i read some where that 4ad doesnt convert to test but just kinda works like it

[bigrich954rr]

is that true or does it turn into test after it brokening down

 

[jas123]

No, it's a testosterone precursor and a certain percentage is converted to test in the body.

 

[bigrich954rr]

No, it's a testosterone precursor and a certain percentage is converted to test in the body.

ok i was just asking i knew it was a precursor i just read some where that it not know if the anabolic act was though it converting to test or if it was a act of the 4ad itself i read it on this board some where when i was just clicking on some of the old threads

 

[jjjd]

there is some belief (pa believes this) that 4-ad has intrinsic action, in addition to its action when converted to test

 

[DR.D]

there is some belief (pa believes this) that 4-ad has intrinsic action, in addition to its action when converted to test

It's no belief, it's a proven. The intrinsic activity is very high, even higher andogenic effects that test. Most of the effects that you get from 4ad are just that. Very little of those effects come from test conversion.

 

[intv]

In this thread:http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15355 , SS's T levels are pretty high from 4-AD conversion. Of course, he was on a very high dose of pro-sust!

 

[DR.D]

Intv,

Your very right. My point is that you could achieve those same numbers on 500mg/wk of test enanthate, so even though conversion is 'relatively low' compared to the big dose, 4AD itself is doing most of the work here. 4AD and it's esters are at least 90% as anabolic as test and 100-150% as androgenic! It's not just on paper, I get the headaches bad from too much 4AD, so I tend to believe the numbers are true in this case. 4AD requires no conversion for activity. Even substances with no fuctional group at the 3 position shown good activity, so it's easy to understand why this is so.

 

[bigrich954rr]

thats what i was looking for thanks

 

[flava]

what do you guys think of stacking 4-ad with test?

 

[Grant]

I might try that, 1000mgs 4ad and 500 test cyp a week

 

[dickwootton]

hmm thats interesting...

 

[flava]

I might try that, 1000mgs 4ad and 500 test cyp a week

yeah that sounds like it could be an awesome bulk stack. im gonna run that come my next cycle in dec.

 

[DR.D]

I always do it now, half and half test and 4-ad. It works fine and saves on test a little.