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Agreed the feeling has subsided as of late. I find after i dose my appetite increases with an intensity most of the time. SO if i dose later i have less hours to meet my 7 meal a day goal. SO far im 5 of 6 days. Heres to the best.:head: :dance: :D
 
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hey bulldog you notice any mental alertness changes, like disorientation, or lack of attention. I notice it sometimes when im sitting still or driving i kinda zone out per se.
whaT time do you dose, i dose with my first meal and it s working better than later in the day.
Yes I have noticed and logged this when I have something to focus on I am zoned right in on it but sometimes I will sort of drift when I have nothing to focus on. Sort of what one might expect from something like Ritalin (sp?)
 

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Leg night tonight. Pretty uneventful workout. Poundages were up, but nothing dramatic. Went early so I could try to get a full night's sleep. Gym was crowded as ****......Grrrrrr......I hate that crap.

When I win the lottey the first thing I'm gonna do is build an enormous commercial gym.......for just me and my friends to use. You guys are all invited :p
 

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Well tonight is supposed to be shoulder night.......BUT.......I'm putting off tonight's workout until tomorrow. Felt real sick this morning at work around 10:30am.....didn't need to go home, but was nauseated for about 15 mins and felt a little shaky/fuzzy. Had to skip lunch because I didn't feel like eating. Actually I haven't had much of an appetite today at all. My cals have gone to **** today.

I feel better, but I'm still gonna give myself the night off. Don't wanna push it in case I may be coming down with something. I am a little hungry now so I'm gonna make something to eat......I need the calories.

My ankle is killing me tonight too......it's gotten progressively worse over the past 2 days. So I'm gonna pop a couple percocet and get off it for a bit.

I'm hoping that all I need is some rest and a little break tonight. As long as I feel okay in the morning, I plan on going to the gym and doing my shoulder workout tomorrow night.

I don't think the sick feeling had anything to do with the H-50. Probably just a temporary bug/24hr sort of thing. Hell it could even have been breakfast that did it to me......the food at work isn't exactly world class cuisine.

Muscles still feel good, but I am dying to get back to the gym and get some blood pumped into them!!!

Okay sorry about all the whining, lol :whiner:

Hopefully I'll be back soon with my next gym report.
 
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I think my friend you are experiencing hypoglycemia, as grunt76 advised me on my thread. The other day i all of the sudden felt dizzy, nauseaous, unsteady and tired and weak. I ate and felt better. Users report SD and halo are quite agressive and suck up the carbs. Im goona eat more but i am already eating 6-8 meals a day so hopefully i can resolve it.
Im sure others will tell you not eating is not the cure. I had 1/2 a cup of coffee and felt like it feels to OD on ephedrine,or caffeine but hypoglycemia makes alot more sense.

Well tonight is supposed to be shoulder night.......BUT.......I'm putting off tonight's workout until tomorrow. Felt real sick this morning at work around 10:30am.....didn't need to go home, but was nauseated for about 15 mins and felt a little shaky/fuzzy. Had to skip lunch because I didn't feel like eating. Actually I haven't had much of an appetite today at all. My cals have gone to **** today.

I feel better, but I'm still gonna give myself the night off. Don't wanna push it in case I may be coming down with something. I am a little hungry now so I'm gonna make something to eat......I need the calories.

My ankle is killing me tonight too......it's gotten progressively worse over the past 2 days. So I'm gonna pop a couple percocet and get off it for a bit.

I'm hoping that all I need is some rest and a little break tonight. As long as I feel okay in the morning, I plan on going to the gym and doing my shoulder workout tomorrow night.

I don't think the sick feeling had anything to do with the H-50. Probably just a temporary bug/24hr sort of thing. Hell it could even have been breakfast that did it to me......the food at work isn't exactly world class cuisine.

Muscles still feel good, but I am dying to get back to the gym and get some blood pumped into them!!!

Okay sorry about all the whining, lol :whiner:

Hopefully I'll be back soon with my next gym report.
 
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heres some info.
Hypoglycemia in People Who Do Not Have Diabetes
Two types of hypoglycemia can occur in people who do not have diabetes: reactive (postprandial, or after meals) and fasting (postabsorptive). Reactive hypoglycemia is not usually related to any underlying disease; fasting hypoglycemia often is.

Symptoms
Symptoms of both types resemble the symptoms that people with diabetes and hypoglycemia experience: hunger, nervousness, perspiration, shakiness, dizziness, light-headedness, sleepiness, confusion, difficulty speaking, and feeling anxious or weak.

If you are diagnosed with hypoglycemia, your doctor will try to find the cause by using laboratory tests to measure blood glucose, insulin, and other chemicals that play a part in the body's use of energy.

Reactive Hypoglycemia
In reactive hypoglycemia, symptoms appear within 4 hours after you eat a meal.

Diagnosis
To diagnose reactive hypoglycemia, your doctor may

ask you about signs and symptoms

test your blood glucose while you are having symptoms (The doctor will take a blood sample from your arm and send it to a laboratory for analysis. A personal blood glucose monitor cannot be used to diagnose reactive hypoglycemia.)

check to see whether your symptoms ease after your blood glucose returns to 70 or above (after eating or drinking)
A blood glucose level of less than 70 mg/dL at the time of symptoms and relief after eating will confirm the diagnosis.

The oral glucose tolerance test is no longer used to diagnose hypoglycemia; experts now know that the test can actually trigger hypoglycemic symptoms.

Causes and Treatment
The causes of most cases of reactive hypoglycemia are still open to debate. Some researchers suggest that certain people may be more sensitive to the body's normal release of the hormone epinephrine, which causes many of the symptoms of hypoglycemia. Others believe that deficiencies in glucagon secretion might lead to hypoglycemia.

A few causes of reactive hypoglycemia are certain, but they are uncommon. Gastric (stomach) surgery, for instance, can cause hypoglycemia because of the rapid passage of food into the small intestine. Also, rare enzyme deficiencies diagnosed early in life, such as hereditary fructose intolerance, may cause reactive hypoglycemia.

To relieve reactive hypoglycemia, some health professionals recommend taking the following steps:

eat small meals and snacks about every 3 hours

exercise regularly

eat a variety of foods, including meat, poultry, fish, or nonmeat sources of protein; starchy foods such as whole-grain bread, rice, and potatoes; fruits; vegetables; and dairy products

choose high-fiber foods

avoid or limit foods high in sugar, especially on an empty stomach
Your doctor can refer you to a registered dietitian for personalized meal planning advice. Although some health professionals recommend a diet high in protein and low in carbohydrates, studies have not proven the effectiveness of this kind of diet for reactive hypoglycemia.

Fasting Hypoglycemia
Diagnosis
Fasting hypoglycemia is diagnosed from a blood sample that shows a blood glucose level of less than 50 mg/dL after an overnight fast, between meals, or after exercise.

Causes and Treatment
Causes include certain medications, alcohol, critical illnesses, hormonal deficiencies, some kinds of tumors, and certain conditions occurring in infancy and childhood.

Medications
Medications, including some used to treat diabetes, are the most common cause of hypoglycemia. Other medications that can cause hypoglycemia include

salicylates, including aspirin, when taken in large doses

sulfa medicines, which are used to treat infections

pentamidine, which treats a very serious kind of pneumonia

quinine, which is used to treat malaria
If using any of these medications causes your blood glucose to drop, your doctor may advise you to stop using the drug or change the dosage.

Alcohol
Drinking, especially binge drinking, can cause hypoglycemia because your body's breakdown of alcohol interferes with your liver's efforts to raise blood glucose. Hypoglycemia caused by excessive drinking can be very serious and even fatal.

Critical Illnesses
Some illnesses that affect the liver, heart, or kidneys can cause hypoglycemia. Sepsis (overwhelming infection) and starvation are other causes of hypoglycemia. In these cases, treatment targets the underlying cause.

Hormonal Deficiencies
Hormonal deficiencies may cause hypoglycemia in very young children, but usually not in adults. Shortages of cortisol, growth hormone, glucagon, or epinephrine can lead to fasting hypoglycemia. Laboratory tests for hormone levels will determine a diagnosis and treatment. Hormone replacement therapy may be advised.

Tumors
Insulinomas, insulin-producing tumors, can cause hypoglycemia by raising your insulin levels too high in relation to your blood glucose level. These tumors are very rare and do not normally spread to other parts of the body. Laboratory tests can pinpoint the exact cause. Treatment involves both short-term steps to correct the hypoglycemia and medical or surgical measures to remove the tumor.

Conditions Occurring in Infancy and Childhood
Children rarely develop hypoglycemia. If they do, causes may include

Brief intolerance to fasting, often in conjunction with an illness that disturbs regular eating patterns. Children usually outgrow this tendency by age 10.

Hyperinsulinism, which is the excessive production of insulin. This condition can result in transient neonatal hypoglycemia, which is common in infants of mothers with diabetes. Persistent hyperinsulinism in infants or children is a complex disorder that requires prompt evaluation and treatment by a specialist.

Enzyme deficiencies that affect carbohydrate metabolism. These deficiencies can interfere with the body's ability to process natural sugars, such as fructose and galactose, glycogen, or other metabolites.

Hormonal deficiencies such as lack of pituitary or adrenal hormones.
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Hope Through Research
The National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) was established by Congress in 1950 as one of the National Institutes of Health under the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The NIDDK conducts and supports research in diabetes, glucose metabolism, and related conditions. Researchers supported by NIDDK are investigating topics such as

What are the causes of hypoglycemia?

Can islet cell transplantation eliminate hypoglycemia?

Can laparoscopy (a surgical procedure) be used to find and remove insulinomas (insulin-producing tumors)?

Do new frequent-glucose-monitoring devices help prevent hypoglycemia?

Why do repeated episodes of hypoglycemia lead to loss of awareness of hypoglycemia symptoms?
A complete listing of clinical research studies can be found at http://ClinicalTrials.gov on the Internet.

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Points to Remember
Diabetes-Related Hypoglycemia
If you think your blood glucose is low, check it and treat the problem right away.

To treat hypoglycemia, have a serving of a quick-fix food, wait 15 minutes, and check your blood glucose. Repeat the treatment until your blood glucose is above 70.

Keep quick-fix foods in the car, at work—anywhere you spend time.

Be careful when you are driving. Check your blood glucose frequently and snack as needed to keep your level above 70 mg/dL.
Hypoglycemia Unrelated to Diabetes
In reactive hypoglycemia, symptoms occur within 4 hours of eating. People with this condition are usually advised to follow a healthy eating plan recommended by a registered dietitian.

Fasting hypoglycemia can be caused by certain medications, critical illnesses, hereditary enzyme or hormonal deficiencies, and some kinds of tumors. Treatment targets the underlying problem.
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Hey SomeWhat.....thanks for the info bro :) Sounds very close to what I experienced. I am eating like a friggin bear though....and I had just consumed a good bit of carbs a couple hours before at breakfast. The only thing I did that I usually don't do is......I had a pretty good sized cup of coffee this morning to give me a little jolt as I was feeling tired. I've all but completely eliminated caffeine from my diet, so maybe that had somehting to do with it too......I am pretty damn sensitive to caffeine now that I hardly ever ingest it anymore.

BTW.....I've noticed that my libido has gone from high/normal to pretty damn low. Novedex XT to blame?? Thats the only thing that has changed this week. Anyway.....I'm taking some Trib to help even things back out. Can't let the wife down, lol......although she may need the rest, lol.
 
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Hey SomeWhat.....thanks for the info bro :) Sounds very close to what I experienced. I am eating like a friggin bear though....and I had just consumed a good bit of carbs a couple hours before at breakfast. The only thing I did that I usually don't do is......I had a pretty good sized cup of coffee this morning to give me a little jolt as I was feeling tired. I've all but completely eliminated caffeine from my diet, so maybe that had somehting to do with it too......I am pretty damn sensitive to caffeine now that I hardly ever ingest it anymore.

BTW.....I've noticed that my libido has gone from high/normal to pretty damn low. Novedex XT to blame?? Thats the only thing that has changed this week. Anyway.....I'm taking some Trib to help even things back out. Can't let the wife down, lol......although she may need the rest, lol.
Right now im only on halo and my libido is down a bit, also i had half a steeped tea two days ago on a relatively empty stomach and it felt like a caffeine, ephedrine overdose, until i ate again. I think this stuff causes increased sensitivity to stimulants * BEWARE HALODROL CAUSES INCREASED SENSITIVITY TO STIMULANTS, LOL*
CAn anyone else verify this?:wtf:
 

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Okay so today is Day 19 on this stack.

Still felt a little under the weather today, but not bad enough to keep me out of the gym.

Ran through my shoulder routine today, which is one of my favorite workout days. I remember when I absolutely hated doing Military Presses.....now they're one of my favorite excercises.....funny how that works out huh?

Anyway.....my delts feel like cannonballs now. Poundages were up on a few of my lifts....even though I wasn't feeling 100% better today. Military press was up 10lbs and a few reps. And BB shrugs were up 20 lbs and a few reps.

My appetite still hasn't bounced back all the way, but I am forcing myself to eat and downing a protein shake or two also. I need the cals bad.

Okay so as far as a general opinion of this stack goes.......I think it's great. You have to be patient though. That is KEY!! You get good, strong, lean gains....but they come gradually. Don't expect explosive gains. I know everybody is different, but for me personally.....I didn't start getting real noticeable results until week two......and now towards the end of week three....I can say that the gains are really coming on strong. I'm looking forward to seeing what week four will have in store.

And as far as visible sides go......non-existant. The only thing that has changed has been the libido drop, but I really think thats because of the Novedex XT, and not because of the H50 or the Orastan. It's not that bad either.....I take two trib caps and that seems to help quite a bit.

All in all.....this has been a GREAT cycle so far!! :D
 
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I concur on the muscle hardness, my shoulders also fell like cannon balls and that feeling sticks with you throughout the cycle, I also agree with you assumption about the Novedex as I have not experienced a drop in libido without it.
 

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Day 21 on cycle.

Today was a rest day. Yesterday was my back/bi day in the gym. I waited until I was good and rested on Sat afternoon to go in and work out.

I was feeling a little sleepy, so I took a couple trib caps before I went in. If you remember...I've been taking the trib to help with the libido loss from the Novedex. Well the trib I take is Blue Rhino from Controlled Labs. It also has a stimulant in it as well.....natural caffeine, etc. I've more or less eliminated caffeine from my diet, so I am a little hypersensitive to it.....I'm not taking the Blue Rhino everyday either. Dude....I was JACKED in the gym. I actually felt really full of energy....I had a awesome workout.

Now as far as the H-50 goes......WOW. Thats all I can say. My poundages are up on everything.....I felt strong as ****. My wife went to the gym with me.....she hasn't been in about 2 and a half months, because she's been sick or busy. SO she hasn't seen me working out in a while. She said she could hardly believe her eyes. Said I looked huge to her!!!

Looks like I've put about a half inch onto my arms now......and thats while losing body fat.

Week 3 on this stuff has been awesome. I feel like a BEAST!! I have nine days left on this cycle and I can't wait to see how the rest of it goes. After that I'll be taking a little while off from prohormones. I wanna cut down some of the body fat I have so you can see all the new muscle I've built. After that (at least 6-8 weeks or more) I may run either a SD/Prostan cycle or Pheraplex/Prostan cycle.

I really like stacking with Prostanozol (Orastan-E). By itself....you don't see a whole lot going on. But stacked with another PH you see really dry, hard, lean gains. Definitely a winning combo :D
 

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Well tonight is supposed to be a chest/tri workout night. I actually think I'm going to take tonight as a rest night too. I have a really bad headache and I feel tired. Work just drains me man. I used to work in blue collar/labor type jobs.....they kept me active. Then I went back to school and landed an office job. Working in a damn cubicle in front of a PC all day sucks man. I mean I make good money...have great benefits, etc......but Jesus.....I feel like I sit there and it just sucks the damn life outta me every day. People weren't meant to be so damn sedentary.

I didn't make **** for money when I was a laborer, but at least I was moving around and didn't have to work quite as hard to stay in shape.

Anyway....back to muscle talk. I have some soreness in my biceps from Saturdays workout. It's not bad....just feels like I worked my ass off, which I did :D So based on how hard I worked on Sat.....I don't feel too bad about postponing tonight's workout. Besides, I like to take my chest workout super serious.....so I wanna be able to give it 100%. Not gonna be able to do that with a pounding headache and feeling tired......so tomorrow night it'll be for that. If I still feel a little tired tomorrow night (very possible) I'll pop a couple of those Blue Rhino's and that should do the trick.

BTW....my wife told me I looked like a gorilla in the gym the other night.....that was a compliment I think :p??? Anyway I'm taking it that way.....gorillas are strong, LOL :D
 
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looking good bulldog how the weight these days? going up down?
 

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If youre making good money be glad man, a lot of guys wish they could be in your shoes
 

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looking good bulldog how the weight these days? going up down?
Hey big guy.....I weighed myself this morning first thing when I woke up. 239lbs. I have DEFINITELY lost body fat, so I am guessing that I have put on a good bit of lean mass. I weighed about 235 when I started this cycle and I had a good bit more BF. Awesome gains as far as I'm concerned. I am very happy with the way things have gone. :woohoo:

How's your cycle going for you man?
 

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If youre making good money be glad man, a lot of guys wish they could be in your shoes
I know bro.....and I definitely am very grateful for that. Overall I've got a good job and I'm very lucky.....I just don't know many folks that love 100% of every aspect of their job. If they do they are VERY lucky :)
 
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Hey big guy.....I weighed myself this morning first thing when I woke up. 239lbs. I have DEFINITELY lost body fat, so I am guessing that I have put on a good bit of lean mass. I weighed about 235 when I started this cycle and I had a good bit more BF. Awesome gains as far as I'm concerned. I am very happy with the way things have gone. :woohoo:

How's your cycle going for you man?
Id say good, i have M1T and legal gear stack to compare to, waaay less sides than M1T but with waaay less strength. I only gained about 10 pounds on M1T, and have gained aprox 7 pound so far, IF i have lost 2 pounds of fat(which is reasonable). So for 13 days its quite reasonable i can gain another 5- 10 pounds i need 8.5 to reach my goal of gaining 13 pounds on top of my starting weight, while losing 2% body fat. so roughly total gain would total 17 pounds in the positive direction. To date i estimate a positive gain of around 5.5 pounds above start with a 1% decrease in fat (additional 2 pounds) 7.5 pounds LBM gained. With the second week gains being more aggresive this may be attainable but who knows with newer compounds. My nipples are a bit sensitive today but other that headaches occasionally i have no other sides to report.:blink: :hammer: :woohoo: :nutkick:
 

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Well I managed to drag my ass into the gym tonight. Almost didn't make it. I was tired as hell after work....came home and actually fell asleep for a while....which is very unusual for me. I did take a couple Blue Rhino's about an hour before so I would get a lil boost to work out. They helped, but not a whole lot tonight.

My chest workout was only so/so tonight in my opinion. Just wasn't feeling it. I think it was due to 2 things. First.....I was tired as crap so my energy level was not so good. Second was the excercises.....specifically my first group. I used the Hammer Strength bench press tonight for my first 4 sets. The one that you sit upright in and press out and up. I just don't like that machine.....never really have......I keep giving it the benefit of the doubt every now and then and keep remembering that I don't like it when I do use it. I just don't like the hand positions, the movement itself......nothing about it really. I only used it tonight because I just really didn't feel like dragging out the heavy ass dumbells.....that was a mistake.....I get such a better chest pump from them.

I do like the Hammer Strength Incline. I used that for my next 3 sets and got a pretty good upper chest pump from that. Finished up chest with some Flyes and got a good inner pec pump from those.

I worked my tri's next and that always goes well. My tri's are one of my favorite muscle groups and they're pretty strong. They contribute quite a bit to the size of my upper arms. If I can get my bi's more developed, I'll really have a nice set of guns. I'm sitting at about 17 inches right now.....I'd like to get that up to 18 by the end of the year.....preferrably without having to do multiple PH cycles. That being said.....I am thinking that later in the year I'm gonna do a SD/Pros cycle. I really like the way the Prost. contributes to muscle hardness and dryness.

Anyway my tri's were nice and pumped when I was finished working them and they looked great. If I would just get off my ass and lose some body fat, I'd look really good....in MY opinion anyway, lol :p

Okay here are my day 23 observations. Definite overall size increase in all muscle groups. Some a bit more than others. Moderate strength gains.....still pretty damn happy with them though. Definite body recomp improvement.....that has been a VERY noticeable effect. I wore a sleeveless T-shirt to the gym tonight, usually I just wear a regular t-shirt. I could tell a huge difference in the appearance of my arms tonight. I was actually a little shocked at how much they've improved. My delts looked great....nice and full and round....tri's looked great, very solid and defined.....and bi's (usually a weak spot for me) looked very full and round. I don't spend hours in front of the mirror at home, so it's hard to tell what you look like sometimes. The gyms walls are of course covered with mirrors, so wearing clothing that is a little more revealing makes you take notice of how much your body has changed.

Tomorrow is leg night....my least favorite. Hopefully I will feel more rested, but that's highly doubtful. I wasn't able to take my sleep medication tonight because I didn't have a full 8 hours I could devoted to rest tonight. I have to make sure I can get up in the morning for work. So needless to say the insomnia is pretty wicked tonight. I'm typing this post at 12:30 am. Tomorrow is gonna be rough. If I feel too sleepy, then I'll just take my sleep med early tomorrow night, get a good nights sleep and workout Thurs, Fri, and Sat. I'm off on Friday and I don't have to work weekends, so those SHOULD be great work out days. I love being able to wake up when I feel like it and go to the gym when I feel like it. I'm an animal in there those day.....toss around the weights like they're nothing......that is the best feeling.

Take it easy folks.....be back with more later :)
 

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Id say good, i have M1T and legal gear stack to compare to, waaay less sides than M1T but with waaay less strength. I only gained about 10 pounds on M1T, and have gained aprox 7 pound so far, IF i have lost 2 pounds of fat(which is reasonable). So for 13 days its quite reasonable i can gain another 5- 10 pounds i need 8.5 to reach my goal of gaining 13 pounds on top of my starting weight, while losing 2% body fat. so roughly total gain would total 17 pounds in the positive direction. To date i estimate a positive gain of around 5.5 pounds above start with a 1% decrease in fat (additional 2 pounds) 7.5 pounds LBM gained. With the second week gains being more aggresive this may be attainable but who knows with newer compounds. My nipples are a bit sensitive today but other that headaches occasionally i have no other sides to report.:blink: :hammer: :woohoo: :nutkick:
Sounds like you're getting some good results brother. Keep at it. Just wait til you see how you're feeling in the third week. This stuff really does get off to a slow start, but things get good in the second week and awesome in the third. The gains are gradual, but steady....they build more and more each week. And the lack of real sides makes this a great compound in my opinion. :thumbsup:
 

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Hey Bulldog, great log man! You've got me considering a H50 cycle in the near future.

A few questions for you. I ran a SD cycle a couple months back. Had great gains, but I experienced some pretty bad flu-like symptoms and BAD joint/tendon pain. Have you experienced any of this on H50? THe tiredness you're experiencing, is this normal for you, or do you think it may be a result of the Halodrol?

Thanks in advance for any help, and keep up the good work brotha!
 

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In addition to airdog's question - has anyone experienced any gyno or anything of the sort while on H50??

I am starting to get super nervous that my methyldrol/4AD left with me some small lingering gyno. If i lean against the preacher curl for example it hurts, but the nips themselves arent overly sensitive.

If i do another cycle anytime I soon i want to make sure its not going to lead to nasty gyno or anything.
 

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Hey Airdog2k and Bhertz.......glad you guys are enjoying the log :)

In reference to questions that both of you have....

--I haven't really experienced any flu-like symptoms at any point during my cycle. I do have some joint pain, but I've always had some joint pain....I also have some osteoarthritis thanks to some bones that I broke.....also the Orastan-E (Prostanozol) that I'm on, has been reported to "dry-out" joints for some people. Overall I don't think that any of the products I am taking are contributing to any joint pain or inflammation. I take Glucosamine/Chondroitin to help keep my joints healthy and I have a prescrption for Celebrex to help with inflammation. So my answers to those questions would be No on the flu-symtoms and No on the joint pain.

--The tiredness I am feeling is completely natural for me. I suffer from really bad insomnia. I only recently got a prescription for Lunesta to help me get better sleep at night. Plus I work long hours and have to work out late in the evening.....all of that causes my tiredness......I don't think the H-50 contributes to it at all.

--Gyno......Nope, haven't seen a trace of it yet....and hopefully won't. I really haven't heard of too many (or any really) people reporting Gyno issues with this compound, however, individual results may vary and if you are genetically prone to it....who knows? I've read several threads that people have reported gyno as a result of using 4ad.......H-50 however appears to be more or less side effect free......so far for me anyway.

Hope that helps guys. Try it out....I think you'll like it a lot. I really like the way the Orastan stacks with it.
 

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Great log, I,v been following yours and Dreams logs, u guys got me itchin to buy some, the lack of sides is really a nice suprise considering the sides some of the others carry......
 
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Great log, I,v been following yours and Dreams logs, u guys got me itchin to buy some, the lack of sides is really a nice suprise considering the sides some of the others carry......
The lack of sides is the only reason I decided to try it. I'm not interested in having to deal with raisin nuts or prostate or liver problems. I'm too damn old for that crap. Another thing I like is that the gains are lean and mean. A great cycle product for cutting as well. The fat is still melting off 4 days after the cycle, my waist keeps on shrinking and I'm still very hard.
 

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So tonight was my leg night. Another average workout in my opinion, although my leg days are never that great as far as I'm concerned. Too much pain in my knees and left ankle.....I feel like the damn Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz sometimes. Where's my oil can....creak, creak, creak, lol :p

I'm happy though because my work week (jobwise) is officially OVER!! :woohoo: I'm off tomorrow and have nothing to do for the weekend. I can take my time and go to the gym tomorrow and Sat when I feel like it. I love that.....my workouts are so much better when I am afforded that luxury.

SO........I've got a few observations for you guys about me, my cycle, and how I'm feeling.

First.....my cycle has gone really well. I'm closing in on the end of it now and I honestly feel like the Halodrol was worth the money. I'm really happy with the gains I've gotten and what the compound has done for my body.

That being said.....if there is one part of Gaspari's Maximus Stack that I don't really care for, it's the Novedex. For me the stuff has been an anti-sex drug. My libido went from high to crap basically as soon as I went on the stuff. I've taken some Trib here and there to help with it, and it does.....but only for a few hours after I take the Trib. I'm really not too into the way the Novedex is making me feel. I think the next time I run a PH cycle I am going to leave out the ATD/AI products and just go with Nolva, a Cortisol blocker and support supps. I have mixed feelings about ATD's lately anyway. I don't really wanna get too into it because thats really not what this thread is about.....just sharing my feelings on it. The Maximus Stack guidelines call for me to up my dose of Novedex to 4 caps per day next week. I don't think I'm going to go that high. I'm currently at 3 caps per day and I think thats as high as I'm going to go.

My training.......it's been too much. Flat out end of story. It's really just occurred to me that I've more or less been training pretty hard since last Sept. That's about 6 months straight. My only time off has been when I've either been ill or just too damn tired to go work out. So I think that once the H-50 runs out I am going to lower the intensity of my training and once I've finished the Novedex doses.....I am going to take a solid week off from the gym. My central nervous system is fried. I can tell. Between the long hours I work, the heavy training and the lack of sleep......I'm just burned out. The H-50 helped me get really good gains, but I can't help but think they would have been much better if I wasn't so fried.

The over training is my fault. I knew it subconsciously, but I am addicted to lifting. I feel really guilty when I don't go to the gym. So I tend to work myself too hard.

So here's my game plan for the next several months.

1. Finish my current cycle....lower intensity of training when H-50 is used up.

2. Once current cycle is 100% complete.....give myself a one week vacation from the gym. I've earned it.

3. Run a cutting phase for the next 6 weeks or so. I'm not going to use any drugs for this. I've used fat burners before and I don't like the way they make me feel.....any of them. I'm a little hyper-sensitive to stimulants and don't like to use them very frequently. I'm going to cut the old fashioned way. Lower my weight poundages and do higher reps, do cardio 3-4 times per week, and get my diet in check. This has worked for me in the past. Hopefully I'll be able to shed some fat pounds and show off some of the new muscle I've gained over the last several months. I may lose some muscle mass, but I am okay with that. I weigh 240 lbs. I can afford to lose a little muscle and still look pretty big.

4. Bulk again. Once I have hopefully lost the extra fat pounds and gotten myself a little leaner, I want to run another bulking phase. Probably around late spring. I will have been off hormonal products for a good while by then and will have given my body a good break from the damage they do. SO....my next bulk cycle is looking like it's going to be a Superdrol/Prostanozol cycle. It'll only be a 3 week cycle due to the harshness of SD. But I expect really solid gains from that one.

Well.....I'm thinking thats about it for now. Sorry for the long ass post.....just thinking a LOT tonight and wanted to share some of it with you guys. I'm really happy with my progress thus far and I think I have a good road map to follow for the next few months.

I'll check back in tomorrow and let you know how that workout goes. It'll be shoulder day. My favorite workout!!

Back with more later. :D
 

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Hi there, I love this thread! just what i was lookin for. I am about to start a halodrol cycle myself. And am planning on novedex xt, milk thistle, liver support for pct. so the novedex xt isnt that great then? and no side effects thats great, i wonder how long it would take my libido to return after using the novedex xt.
 

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Personally, I haven't cared much for the Novedex. Everybody is different. I've read some thread on other forums where people have thought it's a great product. It's hard to say how anyone will really react to anything......everybody's body chemistry is different.

Taking a Tribulus supp does help with the libido loss. The last time I used a ATD product, it was Rebound XT. I think it took about a month after I discountinued use for my libido to return to normal. It actually felt a little higher than normal after a month off of it. But that could have just been my imagination since it had been so low. 4 weeks to return to 100% normal isn't too bad, IMHO. And it happened gradually.....it wasn't like I didn't have any libido for 4 weeks and then boom.....there it was. It happened gradually.

The only other thing I am wondering about is if the Novedex is contibuting to the lethargy and low energy level I am feeling now? It's hard to say......I have so many factors that are contributing to that, it's hard to pin it down to any one thing.

You'll definitely like the Halodrol though bro. And I loved the way the Orastan combined with it. My muscles have felt like ROCKS for the past month.
 

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Shoulder day in the gym today. Not a bad work out, but my heart just really wasn't in it much today. I stayed up too late last night because I knew I didn't have to work today. Took my sleeping pill waaaaaay too late and felt tired all morning.

I'm on day 26 of my H50 cycle and things are winding down.

Looking forward to the week break I am going to take from lifting and when thats over......returning to the gym and working my ass off again. My workout will change up after my break too so that should make things interesting again. :D
 

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Heh DreamWeaver and Bulldog, you both mentioned lowered b/f. Are you including any cardio in your workouts? I have H-50 and will start my cycle as soon as I am done with a NHA stack cycle, but am bulking and have gained some fat. I do NO cardio though till I start cutting.
 

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I did ZERO cardio on this cycle and still lost BF.
 

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I agreee with u about taking a break, I used to really worry about missing a day here and there, just remember there is a difference between being REALLY tired and just not being really motivated, if u r really tired rest that body, I have found less to be more sometimes. I may get rid of my super-phera stash after reading the lack of sides the H is giving.(probably not):D
 

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Sat. was back and biceps day in the gym. Tried out a few new exercises. Overall I had a pretty damn good workout. Bi's felt like a couple of softballs under the skin and my back felt thick and wide.

I have 2 days of H50 left. Libido loss seems to be evening out. Meaning that it has returned......very little of it, but thats better than none at all :D

I'm going to be giving myself this week off from the gym. I am on-call for work......so theres a chance I could get called for a problem at any time....day or night.....which is a pain in the ass, but at least it's only for a week. Plus I won't be able to take my sleep medication while I'm on call because I wouldn't be coherent enough to handle any calls, so my rest this week will suck.....my insomnia will be back with a vengence.

So basically my cycle is more or less over. I'm gonna take a one week break and get back in the gym with my new workout routine after that. This has been a blast and I'm really happy with the gains and changes in body comp that I've gotten this past month!! :D
 
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looking good bulldog, cant wait to see the final tally, mwuahahaha.
 

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question, I really like how I feel with halodrol, what do I do when I complete this cycle, whats the next cycle to keep the gains I have made. do I really have to wait 90 days before I can cycle halodrol again,
 
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question, I really like how I feel with halodrol, what do I do when I complete this cycle, whats the next cycle to keep the gains I have made. do I really have to wait 90 days before I can cycle halodrol again,
I hope you know what PCT is. If you do 30 days is the minimum wait when you finish PCT, otherwise you need to learn alot.
 

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I am 60, a structural ironworker, so my time is limited, when I am not working I am lifting, and yes I have a lot to learn that why I am here, now how about a little help
 
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I am 60, a structural ironworker, so my time is limited, when I am not working I am lifting, and yes I have a lot to learn that why I am here, now how about a little help
well you can search "PCT" ( by scrolling to top of page and searching forum) and read up or you can post your email or messenger name and i can tell you directly, then you can go back and delete it later. FOr starters when you add hormones to your body (like halodrol 50) your natural test producing testicles stop producing their own test and you should take something to stimulate your natural production back to normal levels, eg nolvaldex (tamoxifen citrate) or clomid (clomiphene citrate) these are SERMS and can b bought as research chemicals. It is legal for you to have these without a prescription if you intend to use them for your dog or lab rat for "research reasons" they are available from board sponsors. Check IBE in the forums section. Now AI's like rebount XT by anabolic extreme and rebound XT by designer supplements are also popular PCT either used with a SERM or separately.
I do not want to steal this thread from bulldogg as its his thread for his cycle and given the circumstances i hope he doesnt mind. check the PCT section of anabolics for more readable info, good luck.
 

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Hey Dennis.....SomeWhatGifted is giving you some solid advice. I would definitely suggest reading in the PCT forum some.....you'll learn a lot.

Keep this in mind though......typically the rule of thumb for cycling hormonal compounds is:

Time ON + PCT = Time OFF

So basically if you did a 4 week cycle of h-50 and then did a 4 week PCT, you should then theoretically wait 8 weeks before cycling any other hormonal compounds. It will give your body time to regain it's natural hormonal equilibrium.

Personally I do not like doing more than 2-3 cycles per year, if that. I do utilize these compounds in my training, but I definitely do not take them lightly. Regardless of whether they are legal or semi-legal.....they still are causing serious hormonal changes to occur in your body. Use them bro.....but use them wisely.....and try not to over do it. I know it's a great feeling when you are ON cycle, but that is a chemically generated state that is occuring.

Anyway, good luck to you brother. :)
 
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Hey Dennis.....SomeWhatGifted is giving you some solid advice. I would definitely suggest reading in the PCT forum some.....you'll learn a lot.

Keep this in mind though......typically the rule of thumb for cycling hormonal compounds is:

Time ON + PCT = Time OFF

So basically if you did a 4 week cycle of h-50 and then did a 4 week PCT, you should then theoretically wait 8 weeks before cycling any other hormonal compounds. It will give your body time to regain it's natural hormonal equilibrium.

Personally I do not like doing more than 2-3 cycles per year, if that. I do utilize these compounds in my training, but I definitely do not take them lightly. Regardless of whether they are legal or semi-legal.....they still are causing serious hormonal changes to occur in your body. Use them bro.....but use them wisely.....and try not to over do it. I know it's a great feeling when you are ON cycle, but that is a chemically generated state that is occuring.

Anyway, good luck to you brother. :)

60 or 18 you should inform yourself about the possible complications of anything, halo is no toy, good words bulldog hang in there dennis but i think you need to do some quick learning to get a PCT in order.
 

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This log was very informative, thanks for putting in the time to do this
 

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Hello Bulldog and others,
Something I noticed is that the people doing a Halodrol cycle are not mentioning using any glutamine while working out. Is there a reason why one should not take gutamine while on this cycle?
Here is what I plan on taking with my cycle and can you please tell me what I should add and take off.
Halodrol 50
NO Xplode
Glutamine
live protection
Cytogainer weight gainer.
My goal is to put on 8-10 pounds of muscle. I am 36 year old, 6'5" tall and 235 pounds.
Thanks.
 
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Hello Bulldog and others,
Something I noticed is that the people doing a Halodrol cycle are not mentioning using any glutamine while working out. Is there a reason why one should not take gutamine while on this cycle?
Here is what I plan on taking with my cycle and can you please tell me what I should add and take off.
Halodrol 50
NO Xplode
Glutamine
live protection
Cytogainer weight gainer.
My goal is to put on 8-10 pounds of muscle. I am 36 year old, 6'5" tall and 235 pounds.
Thanks.
what is your PCT?
 

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Hello somewhatgifted and others,
For some reason I am being notified in my email that I have some responses to my above question on this forum but when I click the link in my email it takes me to this page and all I see is my last question. If anyone replies can you please send the reply to [email protected] in the meantime I will try to find out how to use this forum.
Thanks.
 

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Hey thanks for the reply somewhatgifted. I am thinking of the post cycle but do not really know what I wan to get. I am doing some research on Post Cycle. I am researching novodex and some liver support. Is CoQ10 necessary?
Can you tell me of a good post cycle I can get on?
Did you see my post with regards to Glutamine intake? WHy isnt anybody talking about taking Glutamine while on the Halodrol cycle? From what I have been reading Glutamine is very important in muscle building.
 

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Hey thanks for the reply somewhatgifted. I am thinking of the post cycle but do not really know what I wan to get. I am doing some research on Post Cycle. I am researching novodex and some liver support. Is CoQ10 necessary?
Can you tell me of a good post cycle I can get on?
Did you see my post with regards to Glutamine intake? WHy isnt anybody talking about taking Glutamine while on the Halodrol cycle? From what I have been reading Glutamine is very important in muscle building.
Glutamine is not necessary. Its way overhyped and really doesnt do what it advertises unless you take in very large amounts (20g+).

As for the post cycle, you want nolvadex or tamoxifen, not novodex.

CoQ10, is definitely a necessity. It helps the body to rid itself of free radicals, while helping maintain healthy heart functions, and when paired with red yeast rice can help keep cholesterol levels in check.
 
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Hey thanks for the reply somewhatgifted. I am thinking of the post cycle but do not really know what I wan to get. I am doing some research on Post Cycle. I am researching novodex and some liver support. Is CoQ10 necessary?
Can you tell me of a good post cycle I can get on?
Did you see my post with regards to Glutamine intake? WHy isnt anybody talking about taking Glutamine while on the Halodrol cycle? From what I have been reading Glutamine is very important in muscle building.
Well sharia you have posted in two great halodrol logs, you have access to some great PCT info on the board. You can either copy an existing PCT on my or bulldogs logs or do some reading and get a few options. Either way you shoul incorporate a SERM like nolva or clomid and an AI like rebound xt or perfect cycle. Read the thread running SERM and AI inversely. Lots of good info from guys like DR.D and many others, welcome aboard.
 

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Hello Bulldog, I called a nutrition store with questions for my PCT for my Halodrol cycle and here is what they sugessted
Milk Thistle for liver
Formadrol exterme by legal gear or 6oxo to bring my natural estrogen back.
He said this is all I need, is this true? I notice you used Novedex xt and CoQ10. Can I use the same supps you used on your cycle? Somewhat gifted who has given me some good advice informed me of serm. If it is ok with you or anyone else can you please tell me a list of things I need for my PCT, what each is for and when they should be taken? What do I take while taking Halodrol, and what do I take at the end of the Halodrol cycle? rom what I am readin Novedex XT should be taken at the end of my Halodrol cycle. What is the purpose of Hawthorne Berry and celery seed?
Thanks for your support folks
 

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Hello Bulldog, I called a nutrition store with questions for my post cycle therapy for my Halodrol cycle and here is what they sugessted
Milk Thistle for liver
Formadrol exterme by legal gear or 6oxo to bring my natural estrogen back.
He said this is all I need, is this true? I notice you used Novedex xt and CoQ10. Can I use the same supps you used on your cycle? Somewhat gifted who has given me some good advice informed me of serm. If it is ok with you or anyone else can you please tell me a list of things I need for my PCT, what each is for and when they should be taken? What do I take while taking Halodrol, and what do I take at the end of the Halodrol cycle? rom what I am readin Novedex XT should be taken at the end of my Halodrol cycle. What is the purpose of Hawthorne Berry and celery seed?
Thanks for your support folks
Seriously, not to be a d1ck, but you should do this stuff on your own. No one is going to lay everything out there for you and design a cycle for you. Everything that you need answered is right in front of you. Take the time and do your research.
 

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No problem IDunk42, I will keep on doing my research. I have been doing it for a week now but things sound confusing to me and since you folks are pretty darn knowledgeable I thought I could ask you folks for help. I will continue to do my research.
 

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Yes, I agree that this stuff is very confusing when you start out. But thats one of the reasons that you shouldnt start a cycle, until you know exactly whats going on and why and what you need to do if this or that comes up. Some people research for years before actually doing any type of PHs or AAS. So take your time and get to know this board, because in the end it will become your best friend. :D
 

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