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what are your opinions on this? I say brazilian jiujitsu.
no, no, no. you've got it all wrong try female jello wrestling. saw it at a party one time it was great. :head:female pillow fighting or perhaps female oil wrestling
Best martial art for what, street fighting, mma, point karate, wellness, etc?what are your opinions on this? I say brazilian jiujitsu.
Those were martial arts masters? lol Vale Tudo isn't really an art per se, so I'd side with mma. It incorporates aspects from Judo, wrestling, Muay Thai, Sambo, bjj, etc. The experience, skill and abilities of a practioner are far more important than the art in which they train. Of course the ultimate martial art is Krav Maga, just ask any practioner and they'll set you straight.Vale tudo.. they did put all the martial arts masters in a cage and royce gracie beat em all
Forgive me, but :lol: I'm not signing up in a martial arts class where we take turns kickin' each others nutz! LOL.Combat Ki.
Able to withstand kicks the groin and blows to the throat and all deadly points on human body.
Real cool and deadly.
http://tapout.association.users.btopenworld.com/ValeTudo.htmForgive me, but :lol: I'm not signing up in a martial arts class where we take turns kickin' each others nutz! LOL.
I'd have a hard time naming one because certain ma's will work better for certain people. I.E. I can box and grapple but my legs are so inflexible I could never be a great with my legs. But, I'll give a list of things I"d like to take to give myself a well-rounded set of fighting skills.
Stand up:
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Western Boxing & Muay Thai mix
Grappling:
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Wrestling & BJJ mix
A combination of those four, IMHO, would make most people really capable fighters.
A near perfect mix, IMO, and the integration of certain elements those pretty much defines modern MMA. Whatever you train though, needs to be trained live and with sparring, rather than just drills and patterns.Stand up:
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Western Boxing & Muay Thai mix
Grappling:
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Wrestling & BJJ mix
A combination of those four, IMHO, would make most people really capable fighters.
You look at any high level MMA fighter, and those are the skills they utilize, alot of times they will be at an elite level in 1 of the 4 disciplines, but skilled in the other 3.A near perfect mix, IMO, and the integration of certain elements those pretty much defines modern MMA. Whatever you train though, needs to be trained live and with sparring, rather than just drills and patterns.
IMO Chuck's ground game is sub-par. He's very good at keeping the fight from going to the ground, but not good at grappling.You look at any high level MMA fighter, and those are the skills they utilize, alot of times they will be at an elite level in 1 of the 4 disciplines, but skilled in the other 3.
think yoshida, chuck lidell, fedor, crop cop, nog, bj penn
Yeah, I thought about vale tudo, but IMHO, that's like learning for a "jack of all trades"....catch my drift?
Nice quoteThe art of fighting.....without really fighting
Exactly, the best style is to be without a style. The martial artist who understands both the strengths and weaknesses of the various styles but does not limit himself to one, has the best style...it's all about being fluid.I think it is impossible to pick one art over all the others. Each has strengths and weaknesses.
Exactly, the best style is to be without a style. The martial artist who understands both the strengths and weaknesses of the various styles but does not limit himself to one, has the best style...it's all about being fluid.
The reality of kicking is that it's not all that great. Mixed martial arts these days is more and more starting to resemble a fusion of boxing and wrestling, with a few chokes added in. Very rarely you will see someone get caught wildly off guard with a head kick, and a lot of guys these days are countering leg kicks with "pre-emptive" punches. On the ground, submissions aren't seen very often as they tend to take a long time to set up and are easily counterd if you know what the hell is going on. The only submission which is commonly seen these days is the rear naked choke, since that's insanely hard to get out of if someone has your back. Most of the time now a days if the fight goes to the ground, one guy will try and work the guard, and wear his opponent down while the other guy tries to pass the guard, mount and ground'n'pound, until someone stands up. Elbows and knees are useful but you can't knee to the head while your opponent is down, and IIRC there are some restrictions on elbows too. It's a shame there are rules against head butts tooStand up:
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Western Boxing & Muay Thai mix
Grappling:
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Wrestling & BJJ mix
A combination of those four, IMHO, would make most people really capable fighters.
very true, but most people in a street fight do not expect the thai kick to the inner and outter thigh muscle and how quickly it will put a halt to all other hostilities.The reality of kicking is that it's not all that great. Mixed martial arts these days is more and more starting to resemble a fusion of boxing and wrestling, with a few chokes added in. Very rarely you will see someone get caught wildly off guard with a head kick, and a lot of guys these days are countering leg kicks with "pre-emptive" punches. On the ground, submissions aren't seen very often as they tend to take a long time to set up and are easily counterd if you know what the hell is going on. The only submission which is commonly seen these days is the rear naked choke, since that's insanely hard to get out of if someone has your back. Most of the time now a days if the fight goes to the ground, one guy will try and work the guard, and wear his opponent down while the other guy tries to pass the guard, mount and ground'n'pound, until someone stands up. Elbows and knees are useful but you can't knee to the head while your opponent is down, and IIRC there are some restrictions on elbows too. It's a shame there are rules against head butts too
So these days, if you know how to box and wrestle, and you know how to *DEFEND* against kicks and submissions, you will do just fine.
I think we need to make a difference between MMA and self defense. There are rules in any type of competition that limit what you can do. MMA is not really no holds barred as people like to refer to it as. If I was fighting for my life I'd be biting, gouging out an eye or giving shots to the groin.
Everyone has a different reason or goal for doing martial arts or a particular style. The best martial art for one person may not be the best for another.
I remember a quote from somewhere that said "It only takes a short time to become a fighter but a lifetime to become a martial artist"
What groundwork??If I had to pick just one, I'd say sambo/judo. Great groundwork like BJJ, but they can control where the fight goes better(takedowns/throws).
Because like many styles out their they have been watered down for one reason or another to a flashy little number to get the most paying customer through the door as possible. This is not true martial arts.Then how come nobody wins fights with capoeira or tai chi?