Whats new in the supplement game ???

[VaughnTrue]

Holy smokes i got fauked there

for $3, I wouldn't say you got screwed. It's not like it's going to hurt you and will give SOME benefit...albeit not much.


This is one of the reasons I'm wary of companies who don't list specific extract information on their ingredients. It's very common for companies to list ingredients like "Ashwagandha Extract" which sounds nice, but an extract's effectiveness is fully dependent on the actives that are being extracted and concentrated. I could make a product that says "Apple Extract" and have it supply fructose, or I could make a product that says "Apple Extract" and have it supply cyanide. Although, if I were following labeling laws I would have to list "Apple Extract (fruit)" or "Apple Extract (seed)". But the point remains.

 

[VaughnTrue]

And, you know, lots of toxic withaferin.

Withanolide extracts in high potency or I say don’t bother with ashwagandha as anything but a light gda in small doses. Unless you love poison.

I wouldn't bother either, but there is data showing benefits from ashwagandha (we need an abbreviation for this damn word) plant material. not optimized benefits, but still some good things.

 

[Old Witch]

Personally, my must-haves are beetroot powder (nitrates), creatine, protein isolate (beef and whey), arginine, ALCAR, and L Carnitine.

 

[VaughnTrue]

Personally, my must-haves are beetroot powder (nitrates), creatine, protein isolate (beef and whey), arginine, ALCAR, and L Carnitine.

Is this post in jest...or serious?


beetroot powder contains next to 0 nitrates. Any company claiming nitrate benefits from beetroot powder raw materials is full on lying.

beef protein isolate has the amino acid composition of construction yard diarrhea and should never be purchased, ever. It's such a waste of money the reality of it boggles my mind.

arginine is pretty useless when taken on its own, especially for NO boosting properties.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

And, you know, lots of toxic withaferin.

Withanolide extracts in high potency or I say don’t bother with ashwagandha as anything but a light gda in small doses. Unless you love poison.

Just use KSM-66 or Sensoril and its a non-issue. They’re both standardized to negligible withaferin levels, and have ton of very favorable safety data.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

No "must have"...favorites below

Creatine monohydrate (HCl is fine but it needs to be dosed the same as mono until proven otherwise, which makes it a poor choice price wise)
LCLT
Citrulline (Cit malate is fine but dosing needs to be adjusted to account for the "undesirable" malic acid)
Agmatine sulfate
Nitrates (potassium nitrate is my personal favorite)
Beta Alanine
Caffeine

Solid list. No love for betaine anhydrous though?

 

[Old Witch]

Is this post in jest...or serious?


beetroot powder contains next to 0 nitrates. Any company claiming nitrate benefits from beetroot powder raw materials is full on lying.

beef protein isolate has the amino acid composition of construction yard diarrhea and should never be purchased, ever. It's such a waste of money the reality of it boggles my mind.

arginine is pretty useless when taken on its own, especially for NO boosting properties.

Arginine (I buy NOW brand) is definitely good for the aging male heart and coronary artery health. 10 grams of that is what I take...

(Quality) Beef protein isolate contains the same amino acid profile of beef. If beef is not a quality protein source, that’s news to me.

Quality beetroot powder (beet juice powder is what I buy) will definitely be full of nitrates, whether they’re added or natural, that’s up for debate. I take about 4 grams.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Arginine is definitely good for the aging male heart and coronary artery health. (Quality) Beef protein isolate contains the same amino acid profile of beef. If beef is not a quality protein source, that’s news to me.

Quality beetroot powder will definitely be full of nitrates, whether they’re added or natural, that’s up for debate.

No. Beetroot powder, even standardized for nitrate content, will NOT have sufficient nitrate content to provide ergogenic benefits. Not even close. If you’re so stubborn, I’ll do the math for you to explain it. It’s orders of magnitude short...

 

[The Solution]

Arginine is definitely good for the aging male heart and coronary artery health. (Quality) Beef protein isolate contains the same amino acid profile of beef. If beef is not a quality protein source, that’s news to me.

Quality beetroot powder will definitely be full of nitrates, whether they’re added or natural, that’s up for debate.

Beef Protein is absolute garbage. Just like all the Redcon1 Fanboys who are eating pig scraps and saying its the best protein bar on the market.

. The whey product has much more of the essential amino acids and BCAAs (34.96 grams in whey vs. 19.4 grams in beef protein isolate per 100 g). The amount of essential amino acids and BCAAs are what we really want to consider when we look at different sources of protein as athletes when it comes to determining what is best for our lifestyles. These are the amino acids that aid in recovery, muscle protein synthesis, etc.

Another massive difference is the amount of glycine in beef protein (beef protein isolate contains 20.1 grams of glycine, more than 14 times the amount of glycine in whey protein). Glycine is a filler amino acid added into products to cheapen the cost of the product. Glycine comes up on lab tests that test for protein content based on nitrogen content as protein, which allows companies to pad the amount of protein in their product by stuffing them with glycine.

most of beef proteins contain mainly collagen and gelatin, thus they have a PDCAAS of zero.

 

[Old Witch]

A quality beef protein isolate will quite obviously not be padded, and will be from actual beef leans. I have yet to find a brand that is fully functional as per my criteria but I have seen close.

It remains that one ought to vary their protein sources in any case.

 

[Old Witch]

No. Beetroot powder, even standardized for nitrate content, will NOT have sufficient nitrate content to provide ergogenic benefits. Not even close. If you’re so stubborn, I’ll do the math for you to explain it. It’s orders of magnitude short...

Beet juice powder. Sorry. I misspoke. It’s a concentrate.

 

[The Solution]

A quality beef protein isolate will quite obviously not be padded, and will be from actual beef leans. I have yet to find a brand that is fully functional as per my criteria but I have seen close.

It remains that one ought to vary their protein sources in any case.

Which exactly goes back to my post
beef Protein is absolute garbage.
You are getting 1/2 the amino acids and a lack of leucine. Nobody wants to guzzle down glycine

Price per pound whey is cheaper and has far more actually amino acids/leucine per serving
Who wants to overpay for pig scraps?
Not Me.

 

[thebigt]

a crock pot is a wonderful thing...a cheap cut of beef like eye of round is pretty lean. put it in crock pot for 4 hours and it's as tender as more expensive cuts...lots of bang for the buck.

 

[Amon amarth]

for $3, I wouldn't say you got screwed. It's not like it's going to hurt you and will give SOME benefit...albeit not much.


This is one of the reasons I'm wary of companies who don't list specific extract information on their ingredients. It's very common for companies to list ingredients like "Ashwagandha Extract" which sounds nice, but an extract's effectiveness is fully dependent on the actives that are being extracted and concentrated. I could make a product that says "Apple Extract" and have it supply fructose, or I could make a product that says "Apple Extract" and have it supply cyanide. Although, if I were following labeling laws I would have to list "Apple Extract (fruit)" or "Apple Extract (seed)". But the point remains.

Makes perfect sense

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Beet juice powder. Sorry. I misspoke. It’s a concentrate.

It’s still beetroot concentrate. It’s not going to have nearly as much as drinking a glass of beet juice. I’ve seen many COAs and spec sheets. I can do the math for you if you want.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

IIRC you typically want at least 400mg nitrates. Assuming your beetroot extract/concentrate/whatever is standardized for even 5% nitrates, you need 8g of extract. Most products with beetroot extract don’t even use 1g. And 5% is HIGH. Rednite is standardized for at most 2.75%. Sabeet is standardized for at least 2%. If your extract isn’t standardized, it’s likely even less than this. So that 2.75% requires ~14.5g of the extract. Who is using anywhere close to that much?

 

[Old Witch]

IIRC you typically want at least 400mg nitrates. Assuming your beetroot extract/concentrate/whatever is standardized for even 5% nitrates, you need 8g of extract. Most products with beetroot extract don’t even use 1g. And 5% is HIGH. Rednite is standardized for at most 2.75%. Sabeet is standardized for at least 2%. If your extract isn’t standardized, it’s likely even less than this. So that 2.75% requires ~14.5g of the extract. Who is using anywhere close to that much?

Well, I mean I buy the actual beet juice powder itself, I don’t rely on a product with that in there. And I guess I take more of it than I realized, been doing four tablespoons, and it was supposed to be teaspoons. So roughly 20g of beet juice powder. It’s affordable.

 

[Old Witch]

I have some nitroglycerin tablets as well I mean if really need nitrates like yesterday. This mix is fantastic for a pump, I have to say. 10g NOW arginine, 20g beet juice powder, and either some Karbolyn or some high molecular weight amylopectin. It’s just crazy.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Well, I mean I buy the actual beet juice powder itself, I don’t rely on a product with that in there. And I guess I take more of it than I realized, been doing four tablespoons, and it was supposed to be teaspoons. So roughly 20g of beet juice powder. It’s affordable.

If you’re just buying POWDER, not an actual standardized extract, I’d wager it’s under 2% nitrates. Probably by a fair bit. Potassium nitrate caps are almost certainly cheaper and an assurance of potency.

I’ll at least say that beetroot as used in 99.9% of supplements (pre-workouts) are massively underdosed.

 

[Old Witch]

If you’re just buying POWDER, not an actual standardized extract, I’d wager it’s under 2% nitrates. Probably by a fair bit. Potassium nitrate caps are almost certainly cheaper and an assurance of potency.

I’ll at least say that beetroot as used in 99.9% of supplements (pre-workouts) are massively underdosed.

Pumps don’t lie homes.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Pumps don’t lie homes.

You do you man, but don’t pretend that the placebo effect isn’t a thing.

 

[Old Witch]

You do you man, but don’t pretend that the placebo effect isn’t a thing.

If I could get placebo pumps, that would be awesome. Truth be told it’s not easy for me to get a lasting pump. At all.

 

[Old Witch]

Oh hey look, I found a guy who uses almost the exact same pump mix I’ve been trying...

https://youtu.be/uTxblR2qrOs

 

[muscleupcrohn]

If I could get placebo pumps, that would be awesome. Truth be told it’s not easy for me to get a lasting pump. At all.

How do you know you’re not lol?

 

[Old Witch]

How do you know you’re not lol?

Well I’d would like to think that after a couple of decades of lifting I’d know the difference between a mental effect and painful tightness that last for hours.

 

[Farlesworth]

I wouldn't bother either, but there is data showing benefits from ashwagandha (we need an abbreviation for this damn word) plant material. not optimized benefits, but still some good things.

We do.

It's ash.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

We do.

It's ash.

Or just use KSM-66 so you can say KSM.

 

[Old Witch]

Or just use KSM-66 so you can say KSM.

Bah! Humbug!

 

[Amon amarth]

Can get the real thing ? I feel like i just bought fake weed

 

[shockrock3]

3 criteria to go by when contemplating to buy OP:

1) Anything banned by WADA
2) Anything non-DSHEA compliant
3) Is it illegal to possess without a script

If the answer is yes to all 3....you have something that works.

 

[Toff]

What's the closest to cialis i can get legally?

Viagra, its now over the counter.

 

[Toff]

Radiate! https://www.rxssupplements.com

The new powder gets me seriously sweating and crushed my appetite!

The owners are also amazing dudes!

Read before bro science kicks in

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5836053/

 

[VaughnTrue]

highest studied nitrate content in beetroot is 4500mg in 1 KILOGRAM of material.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Parisa_Ziarati/project/Nitrate-in-Food-water-and-Soil/attachment/5a1c3eaf4cde267c3e6f09b9/AS:565346408951808@1511800495370/download/nitrate_review.pdf1.pdf?context=ProjectUpdatesLog

Active MINIMUM dose is 400mg (most take much higher doses). So in order to achieve the MINIMUM dosing, you'd have to consume upwards of 100g of beetroot.

 

[Amon amarth]

3 criteria to go by when contemplating to buy OP:

1) Anything banned by WADA
2) Anything non-DSHEA compliant
3) Is it illegal to possess without a script

If the answer is yes to all 3....you have something that works.

Thats gods honest truth . I miss the og sd

 

[Amon amarth]

Question

Viagra, its now over the counter.

Cvs just asked me to leave thanks

 

[jameschoi]

Viagra, its now over the counter.

how much is it?

 

[Amon amarth]

how much is it?

800.00 a pill not otc lmao

 

[jameschoi]

800.00 a pill not otc lmao

Dat is cheap :fool2:

 

[Jiigzz]

Which exactly goes back to my post
beef Protein is absolute garbage.
You are getting 1/2 the amino acids and a lack of leucine. Nobody wants to guzzle down glycine

Price per pound whey is cheaper and has far more actually amino acids/leucine per serving
Who wants to overpay for pig scraps?
Not Me.

Pig is pork, not beef

 

[danielmoo]

This thread has been gold

 

[Amon amarth]

This thread has been gold

Yesh my friends yesh jaja bink is back

 

[Amon amarth]

Pig is pork, not beef

Since when ? In before debate gets heated

 

[Old Witch]

Pig is pork, not beef

And that’s exactly why I don’t really listen to any of the crap that’s said.

 

[Old Witch]

highest studied nitrate content in beetroot is 4500mg in 1 KILOGRAM of material.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Parisa_Ziarati/project/Nitrate-in-Food-water-and-Soil/attachment/5a1c3eaf4cde267c3e6f09b9/AS:565346408951808@1511800495370/download/nitrate_review.pdf1.pdf?context=ProjectUpdatesLog

Active MINIMUM dose is 400mg (most take much higher doses). So in order to achieve the MINIMUM dosing, you'd have to consume upwards of 100g of beetroot.

Right, however, beet JUICE powder can be any order of times more concentrated than a plain beet powder, much in the way a grape juice powder will be many more times concentrated compared to powdered grapes.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Right, however, beet JUICE powder can be any order of times more concentrated than a plain beet powder, much in the way a grape juice powder will be many more times concentrated compared to powdered grapes.

I just explained that even STANDARDIZED EXTRACTS seem to have at most 2.75% nitrates. If the extract/power/whatever doesn’t mention a standardization, it’s almost certainly far under this level, as these are premium extracts.

And I think it’s “number of times” or “orders of magnitude.”

Also beets make beet juice. Beet powder and beet juice powder are by definition the same. A concentrate is essentially an extract; it’s more CONCENTRATED than the source material.

 

[Old Witch]

I just explained that even STANDARDIZED EXTRACTS seem to have at most 2.75% nitrates. If the extract/power/whatever doesn’t mention a standardization, it’s almost certainly far under this level, as these are premium extracts.

And I think it’s “number of times” or “orders of magnitude.”

Also beets make beet juice. Beet powder and beet juice powder are by definition the same. A concentrate is essentially an extract; it’s more CONCENTRATED than the source material.

Beet powder and beet juice powder are only by definition the same if you have a very low IQ and can’t understand the difference between plant material and juice.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Beet powder and beet juice powder are only by definition the same if you have a very low IQ and can’t understand the difference between plant material and juice.

Beet juice powder is literally a beet extract, and I’ll bet you money it won’t have a higher nitrate content than the premium standardized extracts.

It’s inherently an extraction process...

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Beetroot concentrate is literally beetroot extract. It’s used to make concentrated beet juice just like orange juice concentrate is used to make orange juice from concentrate.

 

[AdelV]

Morphogen nutrition looks good these days
WG nutrition has some very good products out, and coming out too

I think there is another company doing all topicals lax, -epi, uro-b but I can't recall the name

 

[BRUstrong]

FWIW, I took 2 scoops of Bloodshr3d Black Magic yesterday and was pouring sweat. I have a suit & tie job and I literally had to go home during the day to change. No shakes or chills, but the actual amount of sweat was a bit uncomfortable in my work clothes. I don't remember the last time something made me sweat like that.

I will say that I don't normally take fat burners/thermos. I'm generally between 10-15% body fat year round (I don't measure, but have visible abs and the "abdominal v"). And if I do take them, it's just for the energy/mood/focus aspect - which was only so/so with Bloodshred.

I haven't tried Radiate+ because I'm sensitive to Y/Alpha-Y - which will give me shakes, chills, etc. But for that, I'd certainly give it a try based on reviews for energy/mood/focus. So if you're sensitive to Y, BS may be a good option. However, it only has 300mg of KSM so maybe it's just clinically under dosed garbage???