Do You Have A Band-Aid? KgTomCat's CUT Log

[KgTomCat]

guys...Im reading up on Furaguno, Ive read that it translates to Winny-V, is it this strong?

 

[GMG760]

guys...Im reading up on Furaguno, Ive read that it translates to Winny-V, is it this strong?

Technically it doesn't convert to WINSTROL (not winnyv which is not winstrol). The pyrazol compound (Oristan-E) does convert to winstrol. The Feraguno (oristan-A) converts to a different compound with similar results.

 

[TimberLakers]

guys...Im reading up on Furaguno, Ive read that it translates to Winny-V, is it this strong?

at:

:bryce:

 

[KgTomCat]

"4 caps of O-A = 50mg winny. and o-a is 50mg compared to furaguno which is 33mg. so 200mg of either o-a or furaguno = 50mg winny. my source is the owner of another board and site that sells both o-a(yes still somehow has it) and furaguno. he has used all 3 and proly weighs about 220ish solid if not more. he said he is using o-a at 2 caps a day so thats 100mg or 25mg of winny. im not that big so i dont even need that much. so 2 caps of furaguno would be enough for someone in the 180 range. thats a lot compacted there hope its not too confusing"

https://www.discountanabolics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8655

 

[KgTomCat]

Pharmaceutical Name: Furazabol
Chemical structure: 17-alpha-methyl-5-alpha-androsta-2,3-furazan,17b-ol
Molecular weight of base: 330.4692




Effective dose: 20-50 mg/day
Average Street-price: $0.25-0.40 for a 1 mg tab
Available Doses: 1 mg tabs


Brands & Products:

Daiichi Seiyaku Miotolan (Japan) 1 mg tabs


Characteristics:

Furazabol reminds us of Stanozolol (Winstrol) strucrurally. Its similar in appearance in that it's a DHT molecule with a 17-alpha-methyl group for oral availability, and has no 3-keto group, needed for androgenic binding. But instead of a 2,3-pyrazol group, furazabol has a 2,3-furazan group. The difference may not be all that big, both groups contain 2 nitrogen atoms and 2 double bonds and both are present instead of the 3-keto group. The advantage is that its not readily deactivated and therefore whatever influences it has, they are consistent. The downside is that the lack of a 3-keto group, which will impair its overall androgenic potency. So in that aspect again comparable to stanozolol. Anabolics 2002, without a doubt the best reference guide for steroids in print, lists Furazabol as extremely androgenic however, which is no doubt just an oversight. In nearly every way the behaviour of furazabol would be identical to that of Stanozolol.

It's an obscure steroid, that's the least we can say. Its only manufactured in Japan and in tabs of 1 mg. Low availability makes the cost of this steroid rather high, and its not particularly easy to find. Perhaps a tad more potent than Stanozolol, the doses used lay in the same neighbourhood, 20-50 mg/day. The higher doses being the preference. The demand for it isn't very high either, because Winstrol/Stromba is a popular and cheap to come by. The only benefit of its obscurity is that noone will invest in faking it. So if you do come across Furazabol, you have pretty good odds that the stuff is legit.

Now, the literature does not make a whole lot of mention of furazabol, but from what I was able to find1, it supports the weak nature of the steroid. In one case it was found that furazabol was a good treatment for hyperlipemia, and this without affecting proteinuria (the prevention of excretion of amino acids, where one would expect a steroid to increase proteinuria and not effect hyperlipemia). The low androgen binding may explain the lack of effect it had on proteinuria. The doses used were considerably high though, at least for furazabol. 1.1 mg/kg/day. That means a 200 lb bodybuilder would be using around 90-100 mg/day

Furazabol can be considered a relatively light steroid therefore. It is not estrogenic in anyway, on account of its dihydro structure and its lack of estrogenic action and low androgenic binding make it have fairly little influence on the body's own testosterone production. Much like Winstrol (stanozolol) and Anavar (oxandrolone). In the long run suppression will occur of course, but because it occurs much slower a user will suffer less from testicular atrophy and therefore bounce back easier when a cycle is concluded. There is a slim chance of androgenic risk, as with Winstrol, but its not frequent or severe. So acne, increased body and facial hair and even an aggravation of male pattern hair loss can occur, but it's a lot less likely than with more androgenic specimen.

Stacking and Use:

Furazabol is a 17-alpha-alkylated steroid, and therefore has a level of hepatoxicity. In the interest of protecting your liver, you should not extend use beyond 6-8 weeks maximum. It's a mild steroid with no estrogenic activity, so logically its best used when cutting in stacks with Equipoise (boldenone undecylenate), Finaplix (trenbolone acetate) or Primobolan (methenolone enanthate) and the needed fat-burners of course. Unlike most steroids, this drug has a relatively short half-life2 however. It compensates with quite long activity (15-33% excretion of unchanged metabolites after 24 hours) so a single dose should be enough to get you through the day. But on account of the low half-life time, you may want to consider splitting doses in two each day.

Because it doesn't aromatize and doesn't have a strong androgenic component, the use of ancillary drugs is limited. The use of Clomid or Nolvadex after a cycle is certainly advised, though the merit may be rather limited. There is no need for anti-estrogens or blood pressure medication during the cycle.

References

1 Suzuki Y, Honda Y, Ito M. Pharmacological studies on experimental nephritic rats. (4) Improvement of hyperlipemic models in rats utilizing anti-rat kidney rabbit serum and effects of anti-hyperlipemic agents on serum lipid levels. Jpn J Pharmacol 1978 Oct;28(5):729-38

2 Kim T, Suh JW, Ryu JC, Chung BC, Park J. Excretion study of furazabol, an anabolic steroid, in human urine. J Chromatogr B Biomed Appl 1996 Dec 6;687(1):79-83

 

[grila jujitsu]

guys...Im reading up on Furaguno, Ive read that it translates to Winny-V, is it this strong?

it is a pro steroid to Furazabol not winny-v. totally different compounds. furazabol is far better in my opinion!

 

[grila jujitsu]

Pharmaceutical Name: Furazabol
Chemical structure: 17-alpha-methyl-5-alpha-androsta-2,3-furazan,17b-ol
Molecular weight of base: 330.4692




Effective dose: 20-50 mg/day
Average Street-price: $0.25-0.40 for a 1 mg tab
Available Doses: 1 mg tabs


Brands & Products:

Daiichi Seiyaku Miotolan (Japan) 1 mg tabs


Characteristics:

Furazabol reminds us of Stanozolol (Winstrol) strucrurally. Its similar in appearance in that it's a DHT molecule with a 17-alpha-methyl group for oral availability, and has no 3-keto group, needed for androgenic binding. But instead of a 2,3-pyrazol group, furazabol has a 2,3-furazan group. The difference may not be all that big, both groups contain 2 nitrogen atoms and 2 double bonds and both are present instead of the 3-keto group. The advantage is that its not readily deactivated and therefore whatever influences it has, they are consistent. The downside is that the lack of a 3-keto group, which will impair its overall androgenic potency. So in that aspect again comparable to stanozolol. Anabolics 2002, without a doubt the best reference guide for steroids in print, lists Furazabol as extremely androgenic however, which is no doubt just an oversight. In nearly every way the behaviour of furazabol would be identical to that of Stanozolol.

It's an obscure steroid, that's the least we can say. Its only manufactured in Japan and in tabs of 1 mg. Low availability makes the cost of this steroid rather high, and its not particularly easy to find. Perhaps a tad more potent than Stanozolol, the doses used lay in the same neighbourhood, 20-50 mg/day. The higher doses being the preference. The demand for it isn't very high either, because Winstrol/Stromba is a popular and cheap to come by. The only benefit of its obscurity is that noone will invest in faking it. So if you do come across Furazabol, you have pretty good odds that the stuff is legit.

Now, the literature does not make a whole lot of mention of furazabol, but from what I was able to find1, it supports the weak nature of the steroid. In one case it was found that furazabol was a good treatment for hyperlipemia, and this without affecting proteinuria (the prevention of excretion of amino acids, where one would expect a steroid to increase proteinuria and not effect hyperlipemia). The low androgen binding may explain the lack of effect it had on proteinuria. The doses used were considerably high though, at least for furazabol. 1.1 mg/kg/day. That means a 200 lb bodybuilder would be using around 90-100 mg/day

Furazabol can be considered a relatively light steroid therefore. It is not estrogenic in anyway, on account of its dihydro structure and its lack of estrogenic action and low androgenic binding make it have fairly little influence on the body's own testosterone production. Much like Winstrol (stanozolol) and Anavar (oxandrolone). In the long run suppression will occur of course, but because it occurs much slower a user will suffer less from testicular atrophy and therefore bounce back easier when a cycle is concluded. There is a slim chance of androgenic risk, as with Winstrol, but its not frequent or severe. So acne, increased body and facial hair and even an aggravation of male pattern hair loss can occur, but it's a lot less likely than with more androgenic specimen.

Stacking and Use:

Furazabol is a 17-alpha-alkylated steroid, and therefore has a level of hepatoxicity. In the interest of protecting your liver, you should not extend use beyond 6-8 weeks maximum. It's a mild steroid with no estrogenic activity, so logically its best used when cutting in stacks with Equipoise (boldenone undecylenate), Finaplix (trenbolone acetate) or Primobolan (methenolone enanthate) and the needed fat-burners of course. Unlike most steroids, this drug has a relatively short half-life2 however. It compensates with quite long activity (15-33% excretion of unchanged metabolites after 24 hours) so a single dose should be enough to get you through the day. But on account of the low half-life time, you may want to consider splitting doses in two each day.

Because it doesn't aromatize and doesn't have a strong androgenic component, the use of ancillary drugs is limited. The use of Clomid or Nolvadex after a cycle is certainly advised, though the merit may be rather limited. There is no need for anti-estrogens or blood pressure medication during the cycle.

References

1 Suzuki Y, Honda Y, Ito M. Pharmacological studies on experimental nephritic rats. (4) Improvement of hyperlipemic models in rats utilizing anti-rat kidney rabbit serum and effects of anti-hyperlipemic agents on serum lipid levels. Jpn J Pharmacol 1978 Oct;28(5):729-38

2 Kim T, Suh JW, Ryu JC, Chung BC, Park J. Excretion study of furazabol, an anabolic steroid, in human urine. J Chromatogr B Biomed Appl 1996 Dec 6;687(1):79-83

tc I know where you got this!! I know the site! there is a lot of info there!!

 

[KgTomCat]

it clearly says furazabol, but then he goes on to say furaguno, did he confuse them or what?

 

[TimberLakers]

it clearly says furazabol, but then he goes on to say furaguno, did he confuse them or what?

Furaguno is a derivitive of Furzabol, which is similar to Winny.

 

[GMG760]

Furazabol is the steroid.

Furazadrol, Feraguno, oristan-a are the pro-hormones to that steroid.

There is no methyl in your Feraguno.

 

[KgTomCat]

oooooo, well Im gettin excited about this then...dont know if I should be but yea, also Im having a hard time not eating carbs in the morning (ive only been eating them before and after my WO) is 1/2 cup of oatmeal in the a.m. okay?

 

[TimberLakers]

oooooo, well Im gettin excited about this then...dont know if I should be but yea, also Im having a hard time not eating carbs in the morning (ive only been eating them before and after my WO) is 1/2 cup of oatmeal in the a.m. okay?

Yeah, initially its totally fine man.

 

[KgTomCat]

well...Ill use today as an example because I already know its going to be horrible.
Pre Cardio-2 Lipo6X, H2O
FT Morning cardio-30 min Interval on elliptical
Post Cardio-1 small apple 2 rice cakes w/no sugar added, all natty Jelly(2 tbsp)

--I have a doc appointment at 10:30, then class from 12-1, then again 4-6:40, but in my second class (4-6:40)I have a quiz that I haven't studied for so Ill most likely be studying during my break. Ill pop another Lipo6X (which surprisingly is a good appetite suppressant)but I know Ill be starving around this time, Im going to try to get something to eat, prob just a salad (but I might be able to get a wheat bagel-for SOME carbs:rant2. Go to my 4-6:40 class (I might leave early because Ill be wanting to kill myself), go home take my NO Shotgun then go do Bi's/Tri's/Abs and 30 min cardio:Stair Climber
--then post WO Ill have some rice cakes with jelly, protein shake. I dont know what Ill eat as my last meal, Im thinking a salad, or a chicken breast with some veggies.
--So you can see its hard for my diet to be anything remotely close to a 'diet', I eat what I can when I can:frustrate:frustrate
(and Ill be drinking water ALL throughout the day)

 

[KgTomCat]

oh yea, and Ill have 1 11OXO after my meals, not Post WO meals

 

[Australian made]

I think im gunna grab me some 11oxo (Fast A 11-test) and give this a go on my cut as well.. Curious to see how this helps you on your cut.

 

[TimberLakers]

well...Ill use today as an example because I already know its going to be horrible.
Pre Cardio-2 Lipo6X, H2O
FT Morning cardio-30 min Interval on elliptical
Post Cardio-1 small apple 2 rice cakes w/no sugar added, all natty Jelly(2 tbsp)

You had some whey post cardio, right!?!?

Try getting sugar free jelly too... Pretty good stuff and it quarters the calories.

 

[AZMIDLYF]

I don't see the protein anywhere!!

 

[KgTomCat]

no sugar added-sugar free....same thing, I dont call it sugar free because there is sugar (naturally from the fruit ya know) forgot to write in my protein shake, its a habit to have one so I forget to mention it. Im going to take my second serving of 11OXO pre-WO today and see how that feels

 

[TimberLakers]

no sugar added-sugar free....same thing, I dont call it sugar free because there is sugar (naturally from the fruit ya know) forgot to write in my protein shake, its a habit to have one so I forget to mention it. Im going to take my second serving of 11OXO pre-WO today and see how that feels

Its not the same thing. :slap:

They have jelly sweetened with Splenda now with the fruit sugar removed.

 

[GMG760]

Timbers right. The jelly I use has 0 gm sugar, period. No sugar alchohols, no natural sugar. I like whole fruit, so I get those natural sugars from that source.

No reason to trip out, I doubt it has enough fruit sugars in it to really damage your diet... you seem to have really taken carbs out of the picture... that is pretty tough to do. What matters really is just your ratio of protein to carbs to fats. Don't just wing it, do the numbers for the goals you want to achieve. It's really easy to follow something that is laid out for you, you just don't deviate and it will run it's course... whenever I try to just eyeball it (which unfortunately has been what my lazy ass has been doing lately) I tend to over-eat and over-cheat. So now that I think about it, I think I am gonna go write myself a new diet plan tonight.

 

[TimberLakers]

I'm the opposite. I get too strict... If I say no sugar - its like ZZEERRROOO sugar. And probably a 1200 calorie defecit.

 

[GMG760]

Yea, I call that starvation.

I'd rather run a few extra miles than go hungry. This isn't Ethiopia.

 

[AZMIDLYF]

Very true G.^^^ Set your calorie goals and then break that down into your pro/carb/fats. Then set up the meals to coincide.

 

[carib102]

Yeah I tend to head in that direction as well, too strict I mean. I remember once my wife got all pissed with me because I wouldn't eat this chocolate covered raisin she was giving me. I mean one raisin wouldn't have hurt, but I was cutting and in my mind at the time ALL sugar was off limits. Finally I took it and said "Fine if you want me to get fat I'll eat it". She was all like "why do you have to be so stubborn?" until I mentioned something about the pot calling the kettle black. That shut her up...hehehe

 

[GMG760]

Yeah I tend to head in that direction as well, too strict I mean. I remember once my wife got all pissed with me because I wouldn't eat this chocolate covered raisin she was giving me. I mean one raisin wouldn't have hurt, but I was cutting and in my mind at the time ALL sugar was off limits. Finally I took it and said "Fine if you want me to get fat I'll eat it". She was all like "why do you have to be so stubborn?" until I mentioned something about the pot calling the kettle black. That shut her up...hehehe

My girlfriend is always messing with my diet. She has the metabolism she had when she was a teenager still. It pisses me off sometimes, but then again I remember that my girlfriend weighs less than 120 lbs, and I could be doing a lot worse. :lol:

 

[TimberLakers]

Yeah I tend to head in that direction as well, too strict I mean. I remember once my wife got all pissed with me because I wouldn't eat this chocolate covered raisin she was giving me. I mean one raisin wouldn't have hurt, but I was cutting and in my mind at the time ALL sugar was off limits. Finally I took it and said "Fine if you want me to get fat I'll eat it". She was all like "why do you have to be so stubborn?" until I mentioned something about the pot calling the kettle black. That shut her up...hehehe

When I gear up for a fight, MAJOR relationship tension from my current girlfriend about how much I eat. I think she wants me to be fat secretly.

 

[KgTomCat]

today actually hasnt been so bad...had a salad and a plate of chicken & mushrooms for lunch. a granola bar for a snack (nature valley, I know, still bad), and I just had 1/2 cup of oatmeal w/a scoop of whey, already drank about 1 gallon today. going to lift in about a hour or so

 

[carib102]

Not too bad at all for the diet today Tom, just watch out for the cravings at night. After 8pm is when my will power is usually really tested. If you still look like your avi then you're gonna get shredded during this cut if you can keep your diet solid bro.

 

[carib102]

My girlfriend is always messing with my diet. She has the metabolism she had when she was a teenager still. It pisses me off sometimes, but then again I remember that my girlfriend weighs less than 120 lbs, and I could be doing a lot worse. :lol:

Yeah, my wife is 15 years younger than me and has a wicked fast metabolism too. It's not as bad (the diet cheating) since I've got her lifting now too, but she can still eat pretty much anything without getting fat. I get pissed sometimes too, but then I remember that she IS 15 years younger than me and I could be doing a lot worse too :wink1:

 

[KgTomCat]

Not too bad at all for the diet today Tom, just watch out for the cravings at night. After 8pm is when my will power is usually really tested. If you still look like your avi then you're gonna get shredded during this cut if you can keep your diet solid bro.

im not too far off...I was 220 in that pic, just finished m Hdrol cycle, I just got done bulking, got to 240, today I weighted 225...
for T-Lake...
Serving Size: 1 tbsp
Calories: 40
Fat: 0
Sodium: 0
Carbs: 11
Sugars: 10
Protein: 0
Ingredients: fruit syrup, apricots, fruit pectin, malic acid, and calcium citrate
-Thats the apricot flavor, either that or blackberry is what I have right now

-my late night cravings actually are almost non-existent, water and a whey shake usually hold me over

 

[KgTomCat]

oh yea....I was prob around 10-12% BF in my avi pic, I have no idea what I am now, but I have ALOT more muscle and know ALOT more about nutrition then before. im hoping this Furaguno turns out to be a good supp, from what Ive read, it is. When its all over, I hope to be at 8-10% BF

 

[GMG760]

Yeah, my wife is 15 years younger than me and has a wicked fast metabolism too. It's not as bad (the diet cheating) since I've got her lifting now too, but she can still eat pretty much anything without getting fat. I get pissed sometimes too, but then I remember that she IS 15 years younger than me and I could be doing a lot worse too :wink1:

Damn, 15 years?!

Good Job dude. :clap2:

 

[carib102]

Damn, 15 years?!

Good Job dude. :clap2:

Thanks man. She's a great girl to put up with me and I'm a hella lucky guy.

 

[GMG760]

Thanks man. She's a great girl to put up with me and I'm a hella lucky guy.

I just did the math you are 42 and she is 27... you sly dog...

I probably went to high-school with her. :lol:

 

[KgTomCat]

just got back...good news and bad, i had a really good WO, not feeling strong but looking fuller and a little leaner. No lethargy at all (thought I would because of my dieting) was sweating like a madman...did 15 min of cardio after a good bi-tri WO, completely KILLED my abs. went to the cafeteria with some friends, was starving, and couldnt resist...they have this new Nature Valley granola cereal, i had 2 bowls , and 2 pieces of white bread with some jelly, and 2 bananas, but thats all. Im starving already...going to have a whey shake, 1 11OXO, fish oil then go to bed. Might bump up the dosage of 11OXO to 6 ED tomorrow....opinions???

 

[thundergod]

The cereal and bananas wasn't so bad bro. The white bread and jelly though....:nono2:
You need to fall in love with apples. You burn more calories eating an apple than the apple affords. I read that in a Muscle and Fitness magazine. Needless to say, I went out and bought a bag of apples!! :laughing:

 

[GMG760]

just got back...good news and bad, i had a really good WO, not feeling strong but looking fuller and a little leaner. No lethargy at all (thought I would because of my dieting) was sweating like a madman...did 15 min of cardio after a good bi-tri WO, completely KILLED my abs. went to the cafeteria with some friends, was starving, and couldnt resist...they have this new Nature Valley granola cereal, i had 2 bowls , and 2 pieces of white bread with some jelly, and 2 bananas, but thats all. Im starving already...going to have a whey shake, 1 11OXO, fish oil then go to bed. Might bump up the dosage of 11OXO to 6 ED tomorrow....opinions???

you are supposed to eat carbs after a workout. Probably not the 100-120grams that you took in, but a good 60-70.

My post workout shake is:

2 bananas 55gm carb, 1gm protein, 0gm fat
1 scoop natty pb - 6 gm carb, 8gm protein, 16gm fat
2 scoops Dymatize 12 hour elite protein - 1 gm carbs, 42 gm protein, 0gm fat
2 cups 1% milk - 16 gm carbs, 11 gm protein, 2.5gram fat

Total - 78 gm carb, 62 gm protein, and 18.5 gm fat.

I could probably do without 10-15 grams of the carbs, but I am not cutting at the moment, and those carbs are a necessity for your insulin post workout.

 

[carib102]

I just did the math you are 42 and she is 27... you sly dog...

I probably went to high-school with her. :lol:

Actually she won't be 27 until March :wink1:

 

[carib102]

just got back...good news and bad, i had a really good WO, not feeling strong but looking fuller and a little leaner. No lethargy at all (thought I would because of my dieting) was sweating like a madman...did 15 min of cardio after a good bi-tri WO, completely KILLED my abs. went to the cafeteria with some friends, was starving, and couldnt resist...they have this new Nature Valley granola cereal, i had 2 bowls , and 2 pieces of white bread with some jelly, and 2 bananas, but thats all. Im starving already...going to have a whey shake, 1 11OXO, fish oil then go to bed. Might bump up the dosage of 11OXO to 6 ED tomorrow....opinions???

Told you to look out for those cravings man, but seriously TG is right. You didn't do too bad with the exception of the white bread and jelly.

GMG is also right, you need carbs after a workout. I am cutting and here's my post workout:

1 banana - 22g carb, 0g protein, 0g fat
1 cup skim milk - 13g carb, 8g protein, 0g fat
1/2 cup oatmeal - 27g carb, 5g protein, 3g fat
2 scoops ON protein - 8g carb, 48g protein, 2g fat

Total = 70g carbs, 61g protein, 5g fat

Granted you're 40lbs heavier than me, but that should still do you for a post workout meal. I will usually wait 2 hours until I eat again, but you could do it sooner if necessary. Typically I will wait until I'm hungry and then wait an additional 30 minutes or so, but that's just me. Also note that that is 1/2 or more of my carb intake 4-5 days a week while cutting.

 

[GMG760]

Told you to look out for those cravings man, but seriously TG is right. You didn't do too bad with the exception of the white bread and jelly.

GMG is also right, you need carbs after a workout. I am cutting and here's my post workout:

1 banana - 22g carb, 0g protein, 0g fat
1 cup skim milk - 13g carb, 8g protein, 0g fat
1/2 cup oatmeal - 27g carb, 5g protein, 3g fat
2 scoops ON protein - 8g carb, 48g protein, 2g fat

Total = 70g carbs, 61g protein, 5g fat

Granted you're 40lbs heavier than me, but that should still do you for a post workout meal. I will usually wait 2 hours until I eat again, but you could do it sooner if necessary. Typically I will wait until I'm hungry and then wait an additional 30 minutes or so, but that's just me. Also note that that is 1/2 or more of my carb intake 4-5 days a week while cutting.

That is a better shake for cutting, with half the carbs being from oatmeal, a slow digesting carb.

If you are having carb cravings, try a handful of almonds. PLAIN ALMONDS.
Their fiber content makes the carb content almost negligible as long as you don't overdo it.

Works like a charm for me.

 

[TimberLakers]

The cereal and bananas wasn't so bad bro. The white bread and jelly though....:nono2:
You need to fall in love with apples. You burn more calories eating an apple than the apple affords. I read that in a Muscle and Fitness magazine. Needless to say, I went out and bought a bag of apples!! :laughing:

You sure that wasn't celery killer? Apples are pretty high in calories and fructose...

 

[TimberLakers]

you are supposed to eat carbs after a workout. Probably not the 100-120grams that you took in, but a good 60-70.

My post workout shake is:

2 bananas 55gm carb, 1gm protein, 0gm fat
1 scoop natty pb - 6 gm carb, 8gm protein, 16gm fat
2 scoops Dymatize 12 hour elite protein - 1 gm carbs, 42 gm protein, 0gm fat
2 cups 1% milk - 16 gm carbs, 11 gm protein, 2.5gram fat

Total - 78 gm carb, 62 gm protein, and 18.5 gm fat.

I could probably do without 10-15 grams of the carbs, but I am not cutting at the moment, and those carbs are a necessity for your insulin post workout.

I love that you probably bought a blender buddy.

That shake looks familar. :lol:

 

[TimberLakers]

Yeah, Tom... The white bread wasn't great, but you picked a good time to eat a crap food... On your first part of a weight cut, the meals before and after your workout should be affected the least. I'm sure the cereal had a good amount of sugar in it too...

If you eat that EVERY day, you aren't going to like your results, but just chalk that up to being your cheat day - and churn out a perfect week.

 

[TimberLakers]

That is a better shake for cutting, with half the carbs being from oatmeal, a slow digesting carb.

If you are having carb cravings, try a handful of almonds. PLAIN ALMONDS.
Their fiber content makes the carb content almost negligible as long as you don't overdo it.

Works like a charm for me.

I totally overdo nuts... I have to literally pour some into a bowl before I go sit on the couch and leave the bag on the counter - otherwise I'm going to f*ck up a half pound.

 

[thundergod]

You sure that wasn't celery killer? Apples are pretty high in calories and fructose...

No, brother it was apples. They're mostly fiber and water. My friend showed it to me in his Muscle and Fitness mag.
But, yes, celery was also on that list. But I fukkin hate celery!!! :thumbsdown: :yuck:

 

[TimberLakers]

No, brother it was apples. They're mostly fiber and water. My friend showed it to me in his Muscle and Fitness mag.
But, yes, celery was also on that list. But I fukkin hate celery!!! :thumbsdown: :yuck:

Crap, I love apples dude... I gotta hop on that train.

Thunda - have you ever tried a Honeycrisp apple? If you EVER FIND THEM... BUY 50!

They are the most delicious thing since candy corn.... You'll thank me. :tongue-tied:

 

[KgTomCat]

The cereal and bananas wasn't so bad bro. The white bread and jelly though....:nono2:
You need to fall in love with apples. You burn more calories eating an apple than the apple affords. I read that in a Muscle and Fitness magazine. Needless to say, I went out and bought a bag of apples!! :laughing:

this is a big issue Ive read arguments about...i read u wanted to spike your insulin first thing after a WO...with some source of sugar. I recently read in a magazine that you should not have fruit, instead have white break, white rice, gatorade, table sugar, or dextrose. This is why I had the white bread and jelly

 

[KgTomCat]

Guys!!! i know the first thing you want to do is spike your insulin, and have fast digesting carbs....why oatmeal? a slow burning carb
This article is in Muscle Mag by the way....says NO fruit, NO milk, NO slow digesting carbs (wheat bread, oatmeal)...so right not, Im confused as hell

 

[AZMIDLYF]

Apples are one of the lower GI fruits...

 

[KgTomCat]

usually my post WO would be....
2 scoops whey (50 g) w/water
1 banana or 1 apple
1/2 cup of oatmeal

but with what Im reading, it seems everything Ive been doing is wrong...:wtf: