6-bromodione and PCT (legit concerns)

[jmh80]

PA after we get this whole 6-Bromo thing figured out, what are your thoughts on the spirostanes in BAM and MFX?

Bump for Pat.

 

[thesinner]

Something like this:

No, I mean something like 1-AD: a prohormone.

 

[Naven]

Bump for Pat.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/69427-3b-5a-6a.html

 

[xjsynx]

No, I mean something like 1-AD: a prohormone.

Well PA stated: at least one of the isomers likely converts into a potent anabolic steroid.

So maybe that isn't enough to warrant it as a PH??? Because don't PH's convert into an anabolic agent, and not likely?

 

[thesinner]

Well PA stated: at least one of the isomers likely converts into a potent anabolic steroid.

So maybe that isn't enough to warrant it as a PH??? Because don't PH's convert into an anabolic agent, and not likely?

That's what I'm getting at. If it did convert to a potent active, somebody would be milking this badboy for all it's worth. I'm assuming one of Pat's motives for making these threads are to find an answer to these things to better investigate competator products. I'm saying that if 6a-bromo-test is in fact as powerful as we are speculating, I am surprised that nobody has tried selling it as a prohormone.

 

[jmh80]

Yeah - saw that right after I posted it Jeff.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

could there be a discrepancy between what organic chem says should happen and what really does happen?

Maybe it does happen, as 6Bromo has become a very popular AI as part of off-cycle test-boosting stacks and part of that boost could be from the steroidal conversion, havent seen that many people logs its use it as part of their post-cycle therapy.

That also doesn't leave many products in the AI arena if you are looking for something that doesn't convert. Even gaspari made claims in Novedex XT literature that 6-oxo converted to estrogen (6-keto-estrone and 6-keto-estradiol), but that didn't dampen the popularity of 6-oxo.

6keto-estrone and 6-keto-estradiol must not have estrogenic activity cuz if they did then the product would not raise testosterone like it does

i explained this to them

bet you were not aware that the new Gaspari Halodrol liquidgels will contain 6-oxo

 

[Patrick Arnold]

That's what I'm getting at. If it did convert to a potent active, somebody would be milking this badboy for all it's worth. I'm assuming one of Pat's motives for making these threads are to find an answer to these things to better investigate competator products. I'm saying that if 6a-bromo-test is in fact as powerful as we are speculating, I am surprised that nobody has tried selling it as a prohormone.

my motivation is being pissed off by seeing the popularity of products that are improperly promoted by companies that portray themselves as brilliant chemists who are the savior of all the bodybuilding bros

and yes, 6alpha-bromotest would likelybe a good prosteroid. not DSHEA compliant of course but not a controlled substance either

 

[wojo]

my motivation is being pissed off by seeing the popularity of products that are improperly promoted by companies that portray themselves as brilliant chemists who are the savior of all the bodybuilding bros

and yes, 6alpha-bromotest would likelybe a good prosteroid. not DSHEA compliant of course but not a controlled substance either

synthetic? if it is so was 1-test,but i dont think you would sell it but others would probably

 

[John Smeton]

my motivation is being pissed off by seeing the popularity of products that are improperly promoted by companies that portray themselves as brilliant chemists who are the savior of all the bodybuilding bros

and yes, 6alpha-bromotest would likelybe a good prosteroid. not DSHEA compliant of course but not a controlled substance either

6-Bromodione is the alpha kind, correct ?

If I want to be considered" A natural bodybuilder" than I dont need to use 6-Bromodione , right?

On my Cissus-Drol it doesnt say 6-alpha- it just says 6-bromodione?

It all comes down to un-honest people trying to make a dollar any way they can and not genuinely concerned about people. They're just seeing if your paying attention

 

[rpen22]

6-Bromodione is the alpha kind, correct ?

If I want to be considered" A natural bodybuilder" than I dont need to use 6-Bromodione , right?

On my Cissus-Drol it doesnt say 6-alpha- it just says 6-bromodione?

I believe what he's saying is that the 6-Bromodione being sold by various companies may or may not be a mixture of both the alpha and the beta isomers.

 

[bearmeat]

Not sure I've heard of a hormone increasing nut size??

mesterolone / proviron

It does have AI properties though

 

[thesinner]

6-Bromodione is the alpha kind, correct ?

If I want to be considered" A natural bodybuilder" than I dont need to use 6-Bromodione , right?

On my Cissus-Drol it doesnt say 6-alpha- it just says 6-bromodione?

It all comes down to un-honest people trying to make a dollar any way they can and not genuinely concerned about people. They're just seeing if your paying attention

Pat's saying the chemical name they're putting on the bottle is disturbingly ambiguous. The direction in which the bromo points is going to make a HUUGE difference.

 

[rxp1997]

6keto-estrone and 6-keto-estradiol must not have estrogenic activity cuz if they did then the product would not raise testosterone like it does

i explained this to them

bet you were not aware that the new Gaspari Halodrol liquidgels will contain 6-oxo

after they marketed novedex as superior to 6-oxo, I am surprised at that.

But PA, isn't your explanation to them (granted I don't know details or history) the same kind you don't find acceptable from Dr.D and others? Not trying to start anything as I am the least qualified to do so, just trying to be fair to all. your posts have been some of the most interesting topics of discussion I have followed and have learned a lot from them, and for that I am grateful.

 

[FitnFirm]

Estrogen Control

6-Bromodione: There are two types of estrogen aromatase inhibitors and application of only one leaves the other pathway open for feminizing potential.

6 alpha-Bromodione is a competitive inhibitor of aromatase enzymes. Basically this means it works by way of binding to the active binding site of the aromatase enzyme resulting in prevention of interaction with other steroids that aromatize like testosterone and the rest of our favorite male androgens. This is great for rapid binding and short term aromatase control, but unfortunately a competitive inhibitor will eventually let go of the enzyme and allow it to do feminizing things to manly hormones. So, only half of the job is done, but it has its important role as well.

6 beta-Bromodione is a mechanism-based irreversible inhibitor of the aromatase enzyme. An irreversible aromatase inhibitor is also referred to as a suicide inhibitor. It’s pretty cool in that it acts similar to a competitive inhibitor in the way it binds, but like a pissed-off ex-girlfriend, it is both highly selective and it will not let go until death do they part.
Together the two analogs in 6-Bromodione make sure that estrogen is under control, and many would assume that less estrogen means the prolactin would be under control as well. Often, once prolactin increases are stimulated, shutting it back down takes some extra effort and a protracted period of time. How long are you willing to wait to be an optimized male?

 

[rpen22]

Hey Fit, is that a write up from ALR?

 

[FitnFirm]

Hey Fit, is that a write up from ALR?

Yes it is, and I will say that everyone who has ever used Restore has loved it ! It does exactly as it states. So there ya have it

 

[mike3107]

Where is AX at?

 

[CHAPS]

Yup i've burnt through 6 bottles of Restore and loved it, good product.

 

[rpen22]

Yes it is, and I will say that everyone who has ever used Restore has loved it ! It does exactly as it states. So there ya have it

I'm sure they have. I'm using 6-Bromo in HDX2 right now, and I like it as well.

 

[FitnFirm]

I'm sure they have. I'm using 6-Bromo in HDX2 right now, and I like it as well.

You have to remember that Patrick is a competitor, so he would like nothing more than to have you use his product for PCT. Although I am sure his product is good, despite users having painful side effects this doesnt mean other companies products suck ! We dont market Restore for PCT, some may choose to use it for that purpose and those that have done so have been thrilled.

 

[xjsynx]

I'm sure they have. I'm using 6-Bromo in HDX2 right now, and I like it as well.

Are you running it as part of a PCT?

 

[Hyde12]

You have to remember that Patrick is a competitor, so he would like nothing more than to have you use his product for post cycle therapy. Although I am sure his product is good, despite users having painful side effects this doesnt mean other companies products suck ! We dont market Restore for PCT, some may choose to use it for that purpose and those that have done so have been thrilled.

I like his products, but I can't affort them!

 

[UNCfan1]

Estrogen Control

6-Bromodione: There are two types of estrogen aromatase inhibitors and application of only one leaves the other pathway open for feminizing potential.

6 alpha-Bromodione is a competitive inhibitor of aromatase enzymes. Basically this means it works by way of binding to the active binding site of the aromatase enzyme resulting in prevention of interaction with other steroids that aromatize like testosterone and the rest of our favorite male androgens. This is great for rapid binding and short term aromatase control, but unfortunately a competitive inhibitor will eventually let go of the enzyme and allow it to do feminizing things to manly hormones. So, only half of the job is done, but it has its important role as well.

6 beta-Bromodione is a mechanism-based irreversible inhibitor of the aromatase enzyme. An irreversible aromatase inhibitor is also referred to as a suicide inhibitor. It’s pretty cool in that it acts similar to a competitive inhibitor in the way it binds, but like a pissed-off ex-girlfriend, it is both highly selective and it will not let go until death do they part.
Together the two analogs in 6-Bromodione make sure that estrogen is under control, and many would assume that less estrogen means the prolactin would be under control as well. Often, once prolactin increases are stimulated, shutting it back down takes some extra effort and a protracted period of time. How long are you willing to wait to be an optimized male?

:goodpost: I loved HDx2, I am liking Advanced PCT and looking forward to using restore in future.

Whatever the outcome on 6-Bromo I love the ****! It works and it works well, for me it did.

 

[rpen22]

Are you running it as part of a post cycle therapy?

No sir. Part of the MassFX/HDX2/Retain2 stack. I haven't used any hormones to need any post cycle therapy.

 

[FitnFirm]

:goodpost: I loved HDx2, I am liking Advanced post cycle therapy and looking forward to using restore in future.

Whatever the outcome on 6-Bromo I love the ****! It works and it works well, for me it did.

Should I start a FREE RESTORE FOR EVERYONE thread ??? :woohoo:

 

[Zombie]

Should I start a FREE RESTORE FOR EVERYONE thread ??? :woohoo:

yes

 

[UNCfan1]

Should I start a FREE RESTORE FOR EVERYONE thread ??? :woohoo:

Yes u should, but don't tease us.

 

[xjsynx]

Should I start a FREE RESTORE FOR EVERYONE thread ??? :woohoo:

Wow, I never tried, but have PCT coming up...

 

[xjsynx]

No sir. Part of the MassFX/HDX2/Retain2 stack. I haven't used any hormones to need any post cycle therapy.

right on bro.

How long have you been on this cycle? Gains, etc...

 

[UNCfan1]

FNF, free restore would go great with my Pro-Anabol. Wink, Wink.

 

[FitnFirm]

Wow, I never tried, but have post cycle therapy coming up...

FREE RESTORE FOR YOU GUYS !!!!!!! PLEASE EMAIL ME YOUR ADDRESS TO [email protected]

IM OFF TO TRAIN NOW

Hyde12
xjsyny
uncfan1
rpen22
zombie

 

[UNCfan1]

FREE RESTORE FOR YOU GUYS !!!!!!! PLEASE EMAIL ME YOUR ADDRESS TO [email protected]

IM OFF TO TRAIN NOW

Hyde12
xjsyny
uncfan1
rpen22
zombie

Awesome! Ur the best FNF.

 

[xjsynx]

FREE RESTORE FOR YOU GUYS !!!!!!! PLEASE EMAIL ME YOUR ADDRESS TO [email protected]

IM OFF TO TRAIN NOW

Hyde12
xjsyny
uncfan1
rpen22
zombie

Email sent.

Thank you!!!

 

[FitnFirm]

Awesome! Ur the best FNF.

You guys are welcome ! The last thing ALR is, is a cheap-o ! There comes a time when you have to share ! Many people cannot afford supps, I am glad to be able to give a little when Im in the mood

 

[rpen22]

You guys are welcome ! The last thing ALR is, is a cheap-o ! There comes a time when you have to share ! Many people cannot afford supps, I am glad to be able to give a little when Im in the mood

Wow! Thanks Fit!
Email sent.

 

[Zombie]

FREE RESTORE FOR YOU GUYS !!!!!!! PLEASE EMAIL ME YOUR ADDRESS TO [email protected]

IM OFF TO TRAIN NOW

Hyde12
xjsyny
uncfan1
rpen22
zombie

Thanks FnF I just sent my email

 

[ZoRomo77]

Should I start a FREE RESTORE FOR EVERYONE thread ??? :woohoo:

Hey you said "Everyone". I'm part of everyone!

(fingers crossed and hopes high)

 

[UNCfan1]

You guys are welcome ! The last thing ALR is, is a cheap-o ! There comes a time when you have to share ! Many people cannot afford supps, I am glad to be able to give a little when Im in the mood

Well I can't afford any BAM or JW either lol, on;y kidding. This is a very nice gesture on ur part and ALR's. Great reps and great supplements.

 

[Hyde12]

Awesome!
Email sent!

 

[rpen22]

right on bro.

How long have you been on this cycle? Gains, etc...

This is my 5th week.

I started at 208, dropped a few pounds of water weight initially which I contribute to the HDX2(naturally high estrogen/water retention especially after my postcontest rebound), and now I'm between 215 and 220. I will say that I have indeed changed my diet since I started and not all of the weight gained was LBM. My strength has gone up, but since I was not doing this as a log for anyone, I wasn't looking for consistencies to test the efficiency of the products, just progress.

 

[Outside Backer]

FREE RESTORE FOR YOU GUYS !!!!!!! PLEASE EMAIL ME YOUR ADDRESS TO [email protected]

IM OFF TO TRAIN NOW

Hyde12
xjsyny
uncfan1
rpen22
zombie

wow i never tried restore either:bruce3:

 

[John Smeton]

Patrick , can you look at page two and answer my question in more simple terms than you answered me on myspace?

I dont understand your answer

Thank you

 

[Grant]

Damn ALRI! You rock! Too bad that I missed it but congrats to those who got it!

 

[Patrick Arnold]

6-Bromodione is the alpha kind, correct ?

If I want to be considered" A natural bodybuilder" than I dont need to use 6-Bromodione , right?

On my Cissus-Drol it doesnt say 6-alpha- it just says 6-bromodione?

It all comes down to un-honest people trying to make a dollar any way they can and not genuinely concerned about people. They're just seeing if your paying attention

if you wanna be natural you can't take any kind of steroid compound except i think 7-keto dhea. that includes 6-oxo, 6- bromo, JW etc

at least that is how i understand the rules are now

 

[Patrick Arnold]

after they marketed novedex as superior to 6-oxo, I am surprised at that.

But PA, isn't your explanation to them (granted I don't know details or history) the same kind you don't find acceptable from Dr.D and others?

i don't see any resemblance at all

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Yes it is, and I will say that everyone who has ever used Restore has loved it ! It does exactly as it states. So there ya have it

its a bit more then an anti-aromatase

its an androgen precursor fitnfirm, the 6alpha is at least

 

[Patrick Arnold]

You have to remember that Patrick is a competitor, so he would like nothing more than to have you use his product for post cycle therapy.

knock yourself out then. use 6alpha bromo

just don't come *****in to me when your clit starts pokin out of your bikini

 

[Patrick Arnold]

You guys are welcome ! The last thing ALR is, is a cheap-o ! There comes a time when you have to share ! Many people cannot afford supps, I am glad to be able to give a little when Im in the mood

i know your intentions are good but i wonder if you even realize that you just basically offered to give away free anabolic steroids to everyone

not that there is necessarily anything wrong about that....

just check their ages, please

 

[wojo]

knock yourself out then. use 6alpha bromo

just don't come *****in to me when your clit starts pokin out of your bikini

lol hey it works for denise mosino(sp?)