AutoKal: Thanks for the candid NO SPIN feedback. This boards needs more of this! No need to trash a product if you don't like it. Conversely, no need to HYPE it if it didnt work for you. We al work hard for our money, so honest yet respectful/classy (unsolicited) product feedback is invaluable around here.
UPDATE:
This product seems to do well for MANY, but us low carbers are (except for a few) do not seem to get the same response.
I switched to 6 caps a day a week ago.
PROS
I DO feel a little more fullness and the vascularity is a bit more pronounced.
The alpha male feeling is still present and nice.
Mild strength gains (more attributed to the mental "drive" this product gives me)
Mental intensity/endurance (sorry, no other way to describe it. I am compelled to simply push harder)
CONS
No weight gain/loss
Thermogenic effect still present; but strangley, no discernable fat loss
Given the cost/effects ratio (with respect to my new dosing protocol of 6 caps/day), I still rate this product a 7.5/10.
While the 6 caps have increased my results (aesthetically only), the 20 days (at a 6 caps/day dose) is a bit pricey.
Quick conclusion
I think this is a decent product and has its place. I think for many, it will work well. I also think it will let some down as this product is sensationalized to the 10th degree here (hence the title of my thread).
I WOULD buy this product again and use it as a bridge between hormone cycles. My favorite attribute is the "cerebral andro man / in the zone training sessions" effect. Reminds me of when I am ON gear. Huge plus for us OLD folks.
I also still believe that this product may be more useful for a typical carb-consuming bodybuilder.
It does "something" physiologically with the carbs I simply cannot explain. It seems to act as an efficasious glucose disposal agent where others have failed for me or simply given me horrible gastric distress and/or diarhea.
Disclaimer:
Just b/c I did not have "earth-shattering" results, does not mean it will not work for you. As relayed several times in this thread, Im a low carber. Well, it's been my experience for 20+ years of bodybuilding that most ergogenic products are simply not as effective for us low carb disciples.
Also, if I thought the product sucked, I'd flat out say it as I have nothing to prove and no one to impress and refuse to pimp anyone's products w/o a legitimate solid personal experience.
Thanks for viewing the thread. I will update as if anything changes.
TBH, not much, but like I said, I seem to be a non-responder to the product,
and keep in mind that I'm a low carber, well more than that probably.. like *really* low carber
I didn't notice anything at 4, lil something at 6, anyway I ran a log at the time if you wanna
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