Bulbine

[Jiigzz]

More than likely your HPTA is outta whack from the cycle

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

More than likely your HPTA is outta whack from the cycle

What blood test do I run to see if it is or is not out of whack?

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

I think that my libido is finally coming back. This morning i woke up with an erection and made love to my sexy Thai girl friend. Mmm she was so delicious.

But this is after 7 days of another PCT of 50mg of Clomid for the first 5 days, then reduced it to 25mg, 40mg of Novla for the past 7 days, reduced Bulbine to 1 capsule for the past 4 days and yesterday I started DAA again.

 

[musclefool]

I think that my libido is finally coming back. This morning i woke up with an erection and made love to my sexy Thai girl friend. Mmm she was so delicious. But this is after 7 days of another PCT of 50mg of Clomid for the first 5 days, then reduced it to 25mg, 40mg of Novla for the past 7 days, reduced Bulbine to 1 capsule for the past 4 days and yesterday I started DAA again.

Have you tried torem for pct?

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Have you tried torem for pct?

No, put i have some liquid Torem. How does it work and why should I use it instead of clomid and novla?

 

[musclefool]

No, put i have some liquid Torem. How does it work and why should I use it instead of clomid and novla?

Well torem for me was extremely helpful in recovering. I always used Clomid but I felt like it was a waste and I was always moody. But for torem it helped my boys come back within two weeks which for me is a record, and you feel better during the day and during sleep. Just a preference for me

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Well torem for me was extremely helpful in recovering. I always used Clomid but I felt like it was a waste and I was always moody. But for torem it helped my boys come back within two weeks which for me is a record, and you feel better during the day and during sleep. Just a preference for me

Im going to give it another 2 weeks. Im feeling better. Just sexed my girl again. So i guess im on the road to recovery.

 

[Jiigzz]

What blood test do I run to see if it is or is not out of whack?

LH, FSH etc.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

LH, FSH etc.

Thank u

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Im dropping the Bulbine today guys. Sorry, it was a waste.

 

[jbryand101b]

Im dropping the Bulbine today guys. Sorry, it was a waste.

Send leftovers to me please.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Send leftovers to me please.

Sure send me your addy.

 

[kisaj]

The search continues....

 

[warbird01]

Im dropping the Bulbine today guys. Sorry, it was a waste.

Bulbine didn't have steroid or viagra-like effects.

It was a waste

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Bulbine didn't have steroid or viagra-like effects.

It was a waste

Are you being facetious? All the claims I have read on it said that it would increase testosterone by over 50% and yes, they said I would have hours of erections. Sounded too good to be true but as usual I got suckered in again. If my testosterone levels were 539 before I took it, then my math tells me that it should be 808.5 afterward. I take bloods Monday but I can tell you I dont feel like Im at 808.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Bulbine didn't have steroid or viagra-like effects.

It was a waste

Other studies looking at testosterone levels note increases of up to 346% of control level in male rats at 50mg/kg bodyweight,[7] although 100mg/kg has been associated with a non-significant decline in testosterone levels below control.
http://examine.com/supplements/Bulbine+natalensis/

 

[warbird01]

Are you being facetious? All the claims I have read on it said that it would increase testosterone by over 50% and yes, they said I would have hours of erections. Sounded too good to be true but as usual I got suckered in again. If my testosterone levels were 539 before I took it, then my math tells me that it should be 808.5 afterward. I take bloods Monday but I can tell you I dont feel like Im at 808.

You have been running cycles for 4 straight years. You aren't gonna notice **** from almost any OTC supp

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

You have been running cycles for 4 straight years. You aren't gonna notice **** from almost any OTC supp

Why?

 

[kisaj]

Probably because 90% of OTC stuff is crap and only tries to mimic what a real cycle does. You already know what a cycle feels like and does, so OTC is not going to compare or feel like it is doing anything.

 

[AndroRage]

Has anyone ever used bulbine and had bloods done after a number of weeks? Have considered SNS product but not sure what to think of bulbine in general...

 

[mechka_grizli]

Has anyone ever used bulbine and had bloods done after a number of weeks? Have considered SNS product but not sure what to think of bulbine in general...

I have never seen bloods from just bulbine. But, there is a product called Phytoserms-347 that is highly spoke about on other forums. Plenty of bloods from that product, however it is a blend of Bulbine and Divanil

 

[chedapalooza]

Has anyone ever used bulbine and had bloods done after a number of weeks? Have considered SNS product but not sure what to think of bulbine in general...

I have never seen bloods from just bulbine. But, there is a product called Phytoserms-347 that is highly spoke about on other forums. Plenty of bloods from that product, however it is a blend of Bulbine and Divanil

I used ergo test which is mostly bulbine, zinc, d3, and some herbal estrogen regulators. The product was supposed to boost free and total test and regulate estrogen. I had bloods done twice (as I was beginning to explore possibility of TRT) my free and total test went down during my 4 week run of the product, and my e2 increased and I held lots of water. That's my 2 cents on a bulbine based product. I've been told from reputable sources that herbal anti estrogens can actually lower test... Why or how, I'm not sure. I think there's much better options out there than bulbine and personally will stay away from it now

 

[mechka_grizli]

I used ergo test which is mostly bulbine, zinc, d3, and some herbal estrogen regulators. The product was supposed to boost free and total test and regulate estrogen. I had bloods done twice (as I was beginning to explore possibility of TRT) my free and total test went down during my 4 week run of the product, and my e2 increased and I held lots of water. That's my 2 cents on a bulbine based product. I've been told from reputable sources that herbal anti estrogens can actually lower test... Why or how, I'm not sure. I think there's much better options out there than bulbine and personally will stay away from it now

In all fairness, the amount of bulbine in that product is not listed. As stated above, Bulbine follows a dosing curve. Too much could give a negative affect. You could very well have been dosing too much for your bodyweight

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Probably because 90% of OTC stuff is crap and only tries to mimic what a real cycle does. You already know what a cycle feels like and does, so OTC is not going to compare or feel like it is doing anything.

About a year or so ago, I was off cycle and was on just Prolactrone, Unleashed and DAA. I was jerking off like a mad man, and I'm 44 now, I was about 43 or 42 then. I don't expect anything OTC to be like AAS; but when you promise 50%-346% increase in Testosterone levels you should be able to back it up.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Has anyone ever used bulbine and had bloods done after a number of weeks? Have considered SNS product but not sure what to think of bulbine in general...

I used Bulbine for about 3 weeks. The first week I was taking 2 caps, the next two weeks I went down to 1. I stopped yesterday and Monday I'm getting bloods. I will keep you posted. I weigh 186 lbs. and am now 10.3% body fat, I'm a 44 year old male. I have only been on AAS for about 4 years. The year before that I tried prohormones and although I got huge they shut me down bad. I was missing that bulk recently and wanted to do another cycle, this time with better support and PCT but I have now decided against it. My next cycle will be 800mg of Masteron ethonate twice per week and 250mg Test ethonate once per week. I just dont know how much AI I should use with this. I will start in January.

 

[Beau]

I used Bulbine for about 3 weeks. The first week I was taking 2 caps, the next two weeks I went down to 1. I stopped yesterday and Monday I'm getting bloods. I will keep you posted. I weigh 186 lbs. and am now 10.3% body fat, I'm a 44 year old male. I have only been on AAS for about 4 years. The year before that I tried prohormones and although I got huge they shut me down bad. I was missing that bulk recently and wanted to do another cycle, this time with better support and PCT but I have now decided against it. My next cycle will be 800mg of Masteron ethonate twice per week and 250mg Test ethonate once per week. I just dont know how much AI I should use with this. I will start in January.

Its none of my business, but you might want to consider how much time you are taking off between cycles - to allow some type of homeostasis.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Its none of my business, but you might want to consider how much time you are taking off between cycles - to allow some type of homeostasis.

No dude I appreciate your concern. many people have told me the same thing. The longest I have been off is 8 weeks. This time I will be off 13 weeks before going back on. I have been off cycle now for 7 weeks and off PCT for 3 weeks but I had to run another mini PCT.

 

[Beau]

Any concern you will negatively impact the HPTA to the point you will not recover?

That is a lot.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Any concern you will negatively impact the HPTA to the point you will not recover?

That is a lot.

Yes; but I dont want to over rate this. I have been using AAS for only 4 years. Now while everyone is different, the chances of getting totally shut down for good considering I never did AAS in my youth is small IMO. Right now my Total Test and Free Test are where they should be for my age. I will also check LH and FSH on Monday.

 

[jbryand101b]

I have never seen bloods from just bulbine. But, there is a product called Phytoserms-347 that is highly spoke about on other forums. Plenty of bloods from that product, however it is a blend of Bulbine and Divanil

Probably contains other non disclosed ingredients.

 

[jbryand101b]

No dude I appreciate your concern. many people have told me the same thing. The longest I have been off is 8 weeks. This time I will be off 13 weeks before going back on. I have been off cycle now for 7 weeks and off PCT for 3 weeks but I had to run another mini PCT.

Unless you want to go on hrt, you need like a year or so off imo.

 

[Jiigzz]

Why?

Bulbine follows a bell-curve meaning that if you use to much, test can actually decrease.

 

[warbird01]

About a year or so ago, I was off cycle and was on just Prolactrone, Unleashed and DAA. I was jerking off like a mad man, and I'm 44 now, I was about 43 or 42 then. I don't expect anything OTC to be like AAS; but when you promise 50%-346% increase in Testosterone levels you should be able to back it up.

SNS doesn't make any claims of %s of raised test.

 

[warbird01]

Yes; but I dont want to over rate this. I have been using AAS for only 4 years. Now while everyone is different, the chances of getting totally shut down for good considering I never did AAS in my youth is small IMO. Right now my Total Test and Free Test are where they should be for my age. I will also check LH and FSH on Monday.

Are you serious? You think your chances of getting shut down are small?

You are 44 years old. Your chances of recovering are actually probably pretty low.
You barely take ANY breaks. That is straight up retarded, you are asking to be permanently shut down.
Seriously dude, you just throw random **** into your body. Have an intelligent plan when you run ****. Take more than 8 weeks off between cycles. Don't run DNP, clen, t3, and all that **** at the same time, ect.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Are you serious? You think your chances of getting shut down are small? You are 44 years old. Your chances of recovering are actually probably pretty low. You barely take ANY breaks. That is straight up retarded, you are asking to be permanently shut down. Seriously dude, you just throw random **** into your body. Have an intelligent plan when you run ****. Take more than 8 weeks off between cycles. Don't run DNP, clen, t3, and all that **** at the same time, ect.

Duly noted my friend.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Just got my yearly physical and asked to have the following checked:

Total Testosterone
Free Testosterone
Total Estrogen
Prolactine
LH
FSH
Cortisol
LDL
HDL
Vitamin D

Did I miss anything?
Right now I am on an extended PCT, week 6 total (week 2 of extended) where I'm was doing 50mg of Clomid per day the first 5 days of my extended PCT and 40mg of Novledex everyday, 3mg DAA and 1 pill of Bulbine, and 10,000mg of Vitamin D Then for the next 2 weeks 25mg of Clomid and 40mg of Novladex, 3mg of DAA and 1 pill of Bulbine for about 3 days and then I stopped because I felt nothing or close to nothing and 10,000mg of Vitamin D.

My post regular PCT, my results came back as Total Test-539, Free Test 12.8, Prolactine 4.8 and Total Estrogen 25. My libido is about 75% back.
My cycle was 500mg of Test Ethonate per week, 300mg of Deca per week, 250IUs of HCG per week, 3 pills of Unleashed everyday, 12.5mg of Aromasine everyday and .5mg of Cabergoline every 4th day. The Unleashed turned out to be BS as my 12.8 Free Test lab results told me and the Aromasine was also bunk as my post cycle bloods showed Estrogen at 250.

I was going to go back on cycle in December with Beastdrol; but was persuaded not to. Now I will wait until January and do 800mg of Masteron Ethonate every 5 days and 250mg of Testosterone Ethonate every week. I'm not quit sure what I will use or how much to use for an AI with that. Any suggestions? I plan on taking Prolactrone during as well just for good measure even though I'm taking any nanodrols. I will also do 250IUs of HCG. I will be testing Endosurge and will be logging my results. If I like it I will be using that while on cycle as well. For PCT I will probably do Novladex this time at 40mg for 6 weeks as well as continue the Prolactrone and Endosurge and add DAA.
Today I started my 3 days carb fast and 4th day refeed. I will try this for about 2 weeks and see how I fair. I am down to 10.3% body fat at 187lbs. and I would like to get down to 8.5%. I plan on using some T3 once I buy it but not until I see how this diet works first. For cardio I will be doing 4 sets of 1 minute sprints 4 times per week for 2 weeks and then increase it to twice per day in week 3-4. Ab work will be Ab Machine of 4 sets of 10 at 110 lbs. once per week, 4 sets of 35-50 (as I build up weekly) sit ups once per week, 4 sets of 30-45 crunches once per week, and 4 sets of 25-40 leg raisers once per week.
Weight training will be the same.
Any comments?

 

[fightbackhxc]

Just got my yearly physical and asked to have the following checked:

Total Testosterone
Free Testosterone
Total Estrogen
Prolactine
LH
FSH
Cortisol
LDL
HDL
Vitamin D

Did I miss anything?
Right now I am on an extended PCT, week 6 total (week 2 of extended) where I'm was doing 50mg of Clomid per day the first 5 days of my extended PCT and 40mg of Novledex everyday, 3mg DAA and 1 pill of Bulbine, and 10,000mg of Vitamin D Then for the next 2 weeks 25mg of Clomid and 40mg of Novladex, 3mg of DAA and 1 pill of Bulbine for about 3 days and then I stopped because I felt nothing or close to nothing and 10,000mg of Vitamin D.

My post regular PCT, my results came back as Total Test-539, Free Test 12.8, Prolactine 4.8 and Total Estrogen 25. My libido is about 75% back.
My cycle was 500mg of Test Ethonate per week, 300mg of Deca per week, 250IUs of HCG per week, 3 pills of Unleashed everyday, 12.5mg of Aromasine everyday and .5mg of Cabergoline every 4th day. The Unleashed turned out to be BS as my 12.8 Free Test lab results told me and the Aromasine was also bunk as my post cycle bloods showed Estrogen at 250.

I was going to go back on cycle in December with Beastdrol; but was persuaded not to. Now I will wait until January and do 800mg of Masteron Ethonate every 5 days and 250mg of Testosterone Ethonate every week. I'm not quit sure what I will use or how much to use for an AI with that. Any suggestions? I plan on taking Prolactrone during as well just for good measure even though I'm taking any nanodrols. I will also do 250IUs of HCG. I will be testing Endosurge and will be logging my results. If I like it I will be using that while on cycle as well. For PCT I will probably do Novladex this time at 40mg for 6 weeks as well as continue the Prolactrone and Endosurge and add DAA.
Today I started my 3 days carb fast and 4th day refeed. I will try this for about 2 weeks and see how I fair. I am down to 10.3% body fat at 187lbs. and I would like to get down to 8.5%. I plan on using some T3 once I buy it but not until I see how this diet works first. For cardio I will be doing 4 sets of 1 minute sprints 4 times per week for 2 weeks and then increase it to twice per day in week 3-4. Ab work will be Ab Machine of 4 sets of 10 at 110 lbs. once per week, 4 sets of 35-50 (as I build up weekly) sit ups once per week, 4 sets of 30-45 crunches once per week, and 4 sets of 25-40 leg raisers once per week.
Weight training will be the same.
Any comments?

Looks pretty thorough i would always be interested in levels of c reactive protein.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Looks pretty thorough i would always be interested in levels of c reactive protein.

Why?

 

[Beau]

Why?

Because it is an excellent indicator of cardiovascular inflammation, and a known marker for heart disease.

And I agree.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

Because it is an excellent indicator of cardiovascular inflammation, and a known marker for heart disease.

And I agree.

Ok, is this something that is normally tested or do you guys want me to get it tested for some other reason?

 

[kisaj]

Ok, is this something that is normally tested or do you guys want me to get it tested for some other reason?

LOL, brotha- do you have a doctor? You come in here for advice all the time and never indicate why you are doing whatever it is you are doing. You just seem to randomly take things, then quit, and then search for something else. Why not stop everything for a while and get straightened out, then get labs, and discuss options with an actual doctor?

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

LOL, brotha- do you have a doctor? You come in here for advice all the time and never indicate why you are doing whatever it is you are doing. You just seem to randomly take things, then quit, and then search for something else. Why not stop everything for a while and get straightened out, then get labs, and discuss options with an actual doctor?

Yes I do; but most doctors are not sympathetic to my issues.
What am I trying to do? Im trying to gain or maintain muscle, lower body fat and keep my libido up? Is that unusual? LOL!!
By the way, my body fat is down to 10% now.

I have been off cycle for 7 weeks and dont plan to go on again until January.

 

[kisaj]

I was referring to the different supplements, not your end goal. Good to hear you have a doc.

 

[Beau]

FWIW - I have a C-Reactive Protein panel done w/ every bllod test.

I do not know the extent to which there may be greater inflamation/cardio stress as a result of a cycle; that said, I would "guess" there is.

CRP is a much better marker than Cholesterol.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

FWIW - I have a C-Reactive Protein panel done w/ every bllod test.

I do not know the extent to which there may be greater inflamation/cardio stress as a result of a cycle; that said, I would "guess" there is.

CRP is a much better marker than Cholesterol.

Would a cardio gram and sono gram do as well?

 

[Beau]

Would a cardio gram and sono gram do as well?

They measure different things.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

They measure different things.

Ok, next time then. Thank u

 

[T-Bone]

Yes I do; but most doctors are not sympathetic to my issues.

So, do you think some random internet forum member has your best interests at heart?. I doubt it. If you don't like your doctor, find one you like. Medical questions, like what blood work or tests should I run, are better left to professionals than those on an internet message board.

 

[JoeBrooklyn]

So, do you think some random internet forum member has your best interests at heart?. I doubt it. If you don't like your doctor, find one you like. Medical questions, like what blood work or tests should I run, are better left to professionals than those on an internet message board.

Yes, I can see it now. I go to the internet. Find a GP, walk into his office and say: "Doc, I want to take steroids to get big and cut and powerful and I need for you to give me prescriptions for Test Ethonate, Deca, Dbol, T3, Clen and a whole bunch of other stuff as well as PCT and support stuff like Clomid and Caber and I want you to monitor me and give me advice on how I can get my perfect body."

And he will say; Joe, that sounds great! Let's do it.

From my experience with most doctors they are totally against it. The closest I got was a doctor prescribing HCG.

 

[T-Bone]

Yes, I can see it now. I go to the internet. Find a GP, walk into his office and say: "Doc, I want to take steroids to get big and cut and powerful and I need for you to give me prescriptions for Test Ethonate, Deca, Dbol, T3, Clen and a whole bunch of other stuff as well as PCT and support stuff like Clomid and Caber and I want you to monitor me and give me advice on how I can get my perfect body."

And he will say; Joe, that sounds great! Let's do it.

From my experience with most doctors they are totally against it. The closest I got was a doctor prescribing HCG.

You misunderstood my post. I wasn't saying to ask your doctor for prescriptions for anabolics. If you do happen to use anabolics though, you should be honest about it with your doctor.