Am I the only one who feels this way about Obama ?

[Australian made]

The word "black" is racist in the USA?

 

[ReaperX]

great posting! Unfortunately you'l be called a racist for saying this kind of stuff even though it is very true. People who have nothing make pathetic excuses about why they have nothing. "The rich get richer, the poor get poorer" well for fcks sake how about trying to be one of those rich people. Being born into a wealthy family has huge advantages compared to those brought up in poor environments but the world is a cruel place and unless those people make a serious effort to better their lives they will always be poor for generations to come. Anyone can go to a local library and pick up Rich Dad Poor Dad or a Warren Buffett book. All it takes is some belief that nothing is impossible if you put your mind to it.

Hard work only goes so far without intelligence to keep propelling it forward. Sorry, but that's the reality.

 

[Australian made]

Hard work only goes so far without intelligence to keep propelling it forward. Sorry, but that's the reality.

Define intelligent? A harvard grad who wouldn't know the first thing about investing in the stock market or someone who finishes school at 13 and goes on to become one of the best inventors of all time (Thomas Edison). Some people don't discover there good at anything until they attempt it.

 

[ReaperX]

That's a subjective term.

 

[CNorris]

CNorris, Reverend Wright is a complete JACKASS. Don't let that fool define the rest of the black community, although, a lot of blacks do listen to that sh!t. I don't understand why.

Hopefully they are sensible enough to disregard the bullsh!t when they hear it.

Rush Limbaugh and Pat Robinson does not define white America for me.

Only 2% of blacks are put off by Wright's statements. Thats shocking. There is more radicalism in inner city African American communities than you think.

 

[AE14]

This thread is somewhat interesting to me. Personally I support Obama as a result of horrible options elsewhere. However, anyone who claims that Obama is all talk is not listening to the other 2 candidates. THey are all "All talk", they have to be, as was every other candidate in every other election before them. Obama has an appeal similar to RFK in '68 "hope and help". Most people want drastic change, and feel due to his lack of time in Washington he might be the only non-Washington insider. We all know McCain has cowtowed in recent years to the religious right, and Hillary is so damn polarizing that even if she was Jesus Christ in drag she would still lose.

Regardless of who wins, America is going to be screwed if we continue on the path we have thus far. The spending has been out of hand, and coupled with the issues in the housing market, and the lack of control of the banks, our economy will only get worse.

 

[CorpKiller]

I have never heard

Personally I think he's all talk. He also seems naive in a way. Like when he takes office everything will all the sudden be ok, which of course with the problems we're having is highly unlikely. I agree with everyone in this thread. :wave:

him speak without reading from a tele-prompter.

 

[teribleturtle]

great posting! Unfortunately you'l be called a racist for saying this kind of stuff even though it is very true. People who have nothing make pathetic excuses about why they have nothing. "The rich get richer, the poor get poorer" well for fcks sake how about trying to be one of those rich people. Being born into a wealthy family has huge advantages compared to those brought up in poor environments but the world is a cruel place and unless those people make a serious effort to better their lives they will always be poor for generations to come. Anyone can go to a local library and pick up Rich Dad Poor Dad or a Warren Buffett book. All it takes is some belief that nothing is impossible if you put your mind to it.

You answerd your own question or response "Being born into a wealthy family has huge advantages compared to those brought up in poor environments" that is the reason why the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, the advantages to being born in that situation are huge, which only helps to perpetuate the situation you were born into. Today I believe that the top 5% of the population holds more wealth than the remaining 95%. I am not disputing the fact that if you work hard you can improve your position, its very possible to make a transition from say working class to middle/upper middle class. But to say that it is very possible to go from working class to the upper classes is a bit unrealistic. Sure there are individuals who have made that transition but those individuals are an extreme exception and shouldnt be taken as the norm. I have said it before and I will say it again, that the meritocratic ideal upon which this Nation was founded on is slowly eroding into a myth. Dont take that statement as an attack against this country, I am a proud American who is very concerned with the state of affairs in this country.

 

[EasyEJL]

Its never been any different. The fact is that anyone can make a reasonable living if they put in the effort. No, they can't drive a brand new ferrari diablo that they trade in every year, or have homes in 5 countries, but anyone who puts forth the effort can make more than enough to raise a family decently, drive a new car every 5 years, and save enough for retirement.

 

[Australian made]

Its never been any different. The fact is that anyone can make a reasonable living if they put in the effort. No, they can't drive a brand new ferrari diablo that they trade in every year, or have homes in 5 countries, but anyone who puts forth the effort can make more than enough to raise a family decently, drive a new car every 5 years, and save enough for retirement.

Pretty much what i was getting at. Some people sem to think there's only two options: rich and poor. I don't consider being wealthy or comfortable as being rich anyway......


Diablo is a lamborgini by the way:whip:

 

[Fastone]

Only 2% of blacks are put off by Wright's statements. Thats shocking. There is more radicalism in inner city African American communities than you think.

And you know this how?

 

[EasyEJL]

I can't afford one either way

 

[Australian made]

I can't afford one either way

Oh you must be poor then.

 

[teribleturtle]

Pretty much what i was getting at. Some people sem to think there's only two options: rich and poor. I don't consider being wealthy or comfortable as being rich anyway......


Diablo is a lamborgini by the way:whip:

I suppose that is pretty much what I was saying also. Initially I took your argument to be; " If I put my mind to it, I will be filthy rich!!!" Lambo's are soooo overated as far as speed and acceleration I had the pleasure of racing one in the 99 Camaro Z28 (Not Stock) I used to have, It was about a 1/4 mile race off a stop light I SMOKED IT!!!! Now if we would have been on a twisty road it would have been another story!

 

[Dadof2]

The sad thing is that none of the presidential candidates are good choices. It was the same in 2004 and 2000, as South Park puts it, we get the opportunity to choose between a douchebag and a turd sandwich.

We will continue to get craptastic candidates as long as our electoral process is hijacked by two very powerful political parties.

What this country needs is election reform, real election reform. The kind that eliminates the ability of candidates to raise hundreds of millions of dollars from private sources. The public owns the airways, there is no reason why candidates shouldn't be able to get equal airtime to spread their message (this would also cut down on attack ads). But this will never happen.

I am of the opinion that the only way to fix our terribly broken government would come by way of a citizens revolution. Of course our citizenry is so retarded that this would never happen unless they found themselves abruptly unable to stuff their faces at the all you can eat buffet before returning home to catch the latest episode of American Idol after which they can unwind by rubbing one off to some internet porn.

Until such time enjoy our slow and gradual march towards socialism while "the enlightened" continue their efforts to make heaven on Earth via the redistribution of wealth, surveillance cameras on every corner, multiculturalism, moral relativism, and thought policing.

But boy, it sure will feel good to be the first white person to vote for the first black/woman/clinically dead president :frustrate

 

[young4life]

Only 2% of blacks are put off by Wright's statements. Thats shocking. There is more radicalism in inner city African American communities than you think.

OK, what bias poll did you get that from?

 

[teribleturtle]

The sad thing is that none of the presidential candidates are good choices. It was the same in 2004 and 2000, as South Park puts it, we get the opportunity to choose between a douchebag and a turd sandwich.

We will continue to get craptastic candidates as long as our electoral process is hijacked by two very powerful political parties.

What this country needs is election reform, real election reform. The kind that eliminates the ability of candidates to raise hundreds of millions of dollars from private sources. The public owns the airways, there is no reason why candidates shouldn't be able to get equal airtime to spread their message (this would also cut down on attack ads). But this will never happen.

I am of the opinion that the only way to fix our terribly broken government would come by way of a citizens revolution. Of course our citizenry is so retarded that this would never happen unless they found themselves abruptly unable to stuff their faces at the all you can eat buffet before returning home to catch the latest episode of American Idol after which they can unwind by rubbing one off to some internet porn.

Until such time enjoy our slow and gradual march towards socialism while "the enlightened" continue their efforts to make heaven on Earth via the redistribution of wealth, surveillance cameras on every corner, multiculturalism, moral relativism, and thought policing.

But boy, it sure will feel good to be the first white person to vote for the first black/woman/clinically dead president :frustrate

So who's the "Douchebag" and who is the "Turd Sanwhich"? ( turd sanwhich so funny! i neverheard that one before) Can I assume that Mcain is the "douchebag" being that he has a really short temper. As far as your comment regarding "the enlightened" with the exception of redistribution of wealth and multiculturalism, all the following characteristics can also be used to describe many folks on the Right, yes even moral relativism. I wouldnt say that what is considered to be the "moral degradation" of American society can be placed entirely upon the enlightend, the left, etc. By the way what do you consider to be moral relativism, even the description of the concept can be relative. It funny you mention socialism, in its truest form is not what you think it is. Cuba, Soviet Union, etc. is just a form of glorified feudalism masquerading as Marxism. Marxism in its truest form does not equal (big govt, handouts, labor unions, oppression) as a worker you still have to work but with greater incentive because you become part owner of whatever company/organization you are a part of. A simple example would be, a businesses that offers employee stock options, that pretty much sums up socialism/Marxism.

 

[Dadof2]

So who's the "Douchebag" and who is the "Turd Sanwhich"? ( turd sanwhich so funny! i neverheard that one before) Can I assume that Mcain is the "douchebag" being that he has a really short temper. As far as your comment regarding "the enlightened" with the exception of redistribution of wealth and multiculturalism, all the following characteristics can also be used to describe many folks on the Right, yes even moral relativism. I wouldnt say that what is considered to be the "moral degradation" of American society can be placed entirely upon the enlightend, the left, etc. By the way what do you consider to be moral relativism, even the description of the concept can be relative

I don't have the time at the moment to go over all of this, but I didn't want to wait to address your point about attributing what I consider negative characteristics of government to the "right". I don't think things like thought policing and the essential degrading of personal freedoms fall on the right of the political spectrum (even though Republicans claim to be on the right).

More to follow.

 

[teribleturtle]

I don't have the time at the moment to go over all of this, but I didn't want to wait to address your point about attributing what I consider negative characteristics of government to the "right". I don't think things like thought policing and the essential degrading of personal freedoms fall on the right of the political spectrum (even though Republicans claim to be on the right).

More to follow.

Well perhaps we should distinguish what aspect of "the Right" we are discussing. If we are discussing libertarianism which is a mixture of extreme liberalism and extremem conservatism then you are right none of those characteristics characterize that aspect of the "Right". But if we are discussing the "Christian Right" which is also a big and influential aspect of the right, then "thought policing" legislating morality can be attributed to that aspect of the right. If we are discussing neo-conservatism, then big government, moral relativism, world policing, etc. can be attributed to that aspect of the "Right" Personally I am most afraid of the "Christian Right" and neo cons, I have much more respect for libertarianism, and for traditional conservatism ( small govt, fiscal responsibility, personal freedom, domestic issues first)

 

[Dadof2]

Well perhaps we should distinguish what aspect of "the Right" we are discussing. If we are discussing libertarianism which is a mixture of extreme liberalism and extremem conservatism then you are right none of those characteristics characterize that aspect of the "Right". But if we are discussing the "Christian Right" which is also a big and influential aspect of the right, then "thought policing" legislating morality can be attributed to that aspect of the right. If we are discussing neo-conservatism, then big government, moral relativism, world policing, etc. can be attributed to that aspect of the "Right" Personally I am most afraid of the "Christian Right" and neo cons, I have much more respect for libertarianism, and for traditional conservatism ( small govt, fiscal responsibility, personal freedom, domestic issues first)

I definately am a liberal in the classical sense, today that seems to make me a Libertarian. I am also a Christian, but I have no use for the "Christian Right". I believe that government is necessary to protect the rights of its citizens. Unfortunately our government believes that it is in the business of granting and taking away rights.

You and I probably would agree on more than we disagree on despite my suspicions that your political philospies are a bit more left leaning than mine.

Now, getting back to my other post and your responses to it:

Turd Sandwich and Douchebag are generalities that could apply to either political candidate in almost any Presidential election (credit goes to Trey Parker and Matt Stone, creators of South Park). But if I were to assign the values to the current candidates they would be as such:

Clinton and McCain would be the douchebags in the race and Obama would be the turd sandwich (only because from afar he looks good, almost great, but upon further inspection he begins to lose his appeal to people who are unwilling to eat **** for whatever reason).

As far as what I define as moral relativism this could turn into a thread all its own. I think that moral relativism in its purest sense is the idea that what is right or true to me is not necessarily right or true to you because we may not share past common experiences. This could go into a thread all its own, but the reason why I even mentioned it at all is because of the intense double standard that we have in this country:

its ok for the Jena 6 to beat the hell out of some white kid (for whatever reason "justified" or not), but there is no justification at all for 6 white kids to beat up on a black kid. How about in the eyes of the law it is always bad for 6 people to beat the hell out of 1 person, even if that one person hurt their feelings?

Sorry, but this kind of **** is killing the country, and enriching the Race Pimps.

As far as my ideas concerning the left: On paper Marxism looks good. However, it just never transpires from paper to reality in its pure form. The bastardized versions of Marxism that I have learned about thoroughly suck.

Here is a question for you: Where do you think that fascism falls on the political spectrum?

 

[teribleturtle]

I definately am a liberal in the classical sense, today that seems to make me a Libertarian. I am also a Christian, but I have no use for the "Christian Right". I believe that government is necessary to protect the rights of its citizens. Unfortunately our government believes that it is in the business of granting and taking away rights.

You and I probably would agree on more than we disagree on despite my suspicions that your political philospies are a bit more left leaning than mine.

Now, getting back to my other post and your responses to it:

Turd Sandwich and Douchebag are generalities that could apply to either political candidate in almost any Presidential election (credit goes to Trey Parker and Matt Stone, creators of South Park). But if I were to assign the values to the current candidates they would be as such:

Clinton and McCain would be the douchebags in the race and Obama would be the turd sandwich (only because from afar he looks good, almost great, but upon further inspection he begins to lose his appeal to people who are unwilling to eat **** for whatever reason).

As far as what I define as moral relativism this could turn into a thread all its own. I think that moral relativism in its purest sense is the idea that what is right or true to me is not necessarily right or true to you because we may not share past common experiences. This could go into a thread all its own, but the reason why I even mentioned it at all is because of the intense double standard that we have in this country:

its ok for the Jena 6 to beat the hell out of some white kid (for whatever reason "justified" or not), but there is no justification at all for 6 white kids to beat up on a black kid. How about in the eyes of the law it is always bad for 6 people to beat the hell out of 1 person, even if that one person hurt their feelings?

Sorry, but this kind of **** is killing the country, and enriching the Race Pimps.

As far as my ideas concerning the left: On paper Marxism looks good. However, it just never transpires from paper to reality in its pure form. The bastardized versions of Marxism that I have learned about thoroughly suck.

Here is a question for you: Where do you think that fascism falls on the political spectrum?

Fascism essentially falls on the left. Rousseau's Social Contract essentially gives rise to the notion of Fascism. To be brief, a state would culminate into a fascist state when people give to many of their rights and liberties for the sake of the "General Will". Furthermore the social contract can become a repressive fascist state through the majority that determines what the general will. But Fascism as we know it also has elements of strong conservatism mixed into it particularly in the form of nationalism. But either way the notion of a social contract of some sort is necessary for society to function today, fascism occurs when too much is given to the social contract.

As far as moral relativism goes, your description of it is basically true, but it is a notion that goes back to Kant's moral philosophy. He attempted to establish a universal morality, perhaps during his time would have worked as Europe was pretty homogenous. Today we live in a far more cosmopolitan society, which is why moral relativism is something inevitable. As far as this goes I would suggest a much more simple form of morality based on Mill's Utilitarianist premise ( pleasure and pain) and particularly "The Golden Rule" because it is based on non-contradiction. The example you gave on Jena 6 simply describes a contradiction and hypocrisies on both parts.

As far as Marxism you are right, what has tried to pass off as Marxism is bastardized, I argue that it is nothing more than glorified feudalism. Marx is probably Jumping for joy in his grave now that many companies offer employees stock options. Marxism in its simplest form is; workers owning the means of production! today that is STOCKS! Our notions of Marxism are so outdated and our hostility towards it is still based on the way companies were run and managed 100-200 years ago. Back then there was no stock market to speak of only robber barons who single handedly owned companies. The hostility towards Marxism stems from the, fact that robber barons wanted full control of their operations, because that is the way things were done back then. It is funny to say but if you own some of your companies stock you are a Marxist!!!! shame on you! LOL!

 

[bLacKjAck.]

DAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMM Blackjack - 95% Don't hold back, let it all out.

As sorry as it is, the rest of your statement is true. The black community is definitly holding themselfs back. The parents are DEFINITLY not pushing their children to achieve their full potential and let's not start with this rap culture bullsh!t, but 95%???

I am just giving you my experience. Thats what I know...

Call me a racist I don't give a fvck. But if people would read what I said (I am not accusing you) it is NOT the fact that they are black...that means nothing. Its the culture that is so damn influential...its like a parasite they are born into, and no one is willing to break it.

 

[bLacKjAck.]

Maybe you should let the African Americans in your local area know that you think they are sorry. Voice your opinion.

I have voiced my opinion to SEVERAL. And I have been called racist several times. Hasn't stopped me from speaking the truth yet

And I am with Easy, never had a college degree or went to any type of schooling a day in my life...post-HS. Made right at 80k last year and on pace to make well over that this year...22 yrs old.

If your willing to work for what you want, you can make a lot of money is this wonderful country.

 

[CustomNW]

I would like to think that the majority of the people who are voting are educated, well-informed individuals, however, for some reason I feel like they are not.


pro-Obama is more of a trend vs. actual politics.

This is why I think there should be a spot on the ballet for "dissatisfied by current choices". I cant make a correct decission because of all the bullshat smoke and mirrors. Who knows who is telling the truth.

 

[EasyEJL]

This is why I think there should be a spot on the ballet for "dissatisfied by current choices". I cant make a correct decission because of all the bullshat smoke and mirrors. Who knows who is telling the truth.

Richard Pryor, I can't recall the movie name "Vote none of the above"

 

[bpmartyr]

Richard Pryor, I can't recall the movie name "Vote none of the above"

"Brewsters Millions."

 

[CustomNW]

Oh nice find!

 

[young4life]

I am just giving you my experience. Thats what I know...

Call me a racist I don't give a fvck. But if people would read what I said (I am not accusing you) it is NOT the fact that they are black...that means nothing. Its the culture that is so damn influential...its like a parasite they are born into, and no one is willing to break it.

TRUE! :sad:

 

[ReaperX]

This is why I think there should be a spot on the ballet for "dissatisfied by current choices". I cant make a correct decission because of all the bullshat smoke and mirrors. Who knows who is telling the truth.

There is an option like this. Just don't vote at all.

 

[AM07]

Ask anyone who supports Obama, but specifically college kids, why they are voting for him, and 90% of them won't be able to tell you one position of his on a political matter.

It shows the true intellect of many of the voters in this country. It's as if they flip a coin before going out to the polls. The people that vote in the primaries are the reason we have three piece of **** nominees.

 

[ReaperX]

Ask anyone who supports Obama, but specifically college kids, why they are voting for him, and 90% of them won't be able to tell you one position of his on a political matter.

It shows the true intellect of many of the voters in this country. It's as if they flip a coin before going out to the polls. The people that vote in the primaries are the reason we have three piece of **** nominees.

They are stupid. 99.999% of the people voting are most likely not educated in the party's stances.


People voting for/supporting Obama are just doing it because it is the trendy thing to do.

 

[AM07]

They are stupid. 99.999% of the people voting are most likely not educated in the party's stances.


People voting for/supporting Obama are just doing it because it is the trendy thing to do.

Exactly. And don't forget, he's black so that's a big reason as to why he has been so successful in the campaign. It's so true that his race has helped him, yet it's so sad that when one of Hillary's campaign managers spoke the TRUTh, she was called a racist by the piece of **** lib media. It's not even a bad thing that his blackness is helping him, if anything it's a good thing!

To tell you the truth, if there were two candidates, one white and one black, that were running for President and had almost the same beliefs that coincided with mine, I would vote for the black candidate because I think it would do so much good for this country for a black President.

The Democratic party has hurt the progress of blacks in this country much more than anything else in the past 50 years.

 

[EasyEJL]

The Democratic party has hurt the progress of blacks in this country much more than anything else in the past 50 years.

sure, who else would they have to take care of if they didnt? its sort of the munchausen by proxy syndrome taken a step further.

 

[Vtaper]

Ask anyone who supports Obama, but specifically college kids, why they are voting for him, and 90% of them won't be able to tell you one position of his on a political matter.

It shows the true intellect of many of the voters in this country. It's as if they flip a coin before going out to the polls. The people that vote in the primaries are the reason we have three piece of **** nominees.

True, but the people who really scare me are the ones who have actually gone to his web site and read what he wants to do and still support him.

He has the furthest left voting record in the senate, but ignorant people buy into his whole "bring the country together" and "both sides of the isle" CRAP!!!

The public at large doesnt understand that the President is NOT the king of America. The founding fathers gave limited power to the position, thats why no real "change"(cough Obama) will happen, regardless of who is in there.

Change comes when people realize that personal responsibility, not government, gives you a better life.