Whats new in the supplement game ???

[aaronuconn]

How do I post data to something I dont have access to, again YOU are making A$$-U-MPTIONS that I work for the company. This is the last thing I have to say. Cause you just want to argue with people. Thats all you ever do in all your post. So I'm done with you. I offered to send you a sample from my personal stash when I get home. Right now I'm trying to console my mother as we lost my grandmother lastnight and we have to set up arrangements. Thats a bit more important than dealing with your stupidity.

Sorry to hear about your loss.

It’s just cursory google searches he’s referencing. What he posted for research abstracts can be found via google.

Also, I’d say he’s more debating than arguing. Him and I debated over a thread I made on another forum a while ago. I think healthy debating is good for the forums. Different perspectives/views = learning.

 

[cubsfan815]

I have not tried Radiate+, I did use the OG Radiate. I like the peach flavor, and it was good for what I described as a dirty stim feeling. I used it to drive from Florida to IL without staying overnight. I am stim sensitive, so that may be why it felt too "dirty" "stimmy" <- big words lol to workout on. The team over at RXS has always been cool with me, so I do enjoy seeing their success.

I did say I prefer FitMax to it for daily use and fat loss, however a lot of people (not RXS affiliated people) ganged up on me saying I was biased due to my affiliation with Performax Labs. I just feel FitMax is a more complete formula.

 

[VaughnTrue]

From an outside perspective, who has purchased a bunch of Radiate in the past, it was excellent for energy/focus. I will admit, when I saw the Radiate+ on their site (I haven't tried it) I was curious as to why KSM-66 was added to it because shouldn't that be relaxing? And this is for fat burning. And I am also aware that 600mg is the dose considered for it to work properly.

So I am half and half on this. Radiate has always been great for it's purpose of getting your ass to the gym, especially cardio. But this blend is a bit odd to me as well.

again, if it works for you and you enjoy it...rock on, keep using it.

All I am saying is that to ME, it looks like the supposed benefits people are experiencing are a result of a few select ingredients within in the forumula (stims and GBB) which can be purchased for pennies on the dollar. Again, if you want to spend the $30 on it (or whatever it costs) then awesome. But people shouldn't be acting as if this formula contains some special results not available elsewhere or that it's innovative in any way.

 

[The Solution]

KSM is a great addition as a cortisol controller. Its helps reduce stress and improve mood.
For Example: Since cortisol raises as calories go down, and cortisol prevents fat loss, you’ll want all the help you can get in fighting off the stress
Another example when dieting: caloric-deficit dieting tends to wreck testosterone levels as well, but ashwagandha may help you keep your levels normal as it can act as a minor testosterone booster in low-testosterone individuals

You can find all of these off VT's links or through multiple Pubmed studies. (Couple google searches)
Checking out pages like Stack3d and PricePlow have good information on clinical doses of ingredients, what they do, and the benefits when dosed properly.

 

[VaughnTrue]

KSM is a great addition as a cortisol controlled. Its helps reduce stress and improve mood.
For Example: Since cortisol raises as calories go down, and cortisol prevents fat loss, you’ll want all the help you can get in fighting off the stress
Another example when dieting: caloric-deficit dieting tends to wreck testosterone levels as well, but ashwagandha may help you keep your levels normal as it can act as a minor testosterone booster in low-testosterone individuals

I could justify putting KSM-66 in just about every single product available on the market today. I'm a HUGE fan of the ingredient...but when it's dosed appropriately.

 

[The Solution]

I agree 100%. What KSM-66 provides (in an adequate dose) are easy to justify for the money it costs to buy in bulk.
Especially in a fatloss or dieting phase for the cortisol, mood, and stress related benefits.

Whenever anyone wants to buy a product they should research what they are ingesting. its always important to know what your intaking, what it does, and what the sides can be. This is another reason why I outline in my reviews what each ingredient does and its sole purpose. This way consumers know what to expect and what each ingredient is aimed for.

I could justify putting KSM-66 in just about every single product available on the market today. I'm a HUGE fan of the ingredient...but when it's dosed appropriately.

 

[aaronuconn]

I could justify putting KSM-66 in just about every single product available on the market today. I'm a HUGE fan of the ingredient...but when it's dosed appropriately.

It’s my favorite standalone for sure

 

[SpongeTom]

I could justify putting KSM-66 in just about every single product available on the market today. I'm a HUGE fan of the ingredient...but when it's dosed appropriately.

May I ask that levels of dosing of KSM-66 you think for various scenarios?
Eg if bulking take X, if cutting take Y, if relaxing take Z, etc etc.
Do you believe it should be cycled at all? Of so, how long on and how long off?

 

[The Solution]

May I ask that levels of dosing of KSM-66 you think for various scenarios?
Eg if bulking take X, if cutting take Y, if relaxing take Z, etc etc.
Do you believe it should be cycled at all? Of so, how long on and how long off?

600mg is a clinical dose to see the benefits for stress, cortisol, and mood. You will want to dose it in that amount to get the most out of the product regarldess of your goal

You could say the same for:
Citrulline
Beta-Alanine
Betaine
Agmatine
LCLT
etc...

This is why ingredients are so heavily studied in different dosages and amounts. This way we know through research, and human experience what works and how much is needed to product those results.

 

[BEAST73]

KSM is a great addition as a cortisol controller. Its helps reduce stress and improve mood.
For Example: Since cortisol raises as calories go down, and cortisol prevents fat loss, you’ll want all the help you can get in fighting off the stress
Another example when dieting: caloric-deficit dieting tends to wreck testosterone levels as well, but ashwagandha may help you keep your levels normal as it can act as a minor testosterone booster in low-testosterone individuals

You can find all of these off VT's links or through multiple Pubmed studies. (Couple google searches)
Checking out pages like Stack3d and PricePlow have good information on clinical doses of ingredients, what they do, and the benefits when dosed properly.

Stress Free. So.. That’s why I laugh at people now when they say ugly and stupid things to Me. Because normally I go off.. Lol!!

 

[thebigt]

lol...when I left this thread last night the topic was topical viagra:twisted:

 

[TommyTuffGuy]

again, if it works for you and you enjoy it...rock on, keep using it.

All I am saying is that to ME, it looks like the supposed benefits people are experiencing are a result of a few select ingredients within in the forumula (stims and GBB) which can be purchased for pennies on the dollar. Again, if you want to spend the $30 on it (or whatever it costs) then awesome. But people shouldn't be acting as if this formula contains some special results not available elsewhere or that it's innovative in any way.

I understand. I never used Radiate for literal results, it was just a high stim product to get me going to do the cardio.

 

[GHopkins]

It’s being called topical Viagra, but it is glyceryl trinitrate. Otherwise known as nitro glycerin. It is an old heart medication to dilate blood vessels to prevent heart pain. They had the medication made into a spray because it is easier than a pill under the tongue. Of course somebody sprayed it on their junk and noticed stiffness.
I doubt this will hit the over the counter market. The FDA will put it on hold because the pharmaceutical companies would lose money. It would be nice if it would.

 

[thebigt]

It’s being called topical Viagra, but it is glyceryl trinitrate. Otherwise known as nitro glycerin. It is an old heart medication to dilate blood vessels to prevent heart pain. They had the medication made into a spray because it is easier than a pill under the tongue. Of course somebody sprayed it on their junk and noticed stiffness.
I doubt this will hit the over the counter market. The FDA will put it on hold because the pharmaceutical companies would lose money. It would be nice if it would.

that sounds really interesting....a lot of stuff has dual purposes, when I used to get cortisone shots in my knee I noticed that the stuff they sprayed on my knee before injecting really deadened the pain-I talked my doc into giving me what was left in the bottle and used it when pain got severe.

 

[Danes]

Ashwagandha such as KSM66 is one of few ingredients I dont overdose. 600-750mg gives me incredible sedation and calmness. Thats why I take it 1-2 hours prior bed.

KSM66 is dirt cheap too so there is no reason for supplement companies to underdose it either...

 

[shockrock3]

I'm not a rep for HTP, and have not been employed by HTP for 6 months or so.


edit: I take it you're not going to take me up on my offer?

Finally ditched that bozo company? Congrats.

And stop with non-compliant Noopept B.S. it's only WADA non-compliant not illegal, fck WADA, vast majority of people who would use Noopept don't have to worry about anti-doping rules. If so....THEIR responsibility to read the fcking product label and discuss with their coach, etc. The non-compliant B.S. needs to stop. If it's LEGAL, it goes in.

 

[aaronuconn]

Finally ditched that bozo company? Congrats.

And stop with non-compliant Noopept B.S. it's only WADA non-compliant not illegal, fck WADA, vast majority of people who would use Noopept don't have to worry about anti-doping rules. If so....THEIR responsibility to read the fcking product label and discuss with their coach, etc. The non-compliant B.S. needs to stop. If it's LEGAL, it goes in.

Ever heard of DSHEA? Do you think Noopept is DSHEA compliant? If so, how?

Given it’s a synthetic supplement, it seems it’s not compliant.

 

[shockrock3]

Ever heard of DSHEA? Do you think Noopept is DSHEA compliant? If so, how?

Given it’s a synthetic supplement, it seems it’s not compliant.

Don't care, it's not illegal, period. DMHA, not illegal, period. Shall I go on? Don't care about your legislative branches or whatever....until the GOVERNMENT says it's banned, it's all fair game to be in all supplements as it is now.
If you care so much, ask Monte why it's in Radiate

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Ever heard of DSHEA? Do you think Noopept is DSHEA compliant? If so, how?

Given it’s a synthetic supplement, it seems it’s not compliant.

Half this entire forum consists of companies selling “research chemicals” for people to “test” on their “rats.” Sometimes it’s better to pick your fights lol, even if you’re technically correct.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

So, you work for the company then. This makes a bit more sense now.


Yes ingredients ARE underdosed and there is no arguing that. If there were compounds not being underdosed, why is it in a prop blend? We both know the answer to this question.


Lets assume you have 200mg of KSM-66 in the formula (you and I both know its lower than that, but lets be generous as assume this to be true). Can you provide ANY data showing 200mg of KSM-66 can provide benefits for a user (for any purpose)? If so, is the 200mg dose/day capable of providing results even remotely close to the suggested 600mg/day?

How about any data showing 75mg of "eria jarensis" (we both know theres zero eria jarensis plant material in this product, but I'll keep playing the game)?

How about 50mg of L-Dopa?

I can keep listing the ingredients which are obviously underdosed for their intended purposes, but lets start with these.








Again, this "just try it bro" argument is ridiculous. Hey man, I've found that drinking CEE mixed with rat piss is super anabolic. I LOVE IT! Don't believe me? Why don't you try it for yourself? I'll send you a sample when I get back to the office on Monday

There is some research showing that lower doses of ashwagandha (withanolide content) can still help reduce stress and anxiety, maybe even cortisol too, I forget, but most studies, especially ones on endurance, body composition, etc, do use the standard 600mg/day KSM, you’re right about that.

Unrelated: would love to see a study on the above items with KSM at 900mg or 1200mg daily.

There are studies that used higher doses of withanolides for various purposes, nootropic IIRC. It was Sensoril though, not KSM. Solid safety profile at higher doses, so I wouldn’t be concerned about doubling up if you really wanted to try it.

May I ask that levels of dosing of KSM-66 you think for various scenarios?
Eg if bulking take X, if cutting take Y, if relaxing take Z, etc etc.
Do you believe it should be cycled at all? Of so, how long on and how long off?

600mg/day for anything. Either split in 2 300mg doses, or all 600mg in the evening/night if it’s too calming for you to use in the day.

I could justify putting KSM-66 in just about every single product available on the market today. I'm a HUGE fan of the ingredient...but when it's dosed appropriately.

This. Cortisol control. Stress reduction. Increased endurance. Improved sexual function. It’s so cheap to dose at 600mg/day too.

Ashwagandha such as KSM66 is one of few ingredients I dont overdose. 600-750mg gives me incredible sedation and calmness. Thats why I take it 1-2 hours prior bed.

KSM66 is dirt cheap too so there is no reason for supplement companies to underdose it either...

This. Super solid ingredient with many benefits.

 

[justhere4comm]

I ordered a bottle of Radiate caps with Grains of Paradise, which interests me as a single supplement.
I didn't like the OG Powder, and reviewed it as such. Flavor to me was horrid.

Ashwagandha is hit or miss with people. Sometimes too much causes a bad reaction, so a lower dose of it combined with other ingredients may just be all that is needed. I wouldnt' call 200mg a dusting. It's a great compound, and at 200mg would be quite good. I've been through the ingredient list and feel this might be pretty well formulated. We will see.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I ordered a bottle of Radiate caps with Grains of Paradise, which interests me as a single supplement.
I didn't like the OG Powder, and reviewed it as such. Flavor to me was horrid.

Ashwagandha is hit or miss with people. Sometimes too much causes a bad reaction, so a lower dose of it combined with other ingredients may just be all that is needed. I wouldnt' call 200mg a dusting. It's a great compound, and at 200mg would be quite good. I've been through the ingredient list and feel this might be pretty well formulated. We will see.

If you check out my old thread in the nootropics section titled “Research on Various Nootropics,” you’ll find a study that noted decreased stress/anxiety with a daily dose of 9mg withanolides, which is equivalent to 180mg KSM-66 (5% withanolide). So it may not be an IDEAL dose, but I’ll agree that it’s also not an INEFFECTIVE dose.

 

[Jiigzz]

Don't care, it's not illegal, period. DMHA, not illegal, period. Shall I go on? Don't care about your legislative branches or whatever....until the GOVERNMENT says it's banned, it's all fair game to be in all supplements as it is now.
If you care so much, ask Monte why it's in Radiate

Well any ingredient is illegal to sell as a dietary ingredient if it isn't DSHEA compliant or if it doesn't have an NDI.

That's not to say i care at all FWIW. I certainly enjoy Radiate for the stimulation and the sweat it induces.

 

[Amon amarth]

what is the deal with this supplement? There are next to zero appropriately dosed actives.

I have zero beef with the owners (I have no idea who they are), and I'm not trying to start a **** flinging war, but I don't get it.

KSM-66 is included after caffeine, which means there is less than 200mg of KSM-66. Most supplements with KSM-66 provide 600mg+.

Eria Jarensis is dosed far lower than most other supps at only 75mg when it's routine to see 125mg+ elsewhere.

50mg of L-Dopa is laughably small when ~500mg is the proven dosage for "legit" GH increases.



throw that into the bag when they're also including a non-compliant compound in Noo-pept...I dont understand.

I was thinking about some of these being somewhat low ... im hesitant about buying things like this .

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I was thinking about some of these being somewhat low ... im hesitant about buying things like this .

Anecdotally people seem to really enjoy it. The other option for a powder that is well dosed is FitMax, and it has an open label if that comforts you more. A bit different of an approach to formulation, but also a solid option. But I’m not sure if you were looking for powder or caps.

 

[Amon amarth]

Anecdotally people seem to really enjoy it. The other option for a powder that is well dosed is FitMax, and it has an open label if that comforts you more. A bit different of an approach to formulation, but also a solid option. But I’m not sure if you were looking for powder or caps.

Idk wat fit max is .

 

[Amon amarth]

I would love to get something that gives a long lasting feeling so i can go to the gym and work and come home with enough energy to smash the old lady nicely.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Idk wat fit max is .

It’s another thermogenic/fat-burning supplement; since Radiate was being discussed and questioned, this is another option. I usually just use it as a daily energy type product though.

 

[Amon amarth]

It’s another thermogenic/fat-burning supplement; since Radiate was being discussed and questioned, this is another option. I usually just use it as a daily energy type product though.

Is it openly available? And can someone post a label?

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Is it openly available? And can someone post a label?

Yeah, a lot of sites have it.

 

[Amon amarth]

Yeah, a lot of sites have it.
View attachment 177522

Seems like a complete product

 

[VaughnTrue]

Finally ditched that bozo company? Congrats.

And stop with non-compliant Noopept B.S. it's only WADA non-compliant not illegal, fck WADA, vast majority of people who would use Noopept don't have to worry about anti-doping rules. If so....THEIR responsibility to read the fcking product label and discuss with their coach, etc. The non-compliant B.S. needs to stop. If it's LEGAL, it goes in.

Ever heard of DSHEA? Do you think Noopept is DSHEA compliant? If so, how?

Given it’s a synthetic supplement, it seems it’s not compliant.

Don't care, it's not illegal, period. DMHA, not illegal, period. Shall I go on? Don't care about your legislative branches or whatever....until the GOVERNMENT says it's banned, it's all fair game to be in all supplements as it is now.
If you care so much, ask Monte why it's in Radiate

Well any ingredient is illegal to sell as a dietary ingredient if it isn't DSHEA compliant or if it doesn't have an NDI.

That's not to say i care at all FWIW. I certainly enjoy Radiate for the stimulation and the sweat it induces.

It's illegal to be sold as a dietary ingredient due to DSHEA. Do I agree with this? Hell no. I think people should be able to buy and smoke crack if they want to (I mean this seriously).

But you're saying that if the govt says it's illegal then it's illegal...and the govt in fact already states that it's illegal. See blow:

Given that noopept was patented in 1996, was not in the food supply prior to 1994, and is synthetic, it does not appear to qualify as a legal dietary supplement ingredient in the U.S., according to DSHEA (the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994).

Source: https://www.bscg.org/blogs/noopept-could-be-the-next-big-banned-substance-in-sport-after-meldonium/



Here official data form the FDA:

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_202.html

Suzhou Myland Pharm & Nutrition Date Published : 11/17/2014
Suit 16-302 Huachem Garden , Suzhou, CHINA
54 Y - - 99 Vitamin, Mineral, Proteins and Unconventional Dietary Specialities For Humans and Animals, N.E.C.
Date Published: 11/17/2014
Desc: Noopept
Notes: Noopept is an analog of Piracetam
66 V - - 99 Miscellaneous Patent Medicines, Etc.
Date Published: 11/17/2014
Desc: Noopept
Notes: Noopept is an analog of Piracetam

http://fda-warning-letters.blogspot.com/2010/08/unlimited-nutrition-83010.html

Piracetam Containing Products


Your firm markets your piracetam products, "Smart Powders Piracetam" and "Primaforce Piracetam" as dietary supplements; however, both products are excluded from the definition of a "dietary supplement" under section 201(ff)(1) of the Act, 21 U.S.C. § 321(ff)(1). To be a dietary supplement a product must, among other things, "bear[ ] or contain[ ] one or more ... dietary ingredients" as defined in section 201(ff)(1) of the Act. Section 201(ff)(1) of the Act defines "dietary ingredient" as a vitamin, mineral, amino acid, herb or other botanical, or dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake, or a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract or combination of any dietary ingredient from the preceding categories. The only substance listed as a dietary ingredient on the labeling for your "Smart Powders Piracetam" and "Primaforce Piracetam" products is piracetam. Piracetam is not a vitamin, mineral, amino acid, herb or other botanical, or dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake. Further, piracetam is not a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract or combination of any such dietary ingredient. Thus, because your "Smart Powders Piracetam" and "Primaforce Piracetam" products do not bear or contain any dietary ingredients as defined in section 201 (ff)(1) of the Act, these products do not qualify as dietary supplements under section 201(ff) of the Act.1

Piracetam is a non-DSHEA compliant compound. Noopept is an analogue of piracetam. Noopept is non-DSHEA compliant, and as such is ILLEGAL to be sold as a dietary supplement without being awarded a NDI (new dietary ingredient) by the FDA directly.

 

[jarrellt67]

Yeah, a lot of sites have it.
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What's "Rholdia Rosea"? Is it similar to Rhodiola Rosea?

 

[shockrock3]

It's illegal to be sold as a dietary ingredient due to DSHEA. Do I agree with this? Hell no. I think people should be able to buy and smoke crack if they want to (I mean this seriously).

But you're saying that if the govt says it's illegal then it's illegal...and the govt in fact already states that it's illegal. See blow:



Source: https://www.bscg.org/blogs/noopept-could-be-the-next-big-banned-substance-in-sport-after-meldonium/



Here official data form the FDA:

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_202.html




http://fda-warning-letters.blogspot.com/2010/08/unlimited-nutrition-83010.html



Piracetam is a non-DSHEA compliant compound. Noopept is an analogue of piracetam. Noopept is non-DSHEA compliant, and as such is ILLEGAL to be sold as a dietary supplement without being awarded a NDI (new dietary ingredient) by the FDA directly.

All your stuff is fine and dandy....point is, I can do a Google search for Noopept and buy it in Walmart of all places....and prob. not being "marketed or sold as a dietary supplement", so whatever the "Government" is saying, doesn't seem to be holding up because anybody and everybody is making it and selling it in Retail brick & mortar stores, etc.

By your logic...sure, it's not DSHEA compliant but I don't think anybody gives 2 sh*ts if it's DSHEA compliant because every Mom & Pop, Big, etc store/website sells it as a standalone and/or part of formulas so I'm happy that people are disregarding big government "scare tactics". Obviously it's not that big of a deal if people are still selling it.

 

[Amon amarth]

Lovin these debates ! Reminds me of old times !

On a more serious note . Anyone ever do ec without the A ?

 

[VaughnTrue]

All your stuff is fine and dandy....point is, I can do a Google search for Noopept and buy it in Walmart of all places....and prob. not being "marketed or sold as a dietary supplement", so whatever the "Government" is saying, doesn't seem to be holding up because anybody and everybody is making it and selling it in Retail brick & mortar stores, etc.

By your logic...sure, it's not DSHEA compliant but I don't think anybody gives 2 sh*ts if it's DSHEA compliant because every Mom & Pop, Big, etc store/website sells it as a standalone and/or part of formulas so I'm happy that people are disregarding big government "scare tactics". Obviously it's not that big of a deal if people are still selling it.

OK first of all lets get one thing straight here, I'm not fighting with you nor disagreeing on your basic points. Again, I agree that all this stuff should be legal, and I also agree that the govt is absolutely terrible at policing this industry. It's a joke.


That said, in 2009 BB.com, GNC, and VS all sold IFN's Dymethazine despite it being non-DSHEA compliant (along with countless other "PH's" like Superdrol).

It was widely available everywhere, yet the FDA was still able to come bust our doors down with guns drawn and say "ha surprise bitches!". That was because despite being sold by thousands of retailers, Dymethazine along with every other designer anabolic being sold at the time was non-DSHEA compliant. It wasn't until well after this that Dymethazine and most other compounds were added to the CIII "banned list", yet IFN and dozens of other companies still had to pay the piper in either fines and/or jail time.


No, Noopept is not as high on the radar as something like Dymethazine was back in the day, but the fact remains that it is in fact illegal, and there's really zero argument for it being legal (until an NDI is submitted and approved by the FDA). My post wasn't meant to harp on this fact originally, but instead use it as an additional factor of "wait, why is this product so sought after" when its another straw added to my camels back that just doesn't make sense.

 

[Old Witch]

I always dosed at 600 and feel excellent on it. Recently I tried Swanson brand at 500mg and for some reason it was literally putting me to sleep mid-day. I have no idea why suddenly it had that effect on me.

Because everything else you tried was bunk. Swanson uses the real thing.

 

[Old Witch]

At the end of the day, no pressor amines, epinephrine analogs, or sympathomimetic amines are WADA or DSHEA compliant. Not NN DMPEA, not DMHA, Eria jarensis, acacia rigidula, norepinephrine, synephrine, any of it. Not to mention I see 5mg of huperzine in one of these, that’s 10x more than anyone has any business taking.

And you guys are worried about a little cancer.

 

[aaronuconn]

lNot to mention I see 5mg of huperzine in one of these, that’s 10x more than anyone has any business taking.

1% extract

 

[muscleupcrohn]

At the end of the day, no pressor amines, epinephrine analogs, or sympathomimetic amines are WADA or DSHEA compliant. Not NN DMPEA, not DMHA, Eria jarensis, acacia rigidula, norepinephrine, synephrine, any of it. Not to mention I see 5mg of huperzine in one of these, that’s 10x more than anyone has any business taking.

And you guys are worried about a little cancer.

5mg of 1% huperzine. That’s 50mcg, or well under the 200mcg limit I’d recommend per serving.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Lovin these debates ! Reminds me of old times !

On a more serious note . Anyone ever do ec without the A ?

Yeah. IIRC there are a good amount of studies that did too.

 

[Old Witch]

5mg of 1% huperzine. That’s 50mcg, or well under the 200mcg limit I’d recommend per serving.

Y’all should get your huperzia from a better source.

Also that label is highly misleading.

It should read huperzia serrata extract 1% 5mg (yielding 50mcg huperzine A)

NOT

Huperzine A 5mg (from huperzia serrata extract 1%)

 

[VaughnTrue]

Y’all should get your huperzia from a better source.

Also that label is highly misleading.

It should read huperzia serrata extract 1% 5mg (yielding 50mcg huperzine A)

NOT

Huperzine A 5mg (from huperzia serrata extract 1%)

There are a ton of horribly non-compliant labels out there. This is again due to poor enforcement.

The standardization listing requirements should be far more detailed.

 

[jameschoi]

There are a ton of horribly non-compliant labels out there. This is again due to poor enforcement.

The standardization listing requirements should be far more detailed.

What are your must have supps?

 

[VaughnTrue]

What are your must have supps?

No "must have"...favorites below

Creatine monohydrate (HCl is fine but it needs to be dosed the same as mono until proven otherwise, which makes it a poor choice price wise)
LCLT
Citrulline (Cit malate is fine but dosing needs to be adjusted to account for the "undesirable" malic acid)
Agmatine sulfate
Nitrates (potassium nitrate is my personal favorite)
Beta Alanine
Caffeine

 

[Amon amarth]

Bought this at walmart for 3.00 thoughts?

 

[Standup]

Theacrine is somewhat new, DMPEA, DMHA, and N-Methylliberine is probably the newest. I tried some of the latter a few weeks back it's got a nice kick to it alot faster acting than theacrine just doesn't last as long.

 

[VaughnTrue]

View attachment 177566
Bought this at walmart for 3.00 thoughts?

it won't hurt, but theres absolutely zero way of knowing what actives are actually in there.

That said, based on the name "root powder" it would appear to me that this is just literally ground root powder. It's not an extract, which means actual effective doses are going to be very, very high.

 

[Amon amarth]

it won't hurt, but theres absolutely zero way of knowing what actives are actually in there.

That said, based on the name "root powder" it would appear to me that this is just literally ground root powder. It's not an extract, which means actual effective doses are going to be very, very high.

Holy smokes i got fauked there

 

[Old Witch]

it won't hurt, but theres absolutely zero way of knowing what actives are actually in there.

That said, based on the name "root powder" it would appear to me that this is just literally ground root powder. It's not an extract, which means actual effective doses are going to be very, very high.

And, you know, lots of toxic withaferin.

Withanolide extracts in high potency or I say don’t bother with ashwagandha as anything but a light gda in small doses. Unless you love poison.