Yes I use to use Armour was on 4 grains and my Free T3 was at the top of the range but I was hyper all that time and blamed it on Estradiol being high. The FDA pulls Armour a few yrs. back and we had to scramble to find NTH meds. So most of use being mod's went on Synthroid adding Cytomel 5mcgs 4x’s /day. So today I am on 150 mcgs. of Synthroid and the Cytomel T3 4x's / day.
Later one a new study came saying this combo is working better then NTH meds and I agree.
http://thyroid.about.com/b/2010/05/17/t3-superior-t4-levothyroxine-hypothyroidism-thyroid.htm?nl=1
As for Preg. I do Life Flo Health, Organic Living, Pregnenolone, 2 oz (57 g) One pump / day. And in time my Prog. levels when up pasted mid range and this is helping to keep my E2 levels down.
I have a lot on my plate being Hypopituitary my Pituitary dose not tell my body to make enough hormones.
Here is a copy of my meds and supplements.
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PHILIP’S MED’S
• Aromasin or the generic 25 mgs. up to 3x’s/day or as needed.
• Aspirin 81 mg 2x’s/day.
• Alprazolam(Xanax) .25 mg. 4x’s/day.
• Atenolol 25 mg. 2x/day morning and noon for heart beta-blocker.
• Triamterene/HCTZ 37.5/25 mgs. Everyday.
• Cialis 5 mgs / day for BP and BPH.
• Testosterone Cypionate 200mgs/ml. at .4 ml. or 80 mgs shot every 3 days subQ.
• Pregnyl Mdv/ inj 10 ml. HCG shot 250 IU’s E3D the day before Testosterone shot.
• Celebrex 200 mgs. 2x/day morning and dinner.
• Hydrocortisone (Cortef) 30 mgs. total 10 mgs morning, 5mgs at 9am, 5 mgs at 1pm, 5 mgs at 6pm and 5mgs at bedtime.
• Florinef .1 mgs. 1x’s/day with ½ tsp. of Sea Salt added to water 27oz 3 to 4x’s/day.
• Cytomel 5mcgs 4x’s /day.
• Concerta 18 mgs 1x’s /day.
• Synthroid generic 150 mcgs./day.
• Potassium Chloride 20 mgs every other day.
• Ferrous Fumarate Iron pills 324 mgs 1x/day.
• Thera-Gesic Analgesic pain cream morning and dinner for shoulder.
Supplements
• Twinlab, L-Arginine & L-Ornithine, 100 Capsules 1/day at bedtime
• NOW brand ZMA 800mgs 3 at bedtime.
• Copper 2mgs 1 at noon.
• Dr. Cranton's PrimeNutrients 3/day.
• Iodoral Iodine 1 tab / day 12.5 mgs.
• Life Flo Health, Organic Living, Pregnenolone, 2 oz (57 g) One pump / day.
• I went with NOW brand for the following supplements do to a high levels on a Homocysteine Cardiovascular and below normal level of Folate RBC labs.
• TMG 750mg 1pm and 11pm 2 pills a day.
• Solary Super Bio C 2 x’s/day 1000 mgs. Total I don’t take this is my B vit.’s.
• Life Extension, Vitamin D3, 2,000 IU, 1 fl oz 16 drops / day morning.
• Thorne Research, Folacal, 60 Veggie Caps
• Now Foods, Melatonin, 3 mg, 60 Capsules
• The Real Food Trading Company, Himalayan Pink Sea Salt
• NAC N-Acetyl Cysteine, Selenium, Molybdenum - 600 mg. 3x’s / day.
• B-12 (Brain) Methylcobalamin - 5000 mcg lozenges. 3x’s/week.
• Coenzyme B Complex 2x’s /day.
• Thorne Research, Pyridoxal 5'-Phosphate, 60 Veggie Caps 3x’s / day.
• I am taking 800 mcg. Folacal for low Folate RBC.
The following supplements are for the damage to my muscles from Statin Drugs.
• BioCitrate Selenium - 200 mcg 1x’s / day morning.
• Krill Oil capliques 500 mgs. 1 with food morning mercola.com
• Ubiquinol Capliques Featuring Kaneka's Qh (200mgs) 3x’s/day mercola.com.
• Lecithin From Sunflower NOW brand 1200 mgs 1x’s/day.
• Acetyl-L Carnitine 500 mg 3x’s/day.
• Alpha Lipoic Acid 250 mg/day.
• Life Extension, Super-Absorbable Tocotrienols, 60 Softgels One at dinner.
• Innate Response Formulas, Flora 50-14, Clinical Strength 1/day.
• Now Foods, Super Enzymes, 1 pill before each meal.
• Vitamin K2 Mercoloa.com one / day.
• Source Naturals, Magnesium Bis-Glycinate One 2x’s / day.
Thanks PM.
I have some T3 here, and looking at the myriad of downstream endo disasters from the thyroid, it seems the only way to get back on top of it is to run with T3 for a few weeks and attempt to reboot the thyroid. I drank a litre of soy milk a day for ten years - bye bye optimum thyroid! Iodine gave me a serious boost around the 200mg mark but it did not last, although I should have pressed on with the therapy. I already take selenium and magnesium.
I would suggest the more pronounced the depression from Adex, the more likely the thyroid functioning poorly. That said, it's a catch 22 - endogenous testosterone production has it's own thyroid hormone - TRH. The more you boost your own T, the more likely it is for thyroid to improve. Exogenous T actually lowers thyroid function. In a young male, it's not such a big issue, such is their high level of thyroid function in the first place, but for us older guys it's not so simple. I've been checking my temps recently - the OPTIMAL measure of thyroid function (how many hypos are out there medicating with 'normal' bloods?). About a month ago I could not get out of the 35 degree range. I now post between 36.5 and 37. So something good is happening.
I've found anything over 50 of preg to be over stimulating and suspect cortisol. The discovery that DHEA throws the situation in reverse is an indicator. I'll try a 50mg AM combo and see how it goes.
Have you used t3/4 in the past and do you consider it the precursor of your own issues?