is death certain? superdrol/halodrol/ultradrol/stanodrol

[sae2110]

Subbed for casket photos... I know nothing of PH use, but this thread is hilarious. Its like my ER patient with high blood pressure: Old Lady: "I couldnt get my BP down so I took all my pills." Me: "How many?" Old lady "I dont know I ran out of them" Me "...ah ****" Yep she was 60/30 haha

 

[abcman]

Subbed for casket photos... I know nothing of PH use, but this thread is hilarious. Its like my ER patient with high blood pressure: Old Lady: "I couldnt get my BP down so I took all my pills." Me: "How many?" Old lady "I dont know I ran out of them" Me "...ah ****" Yep she was 60/30 haha

welcome aboard :laugh2:

ill be sure to ask you for help if i run into bp problems doc

 

[LiveToLift]

I'll follow because I don't want to miss what ends up happening here...

 

[Dr.Stri8ed]

I'll follow because I don't want to miss what ends up happening here...

He's gonna turn into the Hulk and we're all gonna b poppin Superdrol and chasin em down with Jack Daniels haha.

 

[SuperPro]

He's gonna turn into the Hulk and we're all gonna b poppin Superdrol and chasin em down with Jack Daniels haha.

Sign me up bro I'm ready for the war

 

[trippy1995]

It's just a waste u can gain around 25lbs with sd alone I would save all those and run the seperatly In a period of time

 

[LiveToLift]

Have you ran sdrol before out of curiosity?

 

[abcman]

argh cant decide what i want to run, as to quesiton above no i have not. btw i will be following your sd/hdrol log, like i said im torn with what i want to do atm so thats an option.

 

[LiveToLift]

I'd strongly suggest starting at 10mg

 

[LiveToLift]

Mainly to gauge how you will react the stuff is no joke. My first run the headaches the first day off 10 mg almost had me quit the cycle...

 

[hardknock]

meh got the halodrol (2 x 50mg x 60ct) for 30 bucks, epi (1 x 18mg x 90ct) for 32 bucks, got alot of free superdrol. only expensive stuff is the stano and ultra. unless ultradrol is godlike i wont be buying it again.

btw sionce i got so many ppl coming in this thread may as well update you guys on my thinking, gunna do this as of now:

Cycle

SD 20/20/20/0/0/0/0/0
Epi 0/54/54/54/54/0/0/0
UD 0/0/0/0/24/24/24/24
Stano 1000 ED

Support Supplements

Hawthorn Berry (1130mg)
Aegis (250mg TUDCA/600mg PPC)
Taurine (3-10g)

Post Cycle

Nolva 20/20/10/10
D-pol (3 caps for 30 days)
Erase (3 caps for 30 days)

What I was saying was the look at the hindsight. If you toss all of this in there now, then what will you run next time and can you get your hands on more product of the same "quality". It's more than just monetary "pissing". I would just pick any two and be done with it. Most of us on the boards have gained impressive amounts of quality muscle with just 2 substances stacked. Of course, I have not ran a cycle in a few years but the point is the same.

 

[abcman]

What I was saying was the look at the hindsight. If you toss all of this in there now, then what will you run next time and can you get your hands on more product of the same "quality". It's more than just monetary "pissing". I would just pick any two and be done with it. Most of us on the boards have gained impressive amounts of quality muscle with just 2 substances stacked. Of course, I have not ran a cycle in a few years but the point is the same.

Understood brother. Just want to get some of my stock down. We'll see what I end up doing. Btw any1 know if stanodrol at 1000mg is in terms of liver toxicity?

 

[technique88]

Understood brother. Just want to get some of my stock down. We'll see what I end up doing. Btw any1 know if stanodrol at 1000mg is in terms of liver toxicity?

You're worried about stanodrol and liver toxicity?! Ha!

 

[Dr.Stri8ed]

Understood brother. Just want to get some of my stock down. We'll see what I end up doing. Btw any1 know if stanodrol at 1000mg is in terms of liver toxicity?

Lol nothing compared to methyls

 

[EasyEJL]

Idk if I cam afford to this cycle is running me 350 already. Erase will cover the cortisol.

thats one of the essential flaws of running a cycle like this on a budget. If you can't afford a good PCT, and can't afford to eat a good amount of solid whole food proteins and quality carbs then a lot of the money spent on the cycle is wasted.

 

[fueledpassion]

My friend, you need to buy some Test and stop all this nonsense. I know I know, u want to stay legal. Personally, I made the choice a while back to only use orals in moderation with injectibles.

You have a choice to make - To commit a crime against the State or to commit a crime against you body. Which will it be?

Staying "legal" is more harmful than going to injectibles, IME. Either way, Godspeed.

 

[StangBanger]

My friend, you need to buy some Test and stop all this nonsense. I know I know, u want to stay legal. Personally, I made the choice a while back to only use orals in moderation with injectibles.

You have a choice to make - To commit a crime against the State or to commit a crime against you body. Which will it be?

Staying "legal" is more harmful than going to injectibles, IME. Either way, Godspeed.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, but some of us have no source (not asking I know board rules)... if I could get it, I would drop orals!

 

[Dr.Stri8ed]

I wholeheartedly agree with you, but some of us have no source (not asking I know board rules)... if I could get it, I would drop orals!

I'm on my last oral cycle now.

 

[fueledpassion]

I'm on my last oral cycle now.

And for what its worth, orals NEVER increased my strength quite like underground gear did. Heck, I did all of my mass gaining the first 8 weeks then afterwards I just kept getting stronger and stronger, lol. It was nuts to walk in the gym 6 consecutive weeks increasing weights 5-10lbs each time.

 

[technique88]

I wholeheartedly agree with you, but some of us have no source (not asking I know board rules)... if I could get it, I would drop orals!

Do some thorough research...the internet is a very big place.

 

[Dr.Stri8ed]

And for what its worth, orals NEVER increased my strength quite like underground gear did. Heck, I did all of my mass gaining the first 8 weeks then afterwards I just kept getting stronger and stronger, lol. It was nuts to walk in the gym 6 consecutive weeks increasing weights 5-10lbs each time.

That's exactly what all my friends say too. 4 week oral cycles r too short, u need a longer period of time to solidify gains.

 

[fueledpassion]

That's exactly what all my friends say too. 4 week oral cycles r too short, u need a longer period of time to solidify gains.

Yes, I ended my cycle in the midst of making gains. That's something I cannot say for orals with the exception of Superdrol. I put on exactly 9lbs of muscle mass and dropped 1% BF in that 14 weeks I ran my cycle. Holding the vast majority of my strength and in some cases I'm still increasing in strength, such as OH Barbell Pressing 195 X 6 times! Geeze, I never thought the day would come!

 

[Dr.Stri8ed]

Yes, I ended my cycle in the midst of making gains. That's something I cannot say for orals with the exception of Superdrol. I put on exactly 9lbs of muscle mass and dropped 1% BF in that 14 weeks I ran my cycle. Holding the vast majority of my strength and in some cases I'm still increasing in strength, such as OH Barbell Pressing 195 X 6 times! Geeze, I never thought the day would come!

Yeah that's why I made this oral cycle 8 weeks.

 

[Gym.Eat.Sleep]

Subd cuz everyone else is doing it hah

 

[abcman]

Done with finals in 8 days, then cycle will be about a month and a half away, cant wait

 

[abcman]

Yeah that's why I made this oral cycle 8 weeks.

im hoping stanodrol at 1g a day for 8 weeks solidifies alot of my gains

 

[stankyleg]

Yeah that's why I made this oral cycle 8 weeks.

I think everything I do from here on will end with at least 2 weeks of stano, maybe 4 weeks.

 

[Dr.Stri8ed]

im hoping stanodrol at 1g a day for 8 weeks solidifies alot of my gains

Hopefully it will.

 

[allday54]

I'm not bashing ph's or juice at all. You say your 21??? Is your workout regime, and diet so bad that you can't get any natural gains from your own natural hormones? Come one man you should prolly get the basics of training down before you decide to take enough gear that would make a rhinos balls shrivel up. When you are young you can jerk off an get some gains. If you run all of these at once you'll regret it forever. Your penis will become a flacid useless wet noodle.

 

[abcman]

I'm not bashing ph's or juice at all. You say your 21??? Is your workout regime, and diet so bad that you can't get any natural gains from your own natural hormones? Come one man you should prolly get the basics of training down before you decide to take enough gear that would make a rhinos balls shrivel up. When you are young you can jerk off an get some gains. If you run all of these at once you'll regret it forever. Your penis will become a flacid useless wet noodle.

thats wat viagra is for

 

[fueledpassion]

I'm not bashing ph's or juice at all. You say your 21??? Is your workout regime, and diet so bad that you can't get any natural gains from your own natural hormones? Come one man you should prolly get the basics of training down before you decide to take enough gear that would make a rhinos balls shrivel up. When you are young you can jerk off an get some gains. If you run all of these at once you'll regret it forever. Your penis will become a flacid useless wet noodle.

For about 4-6 weeks tops. Even less if you have proper ancillaries and PCT products.

But 21 is a bit young. Granted, I think having experience in the gym and with a good diet are more important than age. But surely, no one younger than 21 has any business doing it.

 

[allday54]

thats wat viagra is for

I'm pretty sure they didn't invent Viagra for 21 yr old males cool guy.

 

[GreenEarth]

I just need to ask man - have you considered Ursodiol for your liver protection? I'm all for TUDCA, but damn...3 of your 4 compounds are methylated, and I would certainly worry about liver health during such a cycle.

 

[SPS]

I'm not bashing ph's or juice at all. You say your 21??? Is your workout regime, and diet so bad that you can't get any natural gains from your own natural hormones? Come one man you should prolly get the basics of training down before you decide to take enough gear that would make a rhinos balls shrivel up. When you are young you can jerk off an get some gains. If you run all of these at once you'll regret it forever. Your penis will become a flacid useless wet noodle.

I am all for responsible aas use but the hyperbole in your post is unnecessary. I think every person goes thru a phase where they think more is better. Then when the sides are terrible they discover that's not the case at all.

 

[abcman]

I just need to ask man - have you considered Ursodiol for your liver protection? I'm all for TUDCA, but damn...3 of your 4 compounds are methylated, and I would certainly worry about liver health during such a cycle.

tudca is essentially a taurine conjugated form of ursodiol. i think i read a study showing it to be slightly more effective actually then usordiol.

 

[SuperPro]

tudca is essentially a taurine conjugated form of ursodiol. i think i read a study showing it to be slightly more effective actually then usordiol.

I'd like to see this because when I tried to look up studies on TUDCA I couldn't find anything significant but finding UDCA studies was easy.

 

[abcman]

This is the study I skimmed over I think on my phone so can't see it cuz its pdf:

http://gut.bmj.com/content/38/3/439.full.pdf

 

[SuperPro]

This is the study I skimmed over I think on my phone so can't see it cuz its pdf:

http://gut.bmj.com/content/38/3/439.full.pdf

Nice, read over the abstract just now. Sounds pretty awesome from what I see there.

 

[abcman]

Nice, read over the abstract just now. Sounds pretty awesome from what I see there.

yeah pretty interesting study. I believe they will create a tudca version of ursodiol in the future for mass prescription use. I also found it interesting that there wasn't much if any difference in using TUDCA in 500mg, 1000mg, or 1500mg dosages, wish they studied 250mg. I think Aegis is a great product and at 2 caps a day (250mg TUDCA, 600mg PPC) that should cover any oral cycle.

 

[fueledpassion]

yeah pretty interesting study. I believe they will create a tudca version of ursodiol in the future for mass prescription use. I also found it interesting that there wasn't much if any difference in using TUDCA in 500mg, 1000mg, or 1500mg dosages, wish they studied 250mg. I think Aegis is a great product and at 2 caps a day (250mg TUDCA, 600mg PPC) that should cover any oral cycle.

Except that 500mg of TUDCA doesn't have any positive effects on Cholesterol, where 1000-1500mg/day likely does. There is another study where they compared UDCA to TUDCA. The only noticeable difference is that UDCA had positive effects of Cholesterol if taken for several weeks to months) and TUDCA did not have any effects of cholesterol at those doses. But for liver protection, TUDCA is just as effective if not more.

 

[EasyEJL]

interestingly for cholesterol protection/improvement, ursolic acid seems to be a winner

 

[abcman]

just buy some niacin or nicotinic acid if thats a problem of yours

 

[abcman]

guys i been reading alot on stanodrol it doesnt seem like its worth running at high dosages for so long. what do you think about running it at 600mg for the first 30 days since super is very low in terms of being androgenic. epi is better and ultradrol is pretty normal in terms of being androgenic. just wana use the stano to combat lethargy during sd.

 

[fueledpassion]

guys i been reading alot on stanodrol it doesnt seem like its worth running at high dosages for so long. what do you think about running it at 600mg for the first 30 days since super is very low in terms of being androgenic. epi is better and ultradrol is pretty normal in terms of being androgenic. just wana use the stano to combat lethargy during sd.

With an intoxicated liver comes lethargy as well so don't expect additional androgens to completely mitigate lethargy. People don't realize that a busted liver = loss of appetite and lethargy. Those are two things that are fairly common side-effects at 3-4 weeks in a SD cycle.

In fact, adding another oral androgen might speed up the process of liver intoxication, rather than thwart the lethargy.

 

[Slappy244]

This is not a cycle. This is a torture test on your liver. Superdrol alone has sent many people to the hospital within a few weeks with jaundice. You need to get control of yourself before you do some serious damage to your body and hormones. And remember, it's all fun and games 'til your junk stops workin'.

Jaundice?! you mean this stack will make you change color, just like the hulk?! Awesome!

 

[abcman]

With an intoxicated liver comes lethargy as well so don't expect additional androgens to completely mitigate lethargy. People don't realize that a busted liver = loss of appetite and lethargy. Those are two things that are fairly common side-effects at 3-4 weeks in a SD cycle.

so what do you think? running stano for first 30 days @600mg be good? plan on running sd for only the first 20 days at 20mg

 

[jbryand101b]

guys i been reading alot on stanodrol it doesnt seem like its worth running at high dosages for so long. what do you think about running it at 600mg for the first 30 days since super is very low in terms of being androgenic. epi is better and ultradrol is pretty normal in terms of being androgenic. just wana use the stano to combat lethargy during sd.

you seriously need to research more about androgens.

 

[abcman]

you seriously need to research more about androgens.

completely agree. trying to do my best to learn more about them.

 

[fueledpassion]

so what do you think? running stano for first 30 days @600mg be good? plan on running sd for only the first 20 days at 20mg

I'd say running Toco-8 would be a better option. If it's just for 20 days, what's the point anyways? Lethargy doesn't really kick in until about 3 weeks in anyways. Just run:

SD 20/20/20
Toco-8 1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1 (in scoops/day)
Fish oils ED
TUDCA 500/500/500/500/500

Start PCT in week 4 and let Toco-8, Fish oils and TUDCA transition to it.

If you can't gain what you want off SD then you either 1) have unrealistic expectations or 2) have no business taking it in the first place...or both

 

[abcman]

I'd say running Toco-8 would be a better option. If it's just for 20 days, what's the point anyways? Lethargy doesn't really kick in until about 3 weeks in anyways. Just run:

SD 20/20/20
Toco-8 1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1 (in scoops/day)
Fish oils ED
TUDCA 500/500/500/500/500

Start PCT in week 4 and let Toco-8, Fish oils and TUDCA transition to it.

If you can't gain what you want off SD then you either 1) have unrealistic expectations or 2) have no business taking it in the first place...or both

what i meant was im running sd from day 1-20, epi from day 8-37, ultra from day 27-56, stano from day 1-30.