Letter from 2012 in Obama's America

[Irish Cannon]

this thread has exploded, too funnny.

Hopefully some of those who have been hiding in the closet are making themselves very apparent

I really didn't know so many people automatically assumed that those that get frustrated with homosexuality are gay. I truly and honestly don't understand the basis for this. Not everyone that disagrees with the lifestyle is like the homosexual-hating, yet homosexual himself father in American Beauty. I think a very, very small amount of people would fall into that category.

 

[DAdams91982]

Obviously you've never been in corporate management.

One will get passed over for many upper level jobs if they are not willing to relocate. Travel is mandatory the larger your corporation and the higher you are up the chain.

You must have misunderstood me obviously. If you did not want to be in that position, to travel, and relocate... guess what.... you dont have too. Military DOES, regardless... there is no saying I quit.

It's the norm for you.
The exact opposite is the norm for homosexuals.

You're telling me if you are single or when you were that while looking at an attractive woman you didn't automatically hope she was available and into guys (more particularly, you)?

Do you honestly believe that gay men aren't as turned off at the thought of you and female genitalia as much as you may be by the thought of them and male genitalia?

So yes, I'm serious. I've actually heard gay men say that they assume every guy is gay until they know otherwise, so I know it's a valid scenario in at least some portion of the population.

How is that different from you assuming every guy is straight, considering that both of you view your personal orientation as "the norm"?

But that is where you are wrong, at least in the military environment. Seeing as the current regulations, you HAVE to assume everyone is strait. That is the point of the regulation, so the majority doesn't feel uncomfortable.

Tell me this... In America... is it the Norm to be gay or strait? And I am not wanting from some east LA metro guys point of view.. I mean majority speaking.

Adams

 

[DAdams91982]

I really didn't know so many people automatically assumed that those that get frustrated with homosexuality are gay. I truly and honestly don't understand the basis for this. Not everyone that disagrees with the lifestyle is like the homosexual-hating, yet homosexual himself father in American Beauty. I think a very, very small amount of people would fall into that category.

Agreed, thats paramount to saying "Whoever smelt it dealt it"

Adams

 

[Irish Cannon]

How is that different from you assuming every guy is straight, considering that both of you view your personal orientation as "the norm"?

I honestly don't think that's the case. I would highly doubt most homosexuals see their lifestyle as the norm. It's what they are, but it's not the majority of the public, and they know that.

I wouldn't even go about saying that heterosexuality is the norm, although it is. I see it as the natural state and order of things. Deviating from heterosexuality into bisexuality or homosexuality disrupts the natural order.

What I'd like to know is how do we determine the right or the wrong? Are there any moral absolutes when it comes to sexuality? Is pedophilia okay? Is beastiality okay? Who determines so?

The Greeks didn't even see it as homosexuality or heterosexuality...it was just sexuality. Men had boys, and it was the norm and it was okay to them. Is it okay to us? No. Why? Where's the absolute moral distinction?

I know where my moral distinction comes from. Where does yours come from? (This question is for everyone)

 

[AE14]

It really is a play off of the old shakespearean saying

He who doth protest too much

 

[Irish Cannon]

...or "If you spot it, you got it."

 

[DAdams91982]

...or "If you spot it, you got it."

 

[Mulletsoldier]

1) point out where I was demeaning women? and umm u said put a robe on me and include blacks and jews i guess you meant something else right :rollseyes:


and Im a joke? and how am I holding my service over someones head. are you really retarded? there are several military in here discussing issues pertaining to us. not your backwoods fulltime rep position with usp. go play supplement and allow us to talk about stuff that effects in our daily lives. you know fighting for the right for you to insult us. this effects us not you sweetpea. people like u make me vomit you think your holier then though internet tough guy bullshit you slung the insults first little fella acting like you know all , when you have never faced anything of the nature service members go thru. dont talk about brain surgery with brain surgeons if your not a surgeon. You have your opinions I have mine deal with it.

and still I lmfao oh noes someone clown on the internet doesnt like me hahahaha

u insulting me is like competing against a one legged man in an asskicking contest

i take no offense to any douchebag calling me a joke

i see someone is a bit upset that we dont accept his choice of lifestyle

anyhow judging by the quality of those whining ill make this my final post in this thread

This fourth edit is the best, little fella.

It was funny how upset you got; the last illiterate tirade caked it! I thought you didn't get upset at 'douchebags on the internet', though? Appears to me like your Nascar ginch are in a knot!

 

[rubberring]

Tell me this... In America... is it the Norm to be gay or strait? And I am not wanting from some east LA metro guys point of view.. I mean majority speaking.

So, if the majority of people in America are white... ???

You see where I'm going with that. Look, it all comes down to whether or not we as a society feel that homosexuality is a choice. Science says it's not... just like science in the 1960's said that black people weren't any different from a cognitive perspective than white people.

I just wish this country would realize that religion, etc. can still exist without denying what science tells us.

 

[mmorpheuss]

You must have misunderstood me obviously. If you did not want to be in that position, to travel, and relocate... guess what.... you dont have too. Military DOES, regardless... there is no saying I quit.

No misunderstanding at all.
Your argument of "if they don't want to, they don't have to" can be made for enlistment as well. Don't want to deal with it, don't enlist. Can't hang, get dishonorably discharged.
Fact is, people choose management as a profession same as they choose a life of military service. Once they get to a certain point that is what they are trained to do, so the other options are really not that vast.

But that is where you are wrong, at least in the military environment. Seeing as the current regulations, you HAVE to assume everyone is strait. That is the point of the regulation, so the majority doesn't feel uncomfortable.

You have to outwardly assume everyone is straight. That has no bearing on what you feel inside. There are alot of things people have to outwardly do (regulated by law), despite their inner feelings, military or not.

Tell me this... In America... is it the Norm to be gay or strait? And I am not wanting from some east LA metro guys point of view.. I mean majority speaking.

Adams

Do you want a statistical answer based on pure numbers?
In reality I would have to say that's probably in the eye of the beholder.
Personally, I think it would be reasonable to assume that a homosexual individual that is 100% comfortable with their lifestyle may in fact feel that homosexuals and bisexuals are the norm, while those that are strictly heterosexual are in minority.

 

[Irish Cannon]

Science providing factual evidence and science providing theory are very different.

I believe homosexuality CAN be a choice, and it can also be there upon birth. I see no reason why they can't both exist. Science may have proved one way, but I believe it can also prove the other if it wanted.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

I know this thread has had quite a bit of derogatory language in it and I have to step in and let everyone know that when we're making references to people we keep names like 'fag' out of it. Regardless on how you feel, this forum isn't going to be a safe haven for hate speech. If you have issues and want to discuss them rationally and respectively, then do so but keep the ignorant language to other forums made for this type of thing...

When I have time i'll be editing posts and I don't expect to have to edit any after this one.

Wow, 'fag' may be construed as a 'hate' word; who would have thought, Outside Blumpkin?

 

[DAdams91982]

So, if the majority of people in America are white... ???

You see where I'm going with that. Look, it all comes down to whether or not we as a society feel that homosexuality is a choice. Science says it's not... just like science in the 1960's said that black people weren't any different from a cognitive perspective than white people.

I just wish this country would realize that religion, etc. can still exist without denying what science tell us.

I am not saying they are different, I don't really even care. Again, I was referring things to the military debate. You cannot make the majority feel uncomfortable to please such a small percentage.



Adams

 

[mmorpheuss]

I honestly don't think that's the case. I would highly doubt most homosexuals see their lifestyle as the norm. It's what they are, but it's not the majority of the public, and they know that.

I wouldn't even go about saying that heterosexuality is the norm, although it is. I see it as the natural state and order of things. Deviating from heterosexuality into bisexuality or homosexuality disrupts the natural order.

What I'd like to know is how do we determine the right or the wrong? Are there any moral absolutes when it comes to sexuality? Is pedophilia okay? Is beastiality okay? Who determines so?

The Greeks didn't even see it as homosexuality or heterosexuality...it was just sexuality. Men had boys, and it was the norm and it was okay to them. Is it okay to us? No. Why? Where's the absolute moral distinction?
)

Now there's where you touch on a good point. Alot of the distinctions you are making are coming from a heterosexual male residing in the US.

In other countries people are rolling quite differently. So when you think about what is the "norm" in certain situations, are you thinking globally, or strictly in the US?

When does that dynamic change considering that we are becoming more and more globalized every day?

 

[DAdams91982]

Science providing factual evidence and science providing theory are very different.

I believe homosexuality CAN be a choice, and it can also be there upon birth. I see no reason why they can't both exist. Science may have proved one way, but I believe it can also prove the other if it wanted.

That reminds me of highschool... when it was cool for chicks to go through their lesbian phase... then resume to smoke the c0ck after highschool.

Adams

 

[rubberring]

Here's what's disturbing to some of you about gay sex:

1. They suck each others' penises (blowjobs)
2. They put their penises in each others' rectums (anal)

YET... the most popular subsections on most straight porn sites are:

1. Blowjobs
2. Anal sex

Irony? Or hypocrisy?

 

[DAdams91982]

Now there's where you touch on a good point. Alot of the distinctions you are making are coming from a heterosexual male residing in the US.

In other countries people are rolling quite differently. So when you think about what is the "norm" in certain situations, are you thinking globally, or strictly in the US?

When does that dynamic change considering that we are becoming more and more globalized every day?

So why would we discuss them, when the discussion was about service men and women in the US military, and them being comfortable enough to do the job at hand? Two muslims making out in the center of Baghdad has no impact upon my life. Some Private Joe Smith making out with Sergeant Bob Martinez in the middle of the BX is a different story.

Adams

 

[rubberring]

I am not saying they are different, I don't really even care. Again, I was referring things to the military debate. You cannot make the majority feel uncomfortable to please such a small percentage.

Man, I don't know about that. Small is a relative term.

 

[Irish Cannon]

Now there's where you touch on a good point. Alot of the distinctions you are making are coming from a heterosexual male residing in the US.

In other countries people are rolling quite differently. So when you think about what is the "norm" in certain situations, are you thinking globally, or strictly in the US?

When does that dynamic change considering that we are becoming more and more globalized every day?

That's what I'm trying to point out. I have a certain set of moral guidelines, others make their moral judgements based on what is normal, or what is average, or what others tell them they need to accept. My beliefs would be the same no matter where I lived. I know that because I don't swing and sway with the crowd. I just wonder if most feel the same way.

The children of the Fourth Reich were tought is was wrong to not hate Jews.

The debate could go on forever. As it does...

 

[Mulletsoldier]

I am not saying they are different, I don't really even care. Again, I was referring things to the military debate. You cannot make the majority feel uncomfortable to please such a small percentage.



Adams

I agree; however, does that uncomfortable situation justify ignorant and hateful bigotry like Outside Blumpkin's? I would assume no.

As I said, you both (Outside Backer and yourself) have told me my opinion is unsubstantiated because I did not serve; fact is, I have double the experience either of you do in respects to the majority pleasing a minority.

You both have served multiple years, I assume, but I have lived in a country which carries out exactly what you are describing my entire life. For example, all signage, nutrition facts, labels and so forth must be given in both French and English; the Charter of Rights and Freedoms dictates my right to be spoken to in both French and English in any part of the country; but, surprisingly, in Quebec (the 'French' portion of the country) the law dictates that French must be given first, and that no English must be present.

The Anglophone vs Francophone debate in Canada has been a constant headache since the FLQ assassinations of the 1970's; now, while obviously I did not experience those portions, it has been a very annoying issue my entire life. I can assure you, I have the requisite experience when it comes to 'making the majority feel comfortable when it comes to pleasing such a small percentage'. That being said, you would never catch me blurting out 'Frog' when describing a Francophone, because I simply not steeped in fear, hate, or ignorance.

 

[DAdams91982]

Here's what's disturbing to some of you about gay sex:

1. They suck each others' penises (blowjobs)
2. They put their penises in each others' rectums (anal)

YET... the most popular subsections on most straight porn sites are:

1. Blowjobs
2. Anal sex

Irony? Or hypocrisy?

Hmmm...

Feeling soft subtle breast grazing your legs as getting blow job, or feeling even rougher whiskers than your own tickling you sack as you get sucked?

Grabbing a nice thick rear end, with all the hour glass figure, or grabbing a thick chunk of @ss hair?

Really... seriously.... you are comparing the two?

Adams

 

[rubberring]

Man, I don't know about that. Small is a relative term.

For example, I have two Muslim kids in my classroom of 31 students. I have one African-American. That's a small percentage, statistically. Should I forget about their comfort level?

 

[rubberring]

Hmmm...

Feeling soft subtle breast grazing your legs as getting blow job, or feeling even rougher whiskers than your own tickling you sack as you get sucked?

Grabbing a nice thick rear end, with all the hour glass figure, or grabbing a thick chunk of @ss hair?

Really... seriously.... you are comparing the two?

Adams

Dude, keep up... we're talking about watching the acts.

 

[DAdams91982]

I agree; however, does that uncomfortable situation justify ignorant and hateful bigotry like Outside Blumpkin's? I would assume no.

As I said, you both (Outside Backer and yourself) have told me my opinion is unsubstantiated because I did not serve; fact is, I have double the experience either of you do in respects to the majority pleasing a minority.

You both have served multiple years, I assume, but I have lived in a country which carries out exactly what you are describing my entire life. For example, all signage, nutrition facts, labels and so forth must be given in both French and English; the Charter of Rights and Freedoms dictates my right to be spoken to in both French and English in any part of the country; but, surprisingly, in Quebec (the 'French' portion of the country) the law dictates that French must be given first, and that no English must be present.

The Anglophone vs Francophone debate in Canada has been a constant headache since the FLQ assassinations of the 1970's; now, while obviously I did not experience those portions, it has been a very annoying issue my entire life. I can assure you, I have the requisite experience when it comes to 'making the majority feel comfortable when it comes to pleasing such a small percentage'. That being said, you would never catch me blurting out 'Frog' when describing a Francophone, because I simply not steeped in fear, hate, or ignorance.

As Rob would say... you are comparing apples to refrigerators. A difference of language is a far cry from putting a gay guy and a strait guy in the same room, forcing them to shower together, and sleeping meer inches from each other.

I don't doubt you are well versed in dealing with your own PC problems, in fact I think I gave you that... but to say you are better versed in a issue dealing with me and OB personally is a little short sighted.

Adams

 

[Irish Cannon]

For example, I have two Muslim kids in my classroom of 31 students. I have one African-American. That's a small percentage, statistically. Should I forget about their comfort level?

I think you should make all of them uncomfortable. Haha.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

...but to say you are better versed in a issue dealing with me and OB personally is a little short sighted.

Adams

I never did, though; I told you that your point was valid, but he expressed himself like a juvenile, unable to see past his own bigotry. For your specific situation I cannot make inferences, but I have not been talking about your specific situation this entire time.

And assuming it is merely a difference in language is equally as short-sighted on your part. It is a cultural, geographical, political and social issue which has unfortunately - and annoyingly - been at the forefront of Canadian Politics for ages. There is actually a political party called the Bloc Quebecois who only lobbies for Francophone rights; who, despite the fact they are elected as part of the Canadian Legislature - and therein have been the official Opposition on one occasion - still lobby to separate from Canada; and, even more annoyingly, hold constituents who do not speak English. So, no, it is not merely a language issue, and it does relate: The amount of hostility created on both sides stems from a fundamental epistemological disagreement, which then produces ignorance like OB.

So, when I have been living in a situation my entire life that you have temporarily served in (not diminishing you at all - I have incredible respect for you), I feel comfortable in asserting my position.

 

[Irish Cannon]

As Rob would say... you are comparing apples to refrigerators. A difference of language is a far cry from putting a gay guy and a strait guy in the same room, forcing them to shower together, and sleeping meer inches from each other.

I don't doubt you are well versed in dealing with your own PC problems, in fact I think I gave you that... but to say you are better versed in a issue dealing with me and OB personally is a little short sighted.

Adams

I could even deal with sleeping in the same room as a gay guy. I really don't have a problem with that. But as I said earlier, showering is just too close for comfort.

 

[rubberring]

I think you should make all of them uncomfortable. Haha.

Touche, my friend!!! :rofl:

 

[Irish Cannon]

Plus it's just damn unfair! If they ARE attracted to me, they are getting a free looksie.

 

[rubberring]

Plus it's just damn unfair! If they ARE attracted to me, they are getting a free looksie.

FINALLY, we agree! There is indeed an issue of fairness there.

 

[DAdams91982]

Dude, keep up... we're talking about watching the acts.

Haha... don't get mad cause I shot your idea into pieces.. you were comparing two completely different things.

Adams

 

[mmorpheuss]

So why would we discuss them, when the discussion was about service men and women in the US military, and them being comfortable enough to do the job at hand?

We discuss them because they influence our children and our culture through immigration and the beauty of myspace, facebook, and various message boards and chatrooms.
In todays society they spend more time shaping the ideas and thoughts of our youth on average then parents do. Those kids grow up, and then they make the choice to serve their country. With you. That makes them more than relevant.

Two muslims making out in the center of Baghdad has no impact upon my life. Some Private Joe Smith making out with Sergeant Bob Martinez in the middle of the BX is a different story.

Adams

Whoa.
I thought this was all about being "openly gay", as in, a person not being able to say they are homosexual if they are a member of the armed forces.
I had no idea that cessation of that policy automatically meant Smith and Martinez were going to have Army approved rendesvous in the barracks.


It doesn't, but that's really the point isn't it? Once you know Smith and Martinez are gay, your mind is going to wander into the most extreme and pervasive scenarios you can think of, which would be uncomfortable for you, so best to never know they are gay. While we're at it, lets make it a rule.

So ultimately, at the root of the situation, it's not that you don't want to know they are gay, it's simply that not knowing is the only way that you won't in your mind know for certain that they are doing "abhorrent" things that make you feel uncomfortable.

It doesn't really have anything to do with them at all. For all you know they might be like most married couples, and not even be having sex. :lol:

 

[DAdams91982]

I never did, though; I told you that your point was valid, but he expressed himself like a juvenile, unable to see past his own bigotry. For your specific situation I cannot make inferences, but I have not been talking about your specific situation this entire time.

And assuming it is merely a difference in language is equally as short-sighted on your part. It is a cultural, geographical, political and social issue which has unfortunately - and annoyingly - been at the forefront of Canadian Politics for ages. There is actually a political party called the Bloc Quebecois who only lobbies for Francophone rights; who, despite the fact they are elected as part of the Canadian Legislature - and therein have been the official Opposition on one occasion - still lobby to separate from Canada; and, even more annoyingly, hold constituents who do not speak English. So, no, it is not merely a language issue, and it does relate: The amount of hostility created on both sides stems from a fundamental epistemological disagreement, which then produces ignorance like OB.

So, when I have been living in a situation my entire life that you have temporarily served in (not diminishing you at all - I have incredible respect for you), I feel comfortable in asserting my position.

I didn't comment one iota on your trials, i merely spit out one problem you face to validate your stance on those issues. I didn't need you to justify problems with a long winded speech. Like I said, I gave you that you are better versed in such.

You merely seemed condescending on your part. I said these are issues respective to ourselves. Not to much to differentiate from. Was OB right for speaking the way he did? No. But was he wrong? Nope. There is no right or wrong in this morality issue. It all has to do with what each individuals holds as belief. We are not going to change minds here, that is for sure.

Adams

 

[rubberring]

Haha... don't get mad cause I shot your idea into pieces.. you were comparing two completely different things.

Adams

Try not to be a dolt. Let me explain it in baby terms: Many straight guys watch blowjob/anal porn. What do you see most of the time? Close-up shots... where you can't even see the girl's face or even the rest of her body. With most anal sex scenes, you just see penis and rectum, for Christ's sake.

My point was that straight guys often say they're disgusted by the gay acts. There is something hypocritical about that... which again leads me to believe it is a hate/dislike issue.

Higher education is your friend.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

I didn't comment one iota on your trials, i merely spit out one problem you face to validate your stance on those issues. I didn't need you to justify problems with a long winded speech. Like I said, I gave you that you are better versed in such.

You merely seemed condescending on your part. I said these are issues respective to ourselves. Not to much to differentiate from. Was OB right for speaking the way he did? No. But was he wrong? Nope. There is no right or wrong in this morality issue. It all has to do with what each individuals holds as belief. We are not going to change minds here, that is for sure.

Adams

No condescendence was intended, and it's unfortunate you chose to take it that way. If you read above I offered the respect I have for you.

 

[Irish Cannon]

This all reminds me of what went down this summer...

I was in Boston with my bro and we stayed at the hostel in the Back Bay area. We had to room with four other guys, one of which was openly gay.

I'm laying down on the top-bunk and my brother is undressing before he hits the shower and I totally catch the dude peeping on my bro. He had his arm like over his face sort of looking like he was covering his eyes but I saw his little beady-eye staring him down. I just kinda laughed.

 

[DAdams91982]

We discuss them because they influence our children and our culture through immigration and the beauty of myspace, facebook, and various message boards and chatrooms.
In todays society they spend more time shaping the ideas and thoughts of our youth on average then parents do. Those kids grow up, and then they make the choice to serve their country. With you. That makes them more than relevant.


Whoa.
I thought this was all about being "openly gay", as in, a person not being able to say they are homosexual if they are a member of the armed forces.
I had no idea that cessation of that policy automatically meant Smith and Martinez were going to have Army approved rendesvous in the barracks.


It doesn't, but that's really the point isn't it? Once you know Smith and Martinez are gay, your mind is going to wander into the most extreme and pervasive scenarios you can think of, which would be uncomfortable for you, so best to never know they are gay. While we're at it, lets make it a rule.

So ultimately, at the root of the situation, it's not that you don't want to know they are gay, it's simply that not knowing is the only way that you won't in your mind know for certain that they are doing "abhorrent" things that make you feel uncomfortable.

It doesn't really have anything to do with them at all. For all you know they might be like most married couples, and not even be having sex. :lol:

Like I said, they can do what they want behind closed doors. The current policy doesn't even prevent them from that. Just means they can't tell other military members they are homosexual.

See my post about sleeping close quarters.

Adams

 

[DAdams91982]

Try not to be a dolt. Let me explain it in baby terms: Many straight guys watch blowjob/anal porn. What do you see most of the time? Close-up shots... where you can't even see the girl's face or even the rest of her body. With most anal sex scenes, you just see penis and rectum, for Christ's sake.

My point was that straight guys often say they're disgusted by the gay acts. There is something hypocritical about that... which again leads me to believe it is a hate/dislike issue.

Higher education is your friend.

There is nothing hypocritical about that... if you can't tell the difference from man and woman balloon knot, then you are watching the wrong porn.

And this is not a hate/dislike issue there freud. This is a beliefs issue... I dont hate gays, but I dont think it's right either.

Adams

 

[rubberring]

This all reminds me of what went down this summer...

I was in Boston with my bro and we stayed at the hostel in the Back Bay area. We had to room with four other guys, one of which was openly gay.

I'm laying down on the top-bunk and my brother is undressing before he hits the shower and I totally catch the dude peeping on my bro. He had his arm like over his face sort of looking like he was covering his eyes but I saw his little beady-eye staring him down. I just kinda laughed.

Yet we are on a bodybuilding forum, where conversations on the admiration of grown mens' body parts... while they're wearing bikini bottoms... is all the norm!

Gotta go guys... I'm heading to Target, and to tell that girly guy at Starbucks that I better understand him now!

 

[DAdams91982]

No condescendence was intended, and it's unfortunate you chose to take it that way. If you read above I offered the respect I have for you.

We both also know a lot of words can get misconstrued over the interweb, and I realized that after the follow up conversations from initial. i think mine came off wrong as well. You're my boy blue!!!

Adams

 

[Irish Cannon]

Try not to be a dolt. Let me explain it in baby terms: Many straight guys watch blowjob/anal porn. What do you see most of the time? Close-up shots... where you can't even see the girl's face or even the rest of her body. With most anal sex scenes, you just see penis and rectum, for Christ's sake.

My point was that straight guys often say they're disgusted by the gay acts. There is something hypocritical about that... which again leads me to believe it is a hate/dislike issue.

I hear ya on this. I've never really strongly desired to have anal sex with a chick, and I think it is a little odd when guys are infatuated with nailing a chick in the ass. Especially if they close their eyes. That's just odd. I'm not calling guys that like doing girls in the ass gay, but the infatuation of anal sex is a little...gay.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

We both also know a lot of words can get misconstrued over the interweb, and I realized that after the follow up conversations from initial. i think mine came off wrong as well. You're my boy blue!!!

Adams

Want to make out?








































:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

 

[DAdams91982]

Want to make out?

 

[Jayhawkk]

Like I said, they can do what they want behind closed doors. The current policy doesn't even prevent them from that. Just means they can't tell other military members they are homosexual.

Actually the acts are prohibited by US military law. They're even illegal between male and female.

 

[DAdams91982]

Actually the acts are prohibited by US military law. They're even illegal between male and female.

Lookin UCMJ right now, and see nothing about that.... In fact the sodomy article was repealed a few years ago.

Adams

 

[Jayhawkk]

If closing your eyes while having anal sex is gay, I wonder what being tied up, choked and beaten with wet leather makes you...

 

[Mulletsoldier]

Well, I feel my work here in this thread is done. In all honestly, I was only participating to gauge the opinions of Service Men towards gays, as to properly time my secret infiltration of the American Military as a Gay Ninja. My plan was to divide and conquer, and eventually spread my Gayninjaness (as we all know homosexuality is contagious); unfortunately, Outside Backer revealed my secret identity as a homosexual - egadz!

:rofl:

 

[Jayhawkk]

Which UCMJ are you looking at? As far as I know Article 125 still stands.

 

[DAdams91982]

Which UCMJ are you looking at? As far as I know Article 125 still stands.

I am looking in my enlisted force structure manual... I will see if I can find a current electronic copy.

Adams

 

[Jayhawkk]

I did find where they amended it due to Lawrence V Texas but the article still stands. It just requires more than just the act of sodomy itself.

That's if i'm reading it right...