Came across this folks and I have to say it surprised me. Basically pointing the finger that NAC helps cancer cells if I read it correctly.
What do we all think about this?
What do we all think about this?
Yeah i agree....someone got in abit of a discussion with the guy and called his research out so I'm not sure what to believe. I would of thought at really high dosages (IV) level maybe....but daily 600mg-1000mg?I can’t say much, I’m not real familiar with how cancer works or anything. But it does seem at least somewhat plausible. Reactive oxygen species are harmful to cells, including cancer, so if you reduce those with antioxidants, you’d also protect the cancer cells. I’m sure there’s a balance somewhere.
Yeah maybe. I don't know whether it's because it kills cancer and relieves covid symptoms or because of the cancer risk?would explain why they want it off the OTC market.
would explain why they want it off the OTC market.
The FDA could likely care less if NAC is or isn't available as a dietary supplement - what they really wanted was for companies to stop making ridiculous claims that they shouldn't have been making to begin with.Yeah maybe. I don't know whether it's because it kills cancer and relieves covid symptoms or because of the cancer risk?
Makes total sense thank you.The FDA could likely care less if NAC is or isn't available as a dietary supplement - what they really wanted was for companies to stop making ridiculous claims that they shouldn't have been making to begin with.
To understand the NAC situation, one has to understand something very clearly:
Companies are not legally supposed to refer to any dietary supplement as a 'cure' for anything.
Prior to Covid, the FDA had sent warning letters to companies that were marketing NAC as a hangover 'cure' - companies are not legally supposed to refer to any dietary supplement as a 'cure' for anything. Companies didn't listen.
Then when the Covid pandemic started, many companies were promoting NAC as a Covid 'cure' - and to those of us that are familiar with supplements this may seem like an obvious shady sales tactic, but the companies doing this were taking advantage of a lot of unknowing consumers in desperate situations and scamming many millions of dollars from people like our parents, grandparents, etc.
The FDA sent warning letters to companies that were marketing NAC as a Covid 'cure' and the companies didn't stop.
In context, the FDA had a lot more important stuff on their plate at the time of the start of the Covid pandemic than to worry about dietary supplements, so I'm paraphrasing here but they basically said - screw it, if supplement companies won't listen and want to promote it as a drug (the claim that it 'cures'), then screw it, it doesn't meet the legal definition of a dietary supplement, so you just can't sell it.
That's of course paraphrasing but that's the gist of it.
The industry pushed back and the FDA did ultimately relent on this and NAC is still available.
But it did accomplish what I think there intended goal was - which was to show companies they weren't messing around and to cut the BS and stop making the stupid claims on it that they shouldn't have been making to begin with.
I hope that makes sense.
Things like this being brought up in the news cycle isn’t really new information – it may be new studies on the subject, and they may be getting more attention now just because of the popularity of NAC, but the idea that antioxidants in general can be bad for some types of cancers has been well established for years.Makes total sense thank you.
Now it's just the science part. Does it or doesn't it promote tumour progression??
Can't imagine the FDA allowing it to be sold if it did as being suggested by that Hagen guy?
Great post and you are correct - there is a huge difference between something being carcinogenic and contributing to a person getting cancer versus something being potentially detrimental to a person that is battling cancer. And even then, the same thing may be beneficial for one type of cancer but detrimental to another.Cancer is a very complicated and varied thing, it would not surprise me at all if NAC promoted tumor growth in certain types of cancer. A lot of things that we would consider healthy and even anti-cancer in a preventative sense could contribute to cancer growth when the body is in a cancerous state. There are even arguments about cancer treatment drugs spurring the growth of cancer when the cancer becomes resistant. The bottom line is that NAC is not a known carcinogen as far as any research I have seen and is not likely to cause cancer, but if you have cancer I would definitely consult your oncologist and probably discontinue use during treatment.
Yes it's complicated. There's so many ifs/buts l and variables and I don't know what Hagens research background is, but thought it was worth putting it out there for people's opinions on the subject. Been some great feedback and some context put to it.Great post and you are correct - there is a huge difference between something being carcinogenic and contributing to a person getting cancer versus something being potentially detrimental to a person that is battling cancer. And even then, the same thing may be beneficial for one type of cancer but detrimental to another.
Nothing wrong with posting something to get opinions on.Yes it's complicated. There's so many ifs/buts l and variables and I don't know what Hagens research background is, but thought it was worth putting it out there for people's opinions on the subject. Been some great feedback and some context put to it.
Whether I'll use NAC daily is something I need to think about as there's other options.
I was gonna say cocaine and hookers but to each there own...lolBoth melatonin and NAC are among the best supps to fight covid.
What? I thought it was masks and jabs????????Both melatonin and NAC are among the best supps to fight covid.
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