.
Landed here. Now I keep regular checkups due to ph use and scour the web for the truth behind healthy behaviors. I now know FAR more about human metabolism and how chemicals, supplements and steroids interact with the body.

All of this because ACL had a great product that I DID NOT regret taking. Steroids can and do have a positive impact on society.

 

[mtinsideout]

Same here. My story is this:

Starting training
Unknowingly (sort of) took a Dienolone PH.
Started getting bigger.
Sides came. Freaked out and started researching.
Landed here. Now I keep regular checkups due to ph use and scour the web for the truth behind healthy behaviors. I now know FAR more about human metabolism and how chemicals, supplements and steroids interact with the body.

All of this because ACL had a great product that I DID NOT regret taking. Steroids can and do have a positive impact on society.

I have a similar story... This is why regulation can be a good thing if done properly. I think PH/DS and associated products should be allowed to be sold as long as they are properly labeled and have instructions on how to use them as well as there potential side effects. When I started out i was fortunate enough to realize what I was taking before it was too late and was able to do something about it. In a way I'm glad it happened though, as with you it has taught me a lot.

 

[Mperkins]

Same here. My story is this:

Starting training
Unknowingly (sort of) took a Dienolone PH.
Started getting bigger.
Sides came. Freaked out and started researching.
Landed here. Now I keep regular checkups due to ph use and scour the web for the truth behind healthy behaviors. I now know FAR more about human metabolism and how chemicals, supplements and steroids interact with the body.

All of this because ACL had a great product that I DID NOT regret taking. Steroids can and do have a positive impact on society.

THIS! its the fact that you did your research! theyre trying to protect the people who think these supps are a toy. all they have to do is take EVERY side effect and post it on the label and i bet it would make the uneducated think twice about taking some.

 

[EatMoar]

THIS! its the fact that you did your research! theyre trying to protect the people who think these supps are a toy. all they have to do is take EVERY side effect and post it on the label and i bet it would make the uneducated think twice about taking some.

Shut up Perkins we know you don't research. Dooooood

 

[Mperkins]

Shut up Perkins we know you don't research. Dooooood

are you serious?

 

[EatMoar]

are you serious?

Yeah dude total srs (sarcasm font)

 

[hyperCat]

I haven't looked at the bill yet - would it affect things like Dermacrine, AlphaBulk/4AD - DHEA derivatives. Would these be banned under this bill?

 

[hurdlemaker]

are you serious?

haha, the "doooooood" was the dead giveaway on the sarcasm, I mean look how jacked you are in ur avatar (sarc...)

 

[Psikiguy]

Wep look like I'm stocking up.

 

[Mperkins]

haha, the "doooooood" was the dead giveaway on the sarcasm, I mean look how jacked you are in ur avatar (sarc...)

fair enough.. i was dumb enough to question him. and i know thanks dude i only own 4sandows

 

[jbryand101b]

I feel that Dienolone doesnt fall too far from the Tren tree, personally.

Could pass as "Tren junior"..

Not quite the strength and not quite the fat burning but also not quite the sides either but hardness is equivalent to Tren from my experience.

Di ene olone

Tri ene olone

It doesn't fall far because its one -ene molecule different.

 

[Yolked]

wtf!!

So what happened to anything that naturally occurred in food? Is that still even considered or are we talking about compounds that really don't comply?

 

[JudoJosh]

So what happened to anything that naturally occurred in food? Is that still even considered or are we talking about compounds that really don't comply?

The bill is about illegally sold designer steroids becoming scheduled drugs.

 

[fueledpassion]

In a time where law is a matter of interpretation rather than logic or intention, this bill is necessary to make prohormones and designers a definite offense against the steroid act.

 

[apoxtle]

so if they are marketed as research chems will they be legal? it wont be possible in pill or cap form as that implies it is meant for human consumption. in liquid suspention or powder ph's probably could be sold for a while. there are plenty of research chems out there that are not meant for human consumption. analogs of every drug out there.

 

[AKBUSA]

real killers

The dangers of acetaminophen, especially in combination with alcohol, have been reported in the medical literature since the 1960s, although they were not always disclosed on the Tylenol labeling and packaging. These dangers were reported in a September 2013 episode of This American Life entitled "Use Only as Directed"[15] and in two investigative articles in ProPublica[16][17]

This American Life reported that "acetaminophen, the active ingredient in Tylenol ... kills the most people [of any over-the-counter drug], according to data from the federal government. Over 150 Americans die each year". This assessment conflicts with assessments in the medical literature, which suggest that the most commonly used alternative to acetaminophen, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (including naproxen, ibuprofen, and aspirin) cause 3200 deaths and 32,000 hospitalizations each year due to gastric bleeding alone.[18] Other estimates place the number of NSAID-related deaths from gastric bleeding as high as 16,000 per year. [19] The apparent discrepancy may arise because the PBS assessment relied exclusively on reports from poison control centers. Such centers are unlikely to report gastric bleeding episodes as NSAID-related, as such episodes may be caused by factors other than NSAID use, and are associated more closely with chronic use rather than acute overdose.

ProPublica reported that the "FDA has long been aware of studies showing the risks of acetaminophen. So has the maker of Tylenol, McNeil Consumer Healthcare, a division of Johnson & Johnson" and "McNeil, the maker of Tylenol ... has repeatedly opposed safety warnings, dosage restrictions and other measures meant to safeguard users of the drug." This included warnings of liver damage and warnings about using acetaminophen in combination with alcohol. This is especially dangerous because of acetaminophen's narrow safety margin. ProPublica interviewed a man who had liver failure after using Tylenol in the recommended dose and drinking two or three glasses of wine, at a time when the Tylenol label didn't mention any dangers of drinking.

Acetaminophen, including Tylenol, causes three times as many cases of liver failure as all other drugs combined,[20] and is the most common cause of acute liver failure in the United States,[21][22] accounting for 39% of cases.

 

[mw1]

so if they are marketed as research chems will they be legal? it wont be possible in pill or cap form as that implies it is meant for human consumption. in liquid suspention or powder ph's probably could be sold for a while. there are plenty of research chems out there that are not meant for human consumption. analogs of every drug out there.

The "research chems" will be the next thing they go after....and rightfully so

 

[technique88]

Does any of this really matter? Steroids are more than easy to come across...

 

[Mperkins]

yeah exactly, i dont want to offend anyone but you have to be a f*ckin moron if you cant get whatever you want.

fair i mean there is maybe ONE thing i cant get but look hard enough and youll find it! but i do like if lets say you wanna add an oral but you dont have time for shipping from a source PHs can be at your door in 2-3days.

 

[fueledpassion]

The ignorance is in thinking that a law will change consumption behavior. It just doesnt. Never has, never will.

There is a difference in meaningful regulation and prohibition. It seems that our Congress and 1/2 the population doesnt know this though.

 

[JudoJosh]

The ignorance is in thinking that a law will change consumption behavior. It just doesnt. Never has, never will.

There is a difference in meaningful regulation and prohibition. It seems that our Congress and 1/2 the population doesnt know this though.

By this logic then NO LAW is worth having since all laws will be broken occasionally.

Why make murder illegal? People are going to kill each other anyway so fuk it right? Law are deterrents, saying there arent 100% effective so whats the point is naive

 

[snagencyV2.0]

Why make murder illegal? People are going to kill each other anyway so fuk it right?

I have long been a proponent of this, and questioned laws against such, myself
:thumbsup:

 

[mountainman33]

I have long been a proponent of this, and questioned laws against such, myself
:thumbsup:

I say law should come from the end of my six shooter! Yeehaw! (Spit some chaw, *patink* in the spitoon)

 

[fueledpassion]

By this logic then NO LAW is worth having since all laws will be broken occasionally.

Why make murder illegal? People are going to kill each other anyway so fuk it right? Law are deterrents, saying there arent 100% effective so whats the point is naive

No its not. It just changes how u go about doing it. Laws only serve to define a line, to say, after this point, there are specific consequences if caught. Thats it. I dont mind laws in this context. I just hate when others try to change everyone's behavior through these "deterrents" as u call them. Laws shouldnt serve to line pockets or impress tyranny or push an agenda. It should simply be something that defines what is right or wrong. Things that do no harm to others should not be included in a law book.

Deterrents huh? Explain the black markets. Explain the fact the murders still occur every day. Explain corruption, insider trading, frauds of the sort. People that live by laws of man simply keep to the shadows. Its the whole socialist approach that I should give up my freedoms to certain things for the "greatet good of society". That my freedoms are less important than that guy that misuses his steroids to a point that he goes into cardiac arrest. So we create "deterrents" that have proven time and time again to fail miserably and waste tax dollars.

 

[JudoJosh]

I have long been a proponent of this, and questioned laws against such, myself
:thumbsup:

Sarcasam?

Or you dont see the point in laws against murder?

 

[JudoJosh]

No its not. It just changes how u do it.

And that would be true for ALL laws wouldnt it?

So is your position that ALL laws are pointless?

Its not going to be immediately better so why even try, this is your position here?

 

[fueledpassion]

And that would be true for ALL laws wouldnt it?

So is your position that ALL laws are pointless?

Its not going to be immediately better so why even try, this is your position here?

No not all laws. Just those that are needed. The ones that work. The ones associated with doing harm to others.

Let me explain my self - I'm a Libertarian. I'd appreciate that legislation would start being fact-based rather than left or right-winged ideologies because nothing is ideal therefore ideologies remain theories that never work. Both sides are oppressive especially with meaningless laws such as this one. Yeah, lets just add another 20 compounds to the black market & hurt an industry in the process...bunch of control freaks.

 

[snagencyV2.0]

Sarcasam?

Or you dont see the point in laws against murder?

serious brah...deadly serious
one might even say - murderously serious
(pun intended)

relax brosef, just clowning on where this thread is going
these things always evolve into a political foray, for some reason..

 

[technique88]

fair i mean there is maybe ONE thing i cant get but look hard enough and youll find it! but i do like if lets say you wanna add an oral but you dont have time for shipping from a source PHs can be at your door in 2-3days.

I have online sources that will deliver the real deal in 1 to 2 days.

 

[jbryand101b]

And that would be true for ALL laws wouldnt it?

So is your position that ALL laws are pointless?

Its not going to be immediately better so why even try, this is your position here?

I fought the law and the law won

 

[JudoJosh]

No not all laws. Just those that are needed. The ones that work.

Which laws are NEVER broken?

 

[JudoJosh]

serious brah...deadly serious
one might even say - murderously serious
(pun intended)

relax brosef, just clowning on where this thread is going
these things always evolve into a political foray, for some reason..

I figured it was sarcasam, but you never know. Seriously, I see some crazy positions on the web

 

[abformulations]

There's a site that sent me an email stating get your Ph's before the ban. So it's starting it seems

 

[edje007]

There's a site that sent me an email stating get your Ph's before the ban. So it's starting it seems

Nice sale trick

 

[brundel]

Considering a 2% chance this bill is gonna pass an email saying to stock up now is just to get you to purchase more product. Im not saying dont purchase products you want just that you dont need to stock up as this bill almost certainly wont pass.

 

[mw1]

Considering a 2% chance this bill is gonna pass an email saying to stock up now is just to get you to purchase more product. Im not saying dont purchase products you want just that you dont need to stock up as this bill almost certainly wont pass.

What makes you think that?
I am willing to bet money that it will...any takers?

 

[abformulations]

I think the bill is going to pass. But not immediately. In a few months probably.

The site didn't even give much of a discount on them neither. So no rush.