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Deads
135x5
135x5
225x3
225x3
315x3
365x1
405x1
425x1
455x1
465x1 (PR)
475x1 (PR)

Standing Band Crunches/Unilateral Leg Press/Good Mornings
15/360x10/135x10
15/360x10/135x10
15/360x10/135x10
15/360x10/135x10

Fan-fraking-tastic session. Took my time to really set up and adjust today while warming-up on deads. The bar I was using had a different amount of slack to it and had a bit of different feel as a result. It wasn't a deadlift bar, though, so I couldn't use the whip to help my numbers. I honestly felt as though I could have done a bit more, but a 20# PR was enough to call it a day.
 
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Nice work man.
 
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In for your comeback! Welcome back! Get get get it!
 

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Exercise Physiology. The two main paths for this are S&C and clinical ex phys. I love S&C, but it's a very small market. Physical Therapy, however, is a growing market with a higher chance for success.
You picked S&C im assuming?
 
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Nice routine Rodja. Im doing a westside variation at the moment , and have done this routine in the past. Its a mix of both westside and bodybuilding. Its a really nice mix of the 2. If you want, i can post it and you and others can see it.
 
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Nice routine Rodja. Im doing a westside variation at the moment , and have done this routine in the past. Its a mix of both westside and bodybuilding. Its a really nice mix of the 2. If you want, i can post it and you and others can see it.

Yeah, it's always good to get a different opinion/variation.
 
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note: I cut the volume down a bit when running this (i.e. ME squat variant i do 2x5 instead of 4x5). Its very easy to adjust the volume if your recovery isnt great. I just cut a set out here and there where i feel its needed.

Day 1
- ME Day - upper

ME press variant - 1 x 3 100% ME, 2 x 3 >90% 3RM
weighted chinup 4 x 5-6
basic press variant - 3 x 5-6
Pendlay row - 4 x 5-6
lying extensions - 2 x 10-15 (rotate angles every 2-3 weeks)
laterals - 2 x 10-15

Recommended ME press variants = CGBP, RGBP, MedGBP, Low Incline BP (rotate every 1-3 weeks)
Recommended basic press variants = any angle DB press, any ME press variant, overhead presses - use this to cover "weak spots" in upper body "push" muscles, rotate as needed

Day 3 - ME Day - lower
ME GM/pull- 1 x 3 100% ME, 2 x 3 >90% 3RM
ME Squat variant - 4 x 5
reverse hypers - 3 x 8-12
ghetto GHR - 3 x 8-12
laterals - 2 x 10-15

ME GM/pulls = concentric GM, seated GM, DL from floor, rack pull, platform pull (rotate every 1-3 weeks)
Recommended ME squat variants = front squat, ATG, SSB, sumo, heels-touching, box squats (rotate as needed to keep knees happy)

Day 5 - RE Day - upper

RE main press - 3 x 8
BTN pullup - 4 x 8-12 (no extra weight...add "pause" at top to keep rep range)
RE press variant - 3 x 8
Yates rows - 4 x 8-12 (pauses at gut)
1-arm BB curls - 2 x 10-12
laterals - 2 x 10-15

Recommended RE Main Press - flat bench (YES!! THE KING!), decl DB, incl DB, flat DB, weighted dips (rotate as needed)
RE press variant - any RE main press, any basic press variant - use to improve weak points and maintain "forward progress" in training

Day 7 - RE Day - lower
RE squat - 5 x 8
RE GM/pull - 4 x 10
reverse hypers - 3 x 8-12
ghetto GHR - 3 x 8-12
laterals - 2 x 10-15

RE squat - any ME squat variation, *20-rep squats can be used here as well, but reduce # of sets

RE GM/pull - regular GM, sumo SLDL, conventional SLDL, RDL - pick your favorite

if you decide to use chains or especially bands for the various exercises for accomodating resistance, you will almost definitely NEED to reduce sets. If you need additional triceps work, you can add chains or bands to your bar presses as well. Chains/bands during squats will maintain direct tension on the quads throughout the range of motion.

Specific adaptations to each day:

ME Day - press = The ME exercise is a press that hits all 3 of the "push" muscle groups in the upper body (pecs, front delts and tris'). Maxing (even for a triple) with the basic "pectoral bench press" can give a lot of people problems, so the exercises selected are generally pretty easy on the shoulder joint overall. WS focuses heavily on triceps strength because they use bench shirts and want to get the highest bench possible. Since the average BB will not be using a shirt, the primary supplementary exercise will be a pectoral builder (and periodically an overhead press), although CGBP is an exercise of choice and is a triceps smoker.
The "basic press variant" can be any of the ME exercises, or a DB exercise of whichever angle makes you happy. Periodically, rotate in an overhead press here for supplementary work, especially if you feel your delts need more work.
Lat work includes a close grip chinup and a wide grip row, alternated with the presses. If you are in good enough shape to perform these exercises in an alternating (or supersetting) set fashion, then more power to you.

You finish the day with the best single-joint triceps exercise in existence (Rotate angle of the bench every few weeks to keep elbows happy) for higher reps (keeps the elbows happier) and cable laterals, which are done every day for 2 sets of 10+ reps. I experimented with this, and with all the heavy pressing and pulling, direct deltoid work ends up being unnecessary, with the exception of the lateral head. The cable reduces the drain on recovery and allows for a pretty direct stimulation.

ME Day - Lower - start off with a pull or a GM, both of which are very easily adapted for a max effort triple. This also ensures that a good emphasis is given to hamstrings and posterior chain, which are weak on damn near EVERYBODY. Next up is a squat variant, pick your poison, keep your knees happy. Reverse hypers and ghetto GHR finish off the posterior chain and hammies with "lighter" higher rep work as compared to the heavy pull or GM you started off with and, of course, the cable laterals for delts.

DE Days - these are changed to "RE days", which are essentially high rep days. I include the flat BP with higher reps, lower weight on press day, which shouldn't put anybody's shoulder into a coma, but really, you modify this to suit your needs. If you want to do inclines or whatever, then go for it. I won't be offended. Lat work includes a wide grip pullup and a close grip row. 20-rep squats can be included on the DE lower body day, but I wouldn't recommend doing 5 sets of them.
Hammie-specific exercise is next, then of course, reverse hypers and GHR.

Ghetto GHR are performed with heels underneath the knee-pads on the pulldown machine. Place your knees onto a movable flat bench, and using bodyweight (or weight, if you're a stud), lower yourself under control until you are parallel to the ground, then pull yourself back up. Layne Norton (aka str8flexed) has a nice video or two demonstrating this exercise. If you have a "real" GHR bench, then use that one if you like. Reverse hypers are done with the reverse hyper machine. If you don't have one, use a 45-degree hyper or a basic hyper, if that's all you have. Try to focus on your hamstrings here. Plate-heel pulls are a concentric-only exercise where you sit with your leg extended and use the heel of your foot to pull a plate toward you. Nice way to help hammies, no negative means low drain on recovery.
 
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Bench
Barx10
Barx10
135x8
138x8
185x5
225x3
245x1
275x0
275x1

Floor Press
225x5
225x5
225x5

Pin Press
225x5
245x5
275x1

Lat Pulldowns/Rope Pressdowns
180x12/60x15
200x12/60x15
220x12/65x15
220x12/65x10

A disappointing session and provides me with enough to tell me that I need to shift gears on my approach to my bench training. I need to really devote some time to the DE as I have never extensively done it and it'll help with overall time spent benching. My bench numbers make absolutely no sense to me other than just technical deficiencies. A slight adjustment to the template shall be coming next week.
 

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My bench have come along way with technique work and de work personally.
 
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I would like to see that if you have a link. I did a google search, but came up empty
I'm coming up empty right now, too. I think it was Joey Smith, but it appears I'm wrong. I'll keep searching for it because it's now driving me nuts.
 
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I'm coming up empty right now, too. I think it was Joey Smith, but it appears I'm wrong. I'll keep searching for it because it's now driving me nuts.
Please post that article. The workout routine looks very good.
I'm jumping into a modified 5x5 now but the west side programming has always made me stronger.


Nice work Rodja,
Always love reading your training logs.
 
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Speed Pulls (sumo)
275x3x10

Good Mornings
135x10
185x10
185x10
185x10

Uni LP/DB Side Bends
360x10/90x10
410x10/90x10
450x10/90x10

Hanging Leg Raises
BWx10x3

Decided to test out the adductor tonight and it went pretty well. My stance was more of a moderate stance than a Vogelpohl type stance. It took me a couple of warm-up sets to re-establish the technique as I've pulled sumo twice this year. Session went smoothly after I got going until I got home and had the nastiest hamstring cramp of my life, which made no sense to me. The session wasn't particularly taxing and I wasn't dehydrated, but the damn thing locked up. No soreness or anything like that today, though.
 
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Floor Press
Barx10
Barx10
135x5
135x5
185x5
225x3
245x2
255x1
265x1
275x1

Bench
135x3
185x3
225x8
225x7

JM Press
185x12
195x10
195x9
205x9

Bent DB Rows
120x10x3

DB Shrugs/Side Laterals
90x12/30x12
100x12/35x12
100x12/35x12-drop-20x12

A bit of a shift from my proposed template. I'm trying out a conjugate ME with 5/3/1 as the supplemental lift for upper body. On the "1" week, it will be the ME and the supplemental lift will be rotated. Today felt good, though, as I tied my floor press PR and then felt "locked in" for my benching and really focused on my lats and leg drive. Another thing that I have changed is the actual structure of my template. I waas previously having my ME upper the day after doing deadlifts, which drained not only my CNS, but really reduced my leg drive.
 
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Traditional Deads

135x5
135x5
225x3
225x3
315x3
365x1
405x1
455x1
475x1
480x1 PR

Reverse Hypers/Standing Crunches (Doubled mini/short monster mini)
150x12/15
170x10/15
170x10/15
190x10/15

GHR
BWx15
BW+35x12
BW+35x12
BW+45x12
 
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DE Bench (short minis)
135x3x9 (3 grips)

OHP
145x7
135x10+5 (push-press)

Lat Pulldowns/Pullaparts (light)
220x12/15
240x10/15
240x10/15

Pressdowns/DB Curls
100x15/45x8
110x12/45x8
110x15/45x8

Quick DE bench session with OHP added. I haven't done speed bench in awhile, especially with bands, so I made sure to warm up well before I moved onto the working sets. My main concern is to really work on my leg drive because it is inconsistent and I've been making a major effort to work that along with taking a day off between ME lower body and DE upper body.
 
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Speed Sumo (short mini)
275x2x9

Front Squats
185x5x3

Lying Leg Curls
150x15x3

Ab Wheel
BWx10x3

25 minutes cardio (elliptical)

Felt really good going into today. Getting my ROM back in my thighs and focusing on doing hip mobility drills throughout the day to keep everything nice and loose. Tried a different approach to setting up my sumo pulls and it seems to give more power off of the floor, but I won't know for sure until I decide I'm ready to go ME on it, which won't be for awhile. My weight was up to 235 about 6 weeks ago, but I'm down to 217ish with my numbers just as high.
 
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2-Board Bench
Barx8
Barx8
135x5
135x5
185x5
205x3
225x5 (added 2-board)
245x3
275x6
295x3 PR

Bench
225x6
245x3

DB Rows
145x10
145x20 PR

Lat Pulldowns/Rear Flys
200x10/30x10
200x10/30x10
200x10/30x10

First time that I've done 2-board in awhile and I did much better than I expected. I was hoping to get 275x3 and blew that out of the water. One thing that I'm going to need to do is to give my wrists some time to adapt to using weights that heavy on this frequent of a basis. I'll probably need some new wraps as well since my current ones are beat to hell and the stiffness has weakened over the past 18 months since I've had them.
 
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Suspended Sumo Good Mornings
Barx5
Barx5
145x5
145x5
195x3
215x3
235x3
255x1
265x1
275x1
285x1
295x1 PR

Leg Press (total plates)
12x12
14x12
16x12
18x10

Hypers/Standing Band Crunches (doubled mini, short monster)
BW+90x12/12
BW+135x12/12
BW+135x12-drop-BW+45x12/12

It's been awhile since I've done suspended GM and the first time that I've done them with a sumo stance. I'm trying to slowly condition my adductors to start reincorporating sumo deads back into my routine on a normal basis (probably every 3rd or 4th week). I've already noticed a huge difference in my back and hip health since I made these adjustments over the past couple of weeks.

Also, I've been thinking about picking up some briefs to add into my training, but haven't looked into gear and don't really know where to begin.
 
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DE Bench (monster minis)
135x2x9 (3 grips)

OHP
160x5
140x12 PR

Pullups/Facepulls
BWx6/160x15
BWx6/160x15
BWx6/160x15
BWx6/160x15

Tate Press/DB Shrugs/Hammer Curls
45x10/90x12/45x10
45x10/95x12/45x10
45x10/100x9/45x10

It's kinda funny, but my first several attempts at Westside really sucked. My shoulders would get really irritated and my numbers would stall out. However, in retrospect, it was due to a lack of proper structure on my end. Now that I've been around and talked to more people about how they organize their waves, I feel like I am properly equipped this time. DE Bench felt really good and smooth and I made sure to pause at the bottom and really drive with my legs while pushing myself into the bench. It still has a long way to go, but my technique is getting better by the session.
 
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Nice OHP PR. Glad things seem to be going smoother now. So are squats the next lift after GM on ME days?
 
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Nice PR man!
Those speed DE speed benches look really challenging. I feel my CNS kinda go on vacation after set 5 when I do them. Nice work!
 
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Nice OHP PR. Glad things seem to be going smoother now. So are squats the next lift after GM on ME days?
In theory, yes, but I'm still a bot weary of full squats right now bc of the strain from a few weeks back. I'm thinking about doing box squats at or slightly bellow parallel to test the waters.
 
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Box Squat (slightly below parallel)
235x2x9

SLDL
235x10
255x10
275x10

Uni LP (plates per side)/Standing Crunches (doubled mini, short monster mini)
4x15/15
6x12/15
8x12/15
10x10/15

Ab Wheel
10, 10, 9

Everything felt pretty good on this day. I didn't go too crazy with the weight bc the box was a little lower than I would have liked, but made due with it.
 
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Bench
Barx10
Barx10
135x5
135x5
185x3
205x3
225x1
245x1
255x1
275x1
285x1

DB Bench
90x8
100x6
100x6

Pressdowns/Side Laterals
100x15/30x15
110x15/35x12
120x10/40x10
120x10-drop-80x8/40x10-drop-25x12

I did a really smart, yet painful, thing for this day. I, like many lifters, have nagging and creaky shoulders. My particular issue is impingement of the bicep tendon and is a constant pain in the ass. I didn't want to go into this bench session worrying about it, so I applied some capsaicin to the area. It hurt like hell once I started to sweat it out, but the entire area was nice and loose. Bench went really well and I think I'm starting to break through my mental barrier with it...finally. I'm still undecided on my ME for Friday as my thighs have been tight since Tuesday morning and I'm not sure if it's time to really squat. I might go with Oly squats since they put less strain on the adductors.
 
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Bench
Barx10
Barx10
135x5
135x5
185x3
205x3
225x1
245x1
255x1
275x1
285x1

DB Bench
90x8
100x6
100x6

Pressdowns/Side Laterals
100x15/30x15
110x15/35x12
120x10/40x10
120x10-drop-80x8/40x10-drop-25x12

I did a really smart, yet painful, thing for this day. I, like many lifters, have nagging and creaky shoulders. My particular issue is impingement of the bicep tendon and is a constant pain in the ass. I didn't want to go into this bench session worrying about it, so I applied some capsaicin to the area. It hurt like hell once I started to sweat it out, but the entire area was nice and loose. Bench went really well and I think I'm starting to break through my mental barrier with it...finally. I'm still undecided on my ME for Friday as my thighs have been tight since Tuesday morning and I'm not sure if it's time to really squat. I might go with Oly squats since they put less strain on the adductors.
I might have a similar issue, actually, regarding that bicep/shoulder area. And it's always hard to say whether it's my form being bad periodically that's affecting it presently, or if my periodically bad form is a result of that issue and is just my body's attempt at moving around the pain. Anyways, would icyhot before lifting be as effective or should I go out and get some
capsaicin cream?
 
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I might have a similar issue, actually, regarding that bicep/shoulder area. And it's always hard to say whether it's my form being bad periodically that's affecting it presently, or if my periodically bad form is a result of that issue and is just my body's attempt at moving around the pain. Anyways, would icyhot before lifting be as effective or should I go out and get some
capsaicin cream?
Any topical analgesic should help.
 
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Bench (monster mini)
155x1x6

OHP
193x1 PR
145x12 PR

Rolling Ex/Side Laterals
30x15/30x15
35x12/35x12
35x12/35x12

Prone Rear Flys
25x12
25x12
25x12

Caught a stomach bug on Wednesday night, so I had to scrap my ME lower on Friday. Scaled back on volume on this day and mainly did assistance lifts that have less overall strain, but still hit some PRs on OHP. I still feel like I'm hitting a groove again even though I skipped my ME session and that was due to a fluke bug and not an injury.
 
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Bench (monster mini)
155x1x6

OHP
193x1 PR
145x12 PR

Rolling Ex/Side Laterals
30x15/30x15
35x12/35x12
35x12/35x12

Prone Rear Flys
25x12
25x12
25x12

Caught a stomach bug on Wednesday night, so I had to scrap my ME lower on Friday. Scaled back on volume on this day and mainly did assistance lifts that have less overall strain, but still hit some PRs on OHP. I still feel like I'm hitting a groove again even though I skipped my ME session and that was due to a fluke bug and not an injury.
Looks like you got another good session in the books. Hit the ME low day hard and strong this week. :)
 

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why is you de percentage so high and the volume low?
 
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Box Squat (parallel)
245x2x9

Good Morning/Standing Crunches (2 short monster mini)
185x12/12
205x10/12
205x10/12

Uni Leg Press (plates per side)
4x15
4+25x12
5x12
5x12

Felt pretty good on this day. Hips are getting a little tight, but that's mainly from me being lazy and not doing my pre-hab as diligently as I need to be. I played with my squat stance by going about 3-4" more narrow per side and my foot also straighter. I felt like I could push out on my knees more without feeling any strain in my groin, which has been a plague for me for over a year now.
 
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Have you tried doing shoulder dislocations to treat your bicep tendonitis problem emanating from your shoulder on bench days? I use to do them and had the best time benching for months, but I've since slacked off and now I've been having it pretty badly.

I guess everyone prescribes different ways to do them. One of my favorite ones, although inconvenient, was the way Dante recommended doing them. http://www.intensemuscle.com/showthread.php?t=6997 Why his can be inconvenient is you have to do it outside of a pressing day, so either a complete day before, or the day after; not the night before, right after the workout, or the evening after the workout. But it's also good because if you happen to screw up even a little bit, it wont affect your pressing movement since you won't be performing it right after doign the shoulder dislocation.
 
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Not sure he describes a "dislocation" as this seems to be more of a rotator cuff stretch, but hell i'm going to start doing these now. Good for flexibility I imagine....
 
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Not sure he describes a "dislocation" as this seems to be more of a rotator cuff stretch, but hell i'm going to start doing these now. Good for flexibility I imagine....
Right. There are all sorts of terms for this I imagine, like many other things, it's just what they're called on Stronglifts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33P5AI27eiU&feature=player_embedded

He describes that but at only half the range of motion. And it's all you really need.
 
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Have you tried doing shoulder dislocations to treat your bicep tendonitis problem emanating from your shoulder on bench days? I use to do them and had the best time benching for months, but I've since slacked off and now I've been having it pretty badly.

I guess everyone prescribes different ways to do them. One of my favorite ones, although inconvenient, was the way Dante recommended doing them. http://www.intensemuscle.com/showthread.php?t=6997 Why his can be inconvenient is you have to do it outside of a pressing day, so either a complete day before, or the day after; not the night before, right after the workout, or the evening after the workout. But it's also good because if you happen to screw up even a little bit, it wont affect your pressing movement since you won't be performing it right after doign the shoulder dislocation.
They're actually part of my warm-up routine along with some facepulls and supinated side raises.
 
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They're actually part of my warm-up routine along with some facepulls and supinated side raises.
I imagined so but thought it was worth throwing out there just in case. I actually started having to do these again, for all things, squatting. Kept having this intense elbow pain and never thought to associate it with a stiff T-spine and shoulders.
 
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I imagined so but thought it was worth throwing out there just in case. I actually started having to do these again, for all things, squatting. Kept having this intense elbow pain and never thought to associate it with a stiff T-spine and shoulders.
I've (knock on wood) never had to deal with elbow pain. I did strain a forearm extensor once, but it didn't effect squats or presses.
 
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Floor Press
Barx5
Barx5
135x5
135x5
185x5
205x3
225x3
240x1
250x1
260x1
280x1 PR

Incline DB Press
75x15
85x10

Flat DB Press
85x8

DB Shrugs/Pullaparts
90x20/15
100x15/15
100x15/15
100x15/15

Facepulls
70x15
70x15

Still going smoothly with everything. Decided to work more on my chest and traps for assistance and did a something that I got from Mark Bell. I did a max set of incline DB, waited a few minutes, and then a max set of flat DB. I guess I exhausted myself because I got more on incline that flat. My traps and grip are also getting much better as my numbers on this day were all PRs and I'm finally not limited by my grip on DB shrugs.
 

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Nice shrugs, I really need to do more direct upper trap work.
 
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They're actually part of my warm-up routine along with some facepulls and supinated side raises.
I imagined so but thought it was worth throwing out there just in case. I actually started having to do these again, for all things, squatting. Kept having this intense elbow pain and never thought to associate it with a stiff T-spine and shoulders.
I discovered this little fact about two months ago...couldn't figure out why I had bad left elbow pain, thought I had bursitis or a cracked olecranon. Once I quit the BB squats and changed to just leg press/front squats, no more elbow pain 2 months later. Going to have to put this into my warm up routine...thanks for the idea folks
 
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Nice shrugs, I really need to do more direct upper trap work.
I'm going to shift my focus to my chest, traps, and shoulders, which are definitely weak in comparison to my lats and triceps. I tended to somewhat neglected them for awhile.
 

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All my focus is in my mid/upper back, delts, triceps. Not much chest or upper trap. What carryover do these groups have in the big three?
 
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Sumo Deads
135x5
135x5
225x3
225x3
275x3
315x2
365x1
405x1
425x1
445x1
475x1
495x1 PR
505x1 PR

Standing Band Crunches (average)/DB Side Bends
15/90x10
15/90x10
15/90x10

I finally, FINALLY broke the 5 plate barrier on deads and, to top it off, I added another 10# and still got it. My work over the past few months on conventional stance has carried over to my sumo pulling, which I haven't done for an ME since January.
 
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Nice !!!!! ;-)
 
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Speed Bench
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OHP
160x5
140x12

Tate Press/Rear Fly
40x12/40x10
40x12/40x10
40x12/40x10

Cambered Curls/Side Laterals
95x10/40x15
95x10-drop-75x8/40x15-drop-25x15

Speed bench is starting to piss of my shoulder, so I'm going to switch to some RE for a week or two and hope that it starts to subside. Other than that, everything has been really damn good lately.
 
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