Sweet x2
Doubt that as the label on the bottle of MMV3 says:Bosses are out in Vegas doing business, but i hear from the sub-boss the mmv3 andro dose is roughly 100mg. That's not set in stone though, i need to hear from the man himself.
How is that going to be a higher dose? Even at 90% absorption, you are talking 22 mgs or so. I am just looking at this from the perspective of something like PP AndroHard where a full dose is 1200 mgs at a very high bio-availability. Seems you would have to take this a lot to get the same if it is even possible.We will do 25mg epiandrosterone. That's the max that the mucosa can take at one time it would seem.
What I was thinkingHow is that going to be a higher dose? Even at 90% absorption, you are talking 22 mgs or so. I am just looking at this from the perspective of something like PP AndroHard where a full dose is 1200 mgs at a very high bio-availability. Seems you would have to take this a lot to get the same if it is even possible.
and the bottle of 240 caps :firedevil:200mg caps would be pimptastic!
My thoughts also, i've wondered this with a few products that try to compete with how much PP's Andro series puts in their product line.How is that going to be a higher dose? Even at 90% absorption, you are talking 22 mgs or so. I am just looking at this from the perspective of something like PP AndroHard where a full dose is 1200 mgs at a very high bio-availability. Seems you would have to take this a lot to get the same if it is even possible.
I would say 300 at 90.200mg caps would be pimptastic!
Typical LG... you just go for the cheap and easy route instead of making something novel or dosing it high enough to make it attractive. There are so many more Andro products out there now that will blow that doseage out of the water... very disappointed. Everyone said MMV2 was the best, why wouldn't you just re-release that? Companies have brought back old products that customers asked for the same as they were and the fact you don't do that just boggles the mind.We will do 25mg epiandrosterone. That's the max that the mucosa can take at one time it would seem.
Yes, especially if we are talking about the realms of competitor products. There are products out there that offer dosages of upwards of 1200mg/day AND that tout a 80-90% bioavailibility rate. Not sure if a sublingual product at 25mg will measure up at all really.....Typical LG... you just go for the cheap and easy route instead of making something novel or dosing it high enough to make it attractive. There are so many more Andro products out there now that will blow that doseage out of the water... very disappointed. Everyone said MMV2 was the best, why wouldn't you just re-release that? Companies have brought back old products that customers asked for the same as they were and the fact you don't do that just boggles the mind.
AMS, Finaflex, Iron Mag Labs, shall I continue?Who makes a androsterone product besides primordial? D-Plex and stanodrol are both discontinued. I cant think if anyone else who makes one
This thread is about bringing back MMv2 right? So by androsterone we are talking about the isomer 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one correct? I know it gets confusing using the term androsterone with all these companies using the term 1-androsterone so I wont use it anymore.AMS, Finaflex, Iron Mag Labs, shall I continue?
The AMS product is very similar to PP, it may be a different isomer though. I know that PP went back to both the alpha and beta isomer because both have certain benefits. I want it to be great, I heard it was, times have changed though with the androseries now and some of the other options from AMS and a select few others. The kicker is people got wise after PP let everyone know how much you are really getting from the active which makes it hard for a company to just put out the same ol same ol and be taken seriously.This thread is about bringing back MMv2 right? So by androsterone we are talking about the isomer 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one correct? I know it gets confusing using the term androsterone with all these companies using the term 1-androsterone so I wont use it anymore.
Do any of the companies you listed make a 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one product? Or even a 3 alpha isomer of it? Their androsterone products or 1-andro as they call it are 1-Dehydroepiandrosterone or 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one (AKA 1-DHEA). The 3 beta (MMv2/stanodrol/androhard) and 3 alpha (MMv3) isomers of androsterone convert to DHT. 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one is said to convert to 1-test.
So 1-androsterone does not equal androsterone. At least this is my understanding of it since they convert differently, 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one converts more to DHT and 1- Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one should convert to 1-testosterone.
Again this is my understanding of it and I could be wrong but as far as I know there are no other companies that are currently making any if those isimers besides primordials androhard.
Huh?The AMS product is very similar to PP, it may be a different isomer though. I know that PP went back to both the alpha and beta isomer because both have certain benefits. I want it to be great, I heard it was, times have changed though with the androseries now and some of the other options from AMS and a select few others. The kicker is people got wise after PP let everyone know how much you are really getting from the active which makes it hard for a company to just put out the same ol same ol and be taken seriously.
YES!If we had something along the lines of Stanodrol and MMv2 I'd be more than happy its one of my favorite products
I think thats 1-Alpha by AMS its 3-beta-hydroxy-androstan-17-oneHuh?
Your saying AMS 1-andro is similar to PPs androhard?
Ohhh I see now.I think thats 1-Alpha by AMS its 3-beta-hydroxy-androstan-17-one
http://www.advancedmusclescience.com/products/pro-anabolic-supplements/1-alpha-capsules/#nogoOhhh I see now.
I didnt know 1-alpha existed!
How the hell did I miss this? LOL..
When did AMS release this? I only knew about decavol, 1ad and 4ad from AMS. Is this 1-alpha a new product from them?
what fight?I don't have much of a dog in this fight as chem stuff is a bit out of my realm of knowledge.
Not with their specific androseries products but there is a fair amount on the self emulsifying drug delivery system (AKA liquidvade). It isnt much of a stretch to think a hormone in liquidvade would have better absorbability then a capped hormone. Although I will admit superiority with regard to Liquidvade vs sublingual (with the HPB-Cycldextrin) is questionable and debatable as the evidence for both arent really concrete.But 2 things:
First, PP is producing information to support their claim. It's like a supplement company sponsoring a clinical trial... how much can we actually trust. I'm not saying that PP is lying, i am just offering that up for thought.
I was JUST about to ask thisThe same can be said with anything we (LG) say regarding our improved bioavailability.
But how many bottles would you need to equal the dose of the androseries. That is the question being asked. If LG wants to bring back MMv2 then androhard and 1-alpha will be their competitors and LG has to show how much absorbability their version will have so then we can compare it in price per serving (based upon the absorbability) and not per bottle. But then again all the claims, like you said will be from the manufacture. I guess it will boil down to HPB-Cycldextrin vs. liquidvadeSecond, PP's series run $100+, while we offer products for 30 dollars roughly.
Food for thought.
Yea I saw that after you posted. Is this a new product from AMS?
In reality it may be from the manufacturer but everything that is claimed is backed up. Everyone knows if you drink GFJ with your orals, you get much better absorption and bio-availabilty. The same goes for taking anything hormone related in the presence of a lipid or fat, again, studies show this. It is also why many OTC test boosters recommend to take fish oil with the dose, it makes a difference allbeit not a huge one.I don't have much of a dog in this fight as chem stuff is a bit out of my realm of knowledge. But 2 things:
First, PP is producing information to support their claim. It's like a supplement company sponsoring a clinical trial... how much can we actually trust. I'm not saying that PP is lying, i am just offering that up for thought. The same can be said with anything we (LG) say regarding our improved bioavailability.
Second, PP's series run $100+, while we offer products for 30 dollars roughly.
Food for thought.
I have never tried the old MMv2 either but like you, i have heard nothing but good things about it.Here is the thing, oral bio-availability of androsterone, epiandrosterone is not good, this is VERY well documented. Sublingual delivery does help but as LG said, you are limited by how much you can get in one dose. That brings the next question, how many doses can you get in a day and how much does it take to get to a sizable amount that will make a big difference? No one is knocking MMV2, I wish I got to try it to be honest I never heard a bad thing about it, I just bring up the question I did before, if it was so good then why not bring it back just like it was and add more?
MMv2 wasnt sublingual tabs?Mmv2 was capped at 100mg per at 90 per bottle combined with Y and some other things.
Why doesn't anyone just come out with a fat dissolved product? Take the hormone, dump it in some oil and package it with a dropper. Better delivery, cheaper overhead, more effective. Winner winner chicken dinner.
Nope. That was supposed to be the improvement in MMV3, we all saw how that went.MMv2 wasnt sublingual tabs?
Oh if thats the case then I definitely would like to see a capped version instead of any sublingual one.Nope. That was supposed to be the improvement in MMV3, we all saw how that went.
you are right.This thread is about bringing back MMv2 right? So by androsterone we are talking about the isomer 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one correct? I know it gets confusing using the term androsterone with all these companies using the term 1-androsterone so I wont use it anymore.
Do any of the companies you listed make a 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one product? Or even a 3 alpha isomer of it? Their androsterone products or 1-andro as they call it are 1-Dehydroepiandrosterone or 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one (AKA 1-DHEA). The 3 beta (MMv2/stanodrol/androhard) and 3 alpha (MMv3) isomers of androsterone convert to DHT. 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one is said to convert to 1-test.
So 1-androsterone does not equal androsterone. At least this is my understanding of it since they convert differently, 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one converts more to DHT and 1- Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one should convert to 1-testosterone.
Again this is my understanding of it and I could be wrong but as far as I know there are no other companies that are currently making any if those isimers besides primordials androhard.
you are wrong.The AMS product is very similar to PP, it may be a different isomer though. I know that PP went back to both the alpha and beta isomer because both have certain benefits. I want it to be great, I heard it was, times have changed though with the androseries now and some of the other options from AMS and a select few others. The kicker is people got wise after PP let everyone know how much you are really getting from the active which makes it hard for a company to just put out the same ol same ol and be taken seriously.
yes, this is a ph to dht.I think thats 1-Alpha by AMS its 3-beta-hydroxy-androstan-17-one
I like the way you think.Oh if thats the case then I definitely would like to see a capped version instead of any sublingual one.
200mg caps FTW!
I think this depends on how the cyclo is attached to the compoundYou have any thoughts on this proposed product Jbry?
Think 25mg epiandrosterone taken in a sublingual liquid (I assume taken with HPB-Cycldextrin) will be an effective androsterone product and would be comparable and competitive with androhard or stanodrol?
High dosed or with a lipid carrier :thumbsup:Give us 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one, back with no Y.
me too!A liquid carrier would be fine by me. As long as I can play with dosing cause Id love to stack this with a few of my future ph runs.
For sure I'd jump on quite a few bottles of this stuff especially if its liquid form.Any updates on this? I seriously would buy MMV2 (liquid or capsule... none of this sublingual tab stuff though) in a heartbeat... and a lot of it.
I definitely think it needs to be a liquid carrier for it to help its bioavailability.If it is epi-androsterone and dosed high, especially in pill form with a fatty acid carrier, it will be sick. Anything that is a standard pill will have to be so high because of the lack of bio-availability it may not be cost effective.
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