Andros: A User's Guide

[yates84]

Patrick Arnold said
"Androsterone 50 androgenic 30 anabolic

Epiandrosterone 2 androgenic no entry anabolic".

Maybe in their original form? Since they both convert to the same target hormone.

 

[GreenMachineX]

Maybe in their original form? Since they both convert to the same target hormone.

Maybe...?
Any chance OL could release both then???

 

[xtyler]

Maybe in their original form? Since they both convert to the same target hormone.

Since Epiandrosterone is the precursor of the target hormone (DHT), its intrinsic activity is irrelevant....

 

[GreenMachineX]

Since Epiandrosterone is the precursor of the target hormone (DHT), its intrinsic activity is irrelevant....

So all of it converts before having a chance to do anything?

 

[xtyler]

So all of it converts before having a chance to do anything?

That's exactly the idea behind Pro-Hormones: your body converts the precursors into active metabolites exerting the desired effect.
Compounds active in their own right fall into a different category...

 

[jbryand101b]

Ok

Is it safe to use an OTC PCT if i use these Super Andros as directed on the label?

Recommended 100 mg of Super 1 and 4.

For the PCT i have Competitive Edge Labs PCT Assist.

Well 100mg isn't going to do anything
Your really only getting 70 some odd mg's of each.
No gains, no sides, no sides, no pct!

 

[jbryand101b]

I have read a paper that clearly stated 1-andro reduces HDL by about 38%?

Yes, steroids negativity effect cholesterol.

 

[jbryand101b]

Patrick Arnold said
"Androsterone 50 androgenic 30 anabolic

Epiandrosterone 2 androgenic no entry anabolic".

Face palm.

This is androsterone

This is epi androsterone

This is dht

See the 3 position? It has a hydroxy group.

See how one is solid, one isn't? That's differentiating between alpha an beta position.
But it doesn't matter because the target hormone is dht.

Vida numbers should be taken with a grain of salt, there is more to it than you are aware of.

 

[nick76]

I have been looking for a decent writeup on andros for weeks now, and lo and behold, the one and only yates does it again.

 

[GreenMachineX]

Face palm.

This is androsterone

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This is epi androsterone
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This is dht
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I don't understand chemistry like all of you do. Can you explain why it's "face palm" worthy?

 

[thisguycali]

thanks guys.

In the beginner cycle example you gave as 220/220/220/220. Since these super 1 and 4 come in 50mg each pill should i run at 200/200/200/200 or 250/250/250/250?

And for the PCT i could run Nolvadex, could i run the Nolva at the same recommend doses you gave in the example for Clomid?

 

[jbryand101b]

I don't understand chemistry like all of you do. Can you explain why it's "face palm" worthy?

It's face palm because your discussing vida numbers without understanding them.

I have a copy of vida, you have to look at what is being compared, method of administration, then understand that things don't always go how they do in a lab setting.

Epistane according to vida is extremely more potent than pheraplex, and superdrol but we know that isn't the case.

 

[xtyler]

thanks guys.

In the beginner cycle example you gave as 220/220/220/220. Since these super 1 and 4 come in 50mg each pill should i run at 200/200/200/200 or 250/250/250/250?

And for the PCT i could run Nolvadex, could i run the Nolva at the same recommend doses you gave in the example for Clomid?

1-Andro and 4-Andro come in 110mg capsules (hence the 220-330 figures), the Epi-Andro comes in 250mg Capsules.

 

[GreenMachineX]

It's face palm because your discussing vida numbers without understanding them.

Eh, kind of. But isn't that the point? To ask questions to learn more?

 

[jbryand101b]

Eh, kind of. But isn't that the point? To ask questions to learn more?

I guess. It's tough cause I'm lazy an don't want to finger type long explanations on my phone.

Chemistry gets pretty complicated an is tough to discuss explain on my phone.

 

[BamBam0319]

1-Andro and 4-Andro come in 110mg capsules (hence the 220-330 figures), the Epi-Andro comes in 250mg Capsules.

Where?

 

[jbryand101b]

Me personally I'd run 4-dhea at 600-1000mg
And 1-dhea at 500-800mg

 

[afluck410]

Wish someone would come out with a product which that was financially possible ^

 

[deepseajs]

Where?

Andro the giant (4-andro) and super mandro (1-andro) by hrs come in 110mg caps. Their epiandro is called androvar and comes in 100mg caps. Think there are a few other companies that dose this high also.

Looking forward to see what OL brings to the scene!

 

[BamBam0319]

Andro the giant (4-andro) and super mandro (1-andro) by hrs come in 110mg caps. Their epiandro is called androvar and comes in 100mg caps. Think there are a few other companies that dose this high also.

Looking forward to see what OL brings to the scene!

Thanks. I think I've looked into androvar before, I'll probably try that while I wait for OL to come out with their version.

 

[deepseajs]

Thanks. I think I've looked into androvar before, I'll probably try that while I wait for OL to come out with their version.

Ya man I ran all three together and liked it. Saw some decent strength gains mostly. A little size.

 

[BamBam0319]

Ya man I ran all three together and liked it. Saw some decent strength gains mostly. A little size.

I ran epiandro for 4 weeks as part of a product that included epiandro and MK 677. I was limited on Dosing because it was 75mg epiandro and 10mg MK per cap. Didn't want to exceed 20mg MK so I could only run 150mg epiandro. Even then, I saw awesome strength increases and my water retention decreased greatly. Vascularity, definition, it all came through.
I can only imagine what a proper dose will do for me.

 

[yates84]

Thanks. I think I've looked into androvar before, I'll probably try that while I wait for OL to come out with their version.

We will definitely be putting out a very competitive product, you will be happy with the price point and dosages.

 

[deepseajs]

I ran epiandro for 4 weeks as part of a product that included epiandro and MK 677. I was limited on Dosing because it was 75mg epiandro and 10mg MK per cap. Didn't want to exceed 20mg MK so I could only run 150mg epiandro. Even then, I saw awesome strength increases and my water retention decreased greatly. Vascularity, definition, it all came through.
I can only imagine what a proper dose will do for me.

Beast mode for sure

 

[thisguycali]

Im a little confused now.

For the Super 1 Andro, the label says:
3b-enanthoxyandrost-1-en-17-one 50mg
6,7-dihydroxybergamottin 45% 15 mg
Piperine 5 mg

For the Super 4 Andro:
3b-enanthoxyandrost-4-en-17-one 50mg
6,7-dihydroxybergamottin 45% 15 mg
Piperine 5 mg

I thought the 3b-enanthoxyandrost was the chemical of concern. I don't see where it says 110mg? even adding everything active doesn't come up to 110mg.

 

[jbryand101b]

Wish someone would come out with a product which that was financially possible ^

I'm sure you'll see it soon

 

[yates84]

Im a little confused now.

For the Super 1 Andro, the label says:
3b-enanthoxyandrost-1-en-17-one 50mg
6,7-dihydroxybergamottin 45% 15 mg
Piperine 5 mg

For the Super 4 Andro:
3b-enanthoxyandrost-4-en-17-one 50mg
6,7-dihydroxybergamottin 45% 15 mg
Piperine 5 mg

I thought the 3b-enanthoxyandrost was the chemical of concern. I don't see where it says 110mg? even adding everything active doesn't come up to 110mg.

Wow, those doses are low...

 

[jbryand101b]

Im a little confused now.

For the Super 1 Andro, the label says:
3b-enanthoxyandrost-1-en-17-one 50mg
6,7-dihydroxybergamottin 45% 15 mg
Piperine 5 mg

For the Super 4 Andro:
3b-enanthoxyandrost-4-en-17-one 50mg
6,7-dihydroxybergamottin 45% 15 mg
Piperine 5 mg

I thought the 3b-enanthoxyandrost was the chemical of concern. I don't see where it says 110mg? even adding everything active doesn't come up to 110mg.

They're talking about different brands. That's iml you posted.

 

[yates84]

Wow, those doses are low...

Piperine and bergamottin will help prevent breakdown of the compound in the liver but it is still going to make both passes. You will still need 4 to 6 caps at 50mg to see results imo, that might get real expensive and real quick.

 

[BamBam0319]

We will definitely be putting out a very competitive product, you will be happy with the price point and dosages.

Olympus always does, you're not telling me anything new lol

 

[ma70]

Amazing post. I've been reading about this supposed PHs that are "as safe as it gets" (regarding 1-andro) and I'm glad it's all compiled into this post.

 

[jbryand101b]

People don't realize even pp andromass was esterfied 1-dhea&esterfied 4-dhea, 150mg of each with 2 servings a day giving you 300mg each, an you still wanted 2 bottles at least.

 

[DennisTheDane]

Andro the giant (4-andro) and super mandro (1-andro) by hrs come in 110mg caps. Their epiandro is called androvar and comes in 100mg caps. Think there are a few other companies that dose this high also.

Looking forward to see what OL brings to the scene!

They should make some caps with full dose so you should only take lets say 4 tabs a day for full dose

 

[BamBam0319]

Andro the giant (4-andro) and super mandro (1-andro) by hrs come in 110mg caps. Their epiandro is called androvar and comes in 100mg caps. Think there are a few other companies that dose this high also.

Looking forward to see what OL brings to the scene!

They should make some caps with full dose so you should only take lets say 4 tabs a day for full dose

Well with 110 mg for 4-andro and 1-andro and 100mg for epiandro in the products listed above, wouldn't you only be taking 4 caps (maybe more) per day?

 

[deepseajs]

Well with 110 mg for 4-andro and 1-andro and 100mg for epiandro in the products listed above, wouldn't you only be taking 4 caps (maybe more) per day?

Ya if they combined all three into one product that would be cool. It was a pain in the ass taking all those caps. After cycle support and other standard supps like fish oil and multivitamins I think I was taking like 25-30ish caps throughout the day lol. Maybe more idk. Felt like a crackhead

 

[BamBam0319]

Ya if they combined all three into one product that would be cool. It was a pain in the ass taking all those caps. After cycle support and other standard supps like fish oil and multivitamins I think I was taking like 25-30ish caps throughout the day lol. Maybe more idk. Felt like a crackhead

I know exactly how you feel. Even if I'm off cycle or not taking any orals I take a LOT of pills

 

[DennisTheDane]

Well with 110 mg for 4-andro and 1-andro and 100mg for epiandro in the products listed above, wouldn't you only be taking 4 caps (maybe more) per day?

I made a post in here yesterday... If they put all of the stuff in one pill. So you would only need about 4 of them a day..When you take alot of other stuff its a pain with 1000 caps a day.

 

[BamBam0319]

I made a post in here yesterday... If they put all of the stuff in one pill. So you would only need about 4 of them a day..When you take alot of other stuff its a pain with 1000 caps a day.

Oh okay I misunderstood. I was thinking in terms of if you were only running one compound at a time.
Yeah it'd be awesome if you could have all three at good doses in a reasonable amount of pills.

 

[datsthat]

Thanks for the education yates84

 

[jbryand101b]

They should make some caps with full dose so you should only take lets say 4 tabs a day for full dose

You'll want to space dosages out about every 4 hours, with a big dose pre workout.

So probably 220mg 3-4 times a day for each.

 

[DennisTheDane]

You'll want to space dosages out about every 4 hours, with a big dose pre workout.

So probably 220mg 3-4 times a day for each.

¨Would be feckin awesometho

 

[alfeer]

thinking of going into Androvar... first cycle.

mainly to recomp and loose some waist inches. Would BLRs rebirth work instead of Clomid or Nolva?
one more question, for the OCT, as its not liver toxic do you need that?

with Androvar, from what I could read, users didnt report any nasty sides... any advise here is welcome...

 

[yates84]

thinking of going into Androvar... first cycle.

mainly to recomp and loose some waist inches. Would BLRs rebirth work instead of Clomid or Nolva?
one more question, for the OCT, as its not liver toxic do you need that?

with Androvar, from what I could read, users didnt report any nasty sides... any advise here is welcome...

You won't really get too many gains out of androvar, I would definitely stack it with 1 andro. Androvar or epiandro is a good "test base" since it turns into dht and it also stimulates the central nervous system.

 

[GreenMachineX]

Yates,
Could epiandro cause an elevation in total testosterone on blood work do you think?
Or, if it did (as in my case), is there a chance there's something different in the caps? Or, is DHT and testosterone so molecularly close to each other that labs have a difficult time separating the 2 or something? I'm still trying to figure out why my total test levels came back at 1200 when using high doses of epiandro.

 

[yates84]

Yates,
Could epiandro cause an elevation in total testosterone on blood work do you think?
Or, if it did (as in my case), is there a chance there's something different in the caps? Or, is DHT and testosterone so molecularly close to each other that labs have a difficult time separating the 2 or something? I'm still trying to figure out why my total test levels came back at 1200 when using high doses of epiandro.

I don't see how that's possible, epiandro should suppress natural test. Aren't you on trt? There is definitely something else playing a role in your test increase.

 

[GreenMachineX]

I don't see how that's possible, epiandro should suppress natural test. Aren't you on trt? There is definitely something else playing a role in your test increase.

Yes, on Androgel, before using epiandro test level was 350 (applying Androgel on clean shaved skin), on epiandro (same dose of Androgel) test level was 1200, after epiandro (still same dose of Androgel), total test was 155 (applying on clean but completely unshaved skin, and I'm a hairy SOB lol). So, there's a couple minor confounding factors, but obviously the biggest difference points to the epiandro.

 

[yates84]

Yes, on Androgel, before using epiandro test level was 350 (applying Androgel on clean shaved skin), on epiandro (same dose of Androgel) test level was 1200, after epiandro (still same dose of Androgel), total test was 155 (applying on clean but completely unshaved skin, and I'm a hairy SOB lol). So, there's a couple minor confounding factors, but obviously the biggest difference points to the epiandro.

You have definitely got me curious, will look into it and report back

 

[xtyler]

Yes, on Androgel, before using epiandro test level was 350 (applying Androgel on clean shaved skin), on epiandro (same dose of Androgel) test level was 1200, after epiandro (still same dose of Androgel), total test was 155 (applying on clean but completely unshaved skin, and I'm a hairy SOB lol). So, there's a couple minor confounding factors, but obviously the biggest difference points to the epiandro.

I'm not aware of any crossreaction but anything is possible. That being said, your TRT sucks if it keeps you at 155-350. Find a new doc!

 

[GreenMachineX]

You have definitely got me curious, will look into it and report back

Awesome, thanks.

 

[yates84]

I'm not aware of any crossreaction but anything is possible. That being said, your TRT sucks if it keeps you at 155-350. Find a new doc!

I'm interested in what his next bloodwork says with no epiandro again. Could be the Androgel just hadn't reached full saturation and during the test with the epiandro the Androgel had finally reached full saturation. Too many variables with the info we have. GreenMachineX when do you have more bloods lined up?