Maybe in their original form? Since they both convert to the same target hormone.Patrick Arnold said
"Androsterone 50 androgenic 30 anabolic
Epiandrosterone 2 androgenic no entry anabolic".
Maybe in their original form? Since they both convert to the same target hormone.Patrick Arnold said
"Androsterone 50 androgenic 30 anabolic
Epiandrosterone 2 androgenic no entry anabolic".
Maybe...?Maybe in their original form? Since they both convert to the same target hormone.
Since Epiandrosterone is the precursor of the target hormone (DHT), its intrinsic activity is irrelevant....Maybe in their original form? Since they both convert to the same target hormone.
So all of it converts before having a chance to do anything?Since Epiandrosterone is the precursor of the target hormone (DHT), its intrinsic activity is irrelevant....
That's exactly the idea behind Pro-Hormones: your body converts the precursors into active metabolites exerting the desired effect.So all of it converts before having a chance to do anything?
Well 100mg isn't going to do anythingOk
Is it safe to use an OTC PCT if i use these Super Andros as directed on the label?
Recommended 100 mg of Super 1 and 4.
For the PCT i have Competitive Edge Labs PCT Assist.
Yes, steroids negativity effect cholesterol.I have read a paper that clearly stated 1-andro reduces HDL by about 38%?
Face palm.Patrick Arnold said
"Androsterone 50 androgenic 30 anabolic
Epiandrosterone 2 androgenic no entry anabolic".
I don't understand chemistry like all of you do. Can you explain why it's "face palm" worthy?Face palm.
This is androsterone
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This is epi androsterone
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This is dht
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It's face palm because your discussing vida numbers without understanding them.I don't understand chemistry like all of you do. Can you explain why it's "face palm" worthy?
1-Andro and 4-Andro come in 110mg capsules (hence the 220-330 figures), the Epi-Andro comes in 250mg Capsules.thanks guys.
In the beginner cycle example you gave as 220/220/220/220. Since these super 1 and 4 come in 50mg each pill should i run at 200/200/200/200 or 250/250/250/250?
And for the PCT i could run Nolvadex, could i run the Nolva at the same recommend doses you gave in the example for Clomid?
Eh, kind of. But isn't that the point? To ask questions to learn more?It's face palm because your discussing vida numbers without understanding them.
I guess. It's tough cause I'm lazy an don't want to finger type long explanations on my phone.Eh, kind of. But isn't that the point? To ask questions to learn more?
Where?1-Andro and 4-Andro come in 110mg capsules (hence the 220-330 figures), the Epi-Andro comes in 250mg Capsules.
Andro the giant (4-andro) and super mandro (1-andro) by hrs come in 110mg caps. Their epiandro is called androvar and comes in 100mg caps. Think there are a few other companies that dose this high also.Where?
Thanks. I think I've looked into androvar before, I'll probably try that while I wait for OL to come out with their version.Andro the giant (4-andro) and super mandro (1-andro) by hrs come in 110mg caps. Their epiandro is called androvar and comes in 100mg caps. Think there are a few other companies that dose this high also.
Looking forward to see what OL brings to the scene!
Ya man I ran all three together and liked it. Saw some decent strength gains mostly. A little size.Thanks. I think I've looked into androvar before, I'll probably try that while I wait for OL to come out with their version.
I ran epiandro for 4 weeks as part of a product that included epiandro and MK 677. I was limited on Dosing because it was 75mg epiandro and 10mg MK per cap. Didn't want to exceed 20mg MK so I could only run 150mg epiandro. Even then, I saw awesome strength increases and my water retention decreased greatly. Vascularity, definition, it all came through.Ya man I ran all three together and liked it. Saw some decent strength gains mostly. A little size.
We will definitely be putting out a very competitive product, you will be happy with the price point and dosages.Thanks. I think I've looked into androvar before, I'll probably try that while I wait for OL to come out with their version.
Beast mode for sureI ran epiandro for 4 weeks as part of a product that included epiandro and MK 677. I was limited on Dosing because it was 75mg epiandro and 10mg MK per cap. Didn't want to exceed 20mg MK so I could only run 150mg epiandro. Even then, I saw awesome strength increases and my water retention decreased greatly. Vascularity, definition, it all came through.
I can only imagine what a proper dose will do for me.
I'm sure you'll see it soonWish someone would come out with a product which that was financially possible ^
Wow, those doses are low...Im a little confused now.
For the Super 1 Andro, the label says:
3b-enanthoxyandrost-1-en-17-one 50mg
6,7-dihydroxybergamottin 45% 15 mg
Piperine 5 mg
For the Super 4 Andro:
3b-enanthoxyandrost-4-en-17-one 50mg
6,7-dihydroxybergamottin 45% 15 mg
Piperine 5 mg
I thought the 3b-enanthoxyandrost was the chemical of concern. I don't see where it says 110mg? even adding everything active doesn't come up to 110mg.
They're talking about different brands. That's iml you posted.Im a little confused now.
For the Super 1 Andro, the label says:
3b-enanthoxyandrost-1-en-17-one 50mg
6,7-dihydroxybergamottin 45% 15 mg
Piperine 5 mg
For the Super 4 Andro:
3b-enanthoxyandrost-4-en-17-one 50mg
6,7-dihydroxybergamottin 45% 15 mg
Piperine 5 mg
I thought the 3b-enanthoxyandrost was the chemical of concern. I don't see where it says 110mg? even adding everything active doesn't come up to 110mg.
Piperine and bergamottin will help prevent breakdown of the compound in the liver but it is still going to make both passes. You will still need 4 to 6 caps at 50mg to see results imo, that might get real expensive and real quick.Wow, those doses are low...
Olympus always does, you're not telling me anything new lolWe will definitely be putting out a very competitive product, you will be happy with the price point and dosages.
They should make some caps with full dose so you should only take lets say 4 tabs a day for full doseAndro the giant (4-andro) and super mandro (1-andro) by hrs come in 110mg caps. Their epiandro is called androvar and comes in 100mg caps. Think there are a few other companies that dose this high also.
Looking forward to see what OL brings to the scene!
Andro the giant (4-andro) and super mandro (1-andro) by hrs come in 110mg caps. Their epiandro is called androvar and comes in 100mg caps. Think there are a few other companies that dose this high also.
Looking forward to see what OL brings to the scene!
Well with 110 mg for 4-andro and 1-andro and 100mg for epiandro in the products listed above, wouldn't you only be taking 4 caps (maybe more) per day?They should make some caps with full dose so you should only take lets say 4 tabs a day for full dose
Ya if they combined all three into one product that would be cool. It was a pain in the ass taking all those caps. After cycle support and other standard supps like fish oil and multivitamins I think I was taking like 25-30ish caps throughout the day lol. Maybe more idk. Felt like a crackheadWell with 110 mg for 4-andro and 1-andro and 100mg for epiandro in the products listed above, wouldn't you only be taking 4 caps (maybe more) per day?
I know exactly how you feel. Even if I'm off cycle or not taking any orals I take a LOT of pillsYa if they combined all three into one product that would be cool. It was a pain in the ass taking all those caps. After cycle support and other standard supps like fish oil and multivitamins I think I was taking like 25-30ish caps throughout the day lol. Maybe more idk. Felt like a crackhead
I made a post in here yesterday... If they put all of the stuff in one pill. So you would only need about 4 of them a day..When you take alot of other stuff its a pain with 1000 caps a day.Well with 110 mg for 4-andro and 1-andro and 100mg for epiandro in the products listed above, wouldn't you only be taking 4 caps (maybe more) per day?
Oh okay I misunderstood. I was thinking in terms of if you were only running one compound at a time.I made a post in here yesterday... If they put all of the stuff in one pill. So you would only need about 4 of them a day..When you take alot of other stuff its a pain with 1000 caps a day.
You'll want to space dosages out about every 4 hours, with a big dose pre workout.They should make some caps with full dose so you should only take lets say 4 tabs a day for full dose
¨Would be feckin awesomethoYou'll want to space dosages out about every 4 hours, with a big dose pre workout.
So probably 220mg 3-4 times a day for each.
You won't really get too many gains out of androvar, I would definitely stack it with 1 andro. Androvar or epiandro is a good "test base" since it turns into dht and it also stimulates the central nervous system.thinking of going into Androvar... first cycle.
mainly to recomp and loose some waist inches. Would BLRs rebirth work instead of Clomid or Nolva?
one more question, for the OCT, as its not liver toxic do you need that?
with Androvar, from what I could read, users didnt report any nasty sides... any advise here is welcome...
I don't see how that's possible, epiandro should suppress natural test. Aren't you on trt? There is definitely something else playing a role in your test increase.Yates,
Could epiandro cause an elevation in total testosterone on blood work do you think?
Or, if it did (as in my case), is there a chance there's something different in the caps? Or, is DHT and testosterone so molecularly close to each other that labs have a difficult time separating the 2 or something? I'm still trying to figure out why my total test levels came back at 1200 when using high doses of epiandro.
Yes, on Androgel, before using epiandro test level was 350 (applying Androgel on clean shaved skin), on epiandro (same dose of Androgel) test level was 1200, after epiandro (still same dose of Androgel), total test was 155 (applying on clean but completely unshaved skin, and I'm a hairy SOB lol). So, there's a couple minor confounding factors, but obviously the biggest difference points to the epiandro.I don't see how that's possible, epiandro should suppress natural test. Aren't you on trt? There is definitely something else playing a role in your test increase.
You have definitely got me curious, will look into it and report backYes, on Androgel, before using epiandro test level was 350 (applying Androgel on clean shaved skin), on epiandro (same dose of Androgel) test level was 1200, after epiandro (still same dose of Androgel), total test was 155 (applying on clean but completely unshaved skin, and I'm a hairy SOB lol). So, there's a couple minor confounding factors, but obviously the biggest difference points to the epiandro.
I'm not aware of any crossreaction but anything is possible. That being said, your TRT sucks if it keeps you at 155-350. Find a new doc!Yes, on Androgel, before using epiandro test level was 350 (applying Androgel on clean shaved skin), on epiandro (same dose of Androgel) test level was 1200, after epiandro (still same dose of Androgel), total test was 155 (applying on clean but completely unshaved skin, and I'm a hairy SOB lol). So, there's a couple minor confounding factors, but obviously the biggest difference points to the epiandro.
Awesome, thanks.You have definitely got me curious, will look into it and report back
I'm interested in what his next bloodwork says with no epiandro again. Could be the Androgel just hadn't reached full saturation and during the test with the epiandro the Androgel had finally reached full saturation. Too many variables with the info we have. GreenMachineX when do you have more bloods lined up?I'm not aware of any crossreaction but anything is possible. That being said, your TRT sucks if it keeps you at 155-350. Find a new doc!
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