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Been at least a year since I’ve run another thing outside of fish/daily/tumeric.
Any new natty anabolics that actually work on the market?
Any new natty anabolics that actually work on the market?
I ran it for 8 weeks and enjoyed it. Check out my review. I will run it again in the future. Hunger, weight, and strength went up noticeably. That's impressive considering I've been training for over 20 years.
*Please note the XT has been dropped from all product names, however the formula is the same.I recommend Mass Max XT as well. I have just finished up a two bottle run and have added 6 pounds and my strength has definitely gone up. Just yesterday I hit 300lb on the incline bench for my first time, and I'm just about to turn 50. This is actually my third time using Mass Max for a two bottle run and the first two runs were just as good as well.
What's the last product you've used? Over the last year, the two most talked about on the forum that are the newest would be MassMax and Vector. Very solid feedback and reviews on MassMax so far - it's a very complete product with a solid profile.Been at least a year since I’ve run another thing outside of fish/daily/tumeric.
Any new natty anabolics that actually work on the market?
Then how are the logs people ran saying they gained 5 pounds of lean mass wrong.funny you guys mention MassMax while it has been tested to not contain any beta ecdysterones what so ever, total scam.
This again? It was a “test” conducted by a US based competing company who sent this US based product to a lab in Uzbekistan to be tested. A lab that just so happens to also sell their own ecdysterone, that the first company just so happens to buy to use in their competing product. I couldn’t think of more conflicts of interest and red flags if I tried.funny you guys mention MassMax while it has been tested to not contain any beta ecdysterones what so ever, total scam.
While this is true, I am still not sure why you do not simply put up the lab test that exists to prove the contrary (has been mentioned somewhere else). Would be easy to do, although there are also conflicts of interest.This again? It was a “test” conducted by a US based competing company who sent this US based product to a lab in Uzbekistan to be tested. A lab that just so happens to also sell their own ecdysterone, that the first company just so happens to buy to use in their competing product. I couldn’t think of more conflicts of interest and red flags if I tried.
How often have you had the same results as suggested by those logs? I am not saying that everything is made up, but you can surely question whether those things work as advertised and described in many logs. How many guys here ascribe weight gains to some product while they increased food by a eg 1000 calories. Everybody should increase their weight in case.Then how are the logs people ran saying they gained 5 pounds of lean mass wrong.
Food intake is for sure a factor. That said, three supplements I’ve used (MassMax, Magnitropin, and Origin) all increased my appetite and allowed me to eat more without feeling full or bloated, which helped someone like me, who has a hard time eating enough to really put on weight, bulk. Of course there are other effects, but for some people, even just an increased appetite and reduced bloating/fullness can be a huge and useful bonus. Not having to force myself to eat and then feel miserable after meals really helps me bulk and keep it up, and can be a general quality of life boost IMO.How often have you had the same results as suggested by those logs? I am not saying that everything is made up, but you can surely question whether those things work as advertised and described in many logs. How many guys here ascribe weight gains to some product while they increased food by a eg 1000 calories. Everybody should increase their weight in case.
Anyhow, I would certainly not only use the experiences on this board as a guide and get my information also from other places.
There are conflicts of interest in posting up labs?While this is true, I am still not sure why you do not simply put up the lab test that exists to prove the contrary (has been mentioned somewhere else). Would be easy to do, although there are also conflicts of interest.
No, but people might say that the lab tests are also biased/whatever, because Performax paid for them. And believe it or not, as someone who worked in this industry, this happens quite often.There are conflicts of interest in posting up labs?
It would be nice if you could add something helpful to the thread and answer OP's question instead of just jumping in to make noise...No, but people might say that the lab tests are also biased/whatever, because Performax paid for them. And believe it or not, as someone who worked in this industry, this happens quite often.
But, anyways, I am not sure whether we will ever see those lab tests. We just know that there was no edcy because the lab in Uzbekistan is biased (although they found something for other products) and that there was no higenamine in an other product by Performax because it was expired. Would be nice to have some labs to get reassured about those things.
I’m pretty sure that no product besides the one from the company who paid for the testing (who also buys their ecdy from said lab) had any meaningful levels of ecdy, with 4/5 tested products having nothing detected, and the only one having any being ~1/10 of what their product was supposedly tested at. If I was fudging lab tests, I’d put in some random low numbers at times too, that way it doesn’t seem like they’re just giving ND across the board. They’re a US based company who sent another US based company’s products around the world to test for something any lab in the US could test for, and happened to send it to the only lab in the world that has not one, but two major conflicts of interest, being both a competing supplier of ecdy AND the ones who the company paying for the tests buy their ecdy for their product from. These “tests” are insulting.No, but people might say that the lab tests are also biased/whatever, because Performax paid for them. And believe it or not, as someone who worked in this industry, this happens quite often.
But, anyways, I am not sure whether we will ever see those lab tests. We just know that there was no edcy because the lab in Uzbekistan is biased (although they found something for other products) and that there was no higenamine in an other product by Performax because it was expired. Would be nice to have some labs to get reassured about those things.
Depends how you define helpful. If helpful means to suggest one your products for each question on this board and adding one competitor product to keep up the illusion of "neutrality", then my contributions are probably not helpful.It would be nice if you could add something helpful to the thread and answer OP's question instead of just jumping in to make noise...
Did you read the first post? He is asking if you have recommendations for new natural anabolic products. What do you use/have you used? What do you like?
You might be right and those tests are complete bs. Yet, you cannot deny that conflicts of interest are not a sufficient condition for a biased lab test, if you know what I mean. Similarly, it seems just so easy to post up the labs that have already been done anyways to make a gesture for the customers (who have doubts). Same with respect to the higenamine thing. But anyways, already talked too much about this topic. That is just my humble opinion.I’m pretty sure that no product besides the one from the company who paid for the testing (who also buys their ecdy from said lab) had any meaningful levels of ecdy, with 4/5 tested products having nothing detected, and the only one having any being ~1/10 of what their product was supposedly tested at. If I was fudging lab tests, I’d put in some random low numbers at times too, that way it doesn’t seem like they’re just giving ND across the board. They’re a US based company who sent another US based company’s products around the world to test for something any lab in the US could test for, and happened to send it to the only lab in the world that has not one, but two major conflicts of interest, being both a competing supplier of ecdy AND the ones who the company paying for the tests buy their ecdy for their product from. These “tests” are insulting.
The only thing that competes with Vector is Top Muscle by evomuse. Its a topical version of ARA (plus other stuff). It makes oral ARA obsolete. Good luck on your run bro...Thanks for the feedback guys. I’ve tried practically every recommendation on the list previously LOL with the exception of Vector. So it sounds like I’ll be doing some more research. Thanks for the feedback again!
The only thing that competes with Vector is Top Muscle by evomuse. Its a topical version of ARA (plus other stuff). It makes oral ARA obsolete. Good luck on your run bro...Thanks for the feedback guys. I’ve tried practically every recommendation on the list previously LOL with the exception of Vector. So it sounds like I’ll be doing some more research. Thanks for the feedback again!
I would recommend Folidrone over Ep1lougue. Having run Folidrone for over 2 years and recently ran Ep1lougue for 3 months. Glad to be back on Folidrone. Much more effective imo.I just started using Massacr3 by Olympus Labs. I’ve heard really good things about it and so decided to give it a go. I want to try Ep1logue next.
I would recommend Folidrone over Ep1lougue. Having run Folidrone for over 2 years and recently ran Ep1lougue for 3 months. Glad to be back on Folidrone. Much more effective imo.I just started using Massacr3 by Olympus Labs. I’ve heard really good things about it and so decided to give it a go. I want to try Ep1logue next.
what did you notice in terms of differences while on folidrone compared to ep1logue? i've heard nothing but great things regarding OL's products and a lot of ppl seem to rave over massacr3/ep1logue for a natty stack. I'm just trying each one separately first which is the only reason I dont have my hands on ep1logue yet.I would recommend Folidrone over Ep1lougue. Having run Folidrone for over 2 years and recently ran Ep1lougue for 3 months. Glad to be back on Folidrone. Much more effective imo.
Kind of agree with you on this. I still try a ton of natty products, if for no other reason it gives me that slight placebo boost.. but honestly, the claims you hear here about 5lbs gained from one friggin bottle of a natty product are so laughable. For the first time in a long time I spent my supplement money for next month on some overall wellness products I’ve been researching a lot about like Avmacol, hydrolyzed collagen, 3g EPA/DHA fish oil, CL Orange Triad plus Greens. I’ll see if my overall well-being improves and gives me the same placebo / minor effects in the gym that some natty products do.Only natty product I have ever seen anytime of benefit from is ArA. You might feel a little fuller or have placebo with most products.. which is fine.. but I'd rather spend my money elsewhere at this point
The big difference was endurance which means allot when you are trying to get more and more performance out of the gym. I can lift more and for more reps and I can workout much longer. And although the vas06 in Ep1lougue gives a great pump, I get a different pump from Folidrone that is longer lasting and feels more functional than Epi1lougue - I mean it feels like you can use the pump more in the gym - I apologize if I cannot describe this. And Ep1ilougue's benefits got stale at the 2 month mark; whereas, I have literally run Folidrone for years straight and it keeps on giving and actually gets better and better. For the first couple of weeks I liked Ep1loughe better, but I determined that was me just using vas06 for the first time. OL is great, don't get me wrong. But BLR is on another level with all their supplements. imo and experience the best stack going is Vector / Folidrone hands down imo. You can only make that better by adding Top Muscle from evomuse. I think your doing it right by trying one at a time - good luck on your runs.what did you notice in terms of differences while on folidrone compared to ep1logue? i've heard nothing but great things regarding OL's products and a lot of ppl seem to rave over massacr3/ep1logue for a natty stack. I'm just trying each one separately first which is the only reason I dont have my hands on ep1logue yet.
That’s awesome to hear. I’ll definitely add folidrone/vector to the list of supps to try. Thanks for your input!The big difference was endurance which means allot when you are trying to get more and more performance out of the gym. I can lift more and for more reps and I can workout much longer. And although the vas06 in Ep1lougue gives a great pump, I get a different pump from Folidrone that is longer lasting and feels more functional than Epi1lougue - I mean it feels like you can use the pump more in the gym - I apologize if I cannot describe this. And Ep1ilougue's benefits got stale at the 2 month mark; whereas, I have literally run Folidrone for years straight and it keeps on giving and actually gets better and better. For the first couple of weeks I liked Ep1loughe better, but I determined that was me just using vas06 for the first time. OL is great, don't get me wrong. But BLR is on another level with all their supplements. imo and experience the best stack going is Vector / Folidrone hands down imo. You can only make that better by adding Top Muscle from evomuse. I think your doing it right by trying one at a time - good luck on your runs.
Most likely to speed up the forum.interdasting
also why did this website get rid of the notification button at the top of forum
Can you elaborate a bit about your result?Antaeus Labs Hydra Head Six deserves honorable mention for a natty anabolic. It is one of the more impressive products out there IMO..
The only thing I didn’t like about it was it seemed to negatively affect my libido/boners etc. Then again, I was in the midst of PCT so I had a few other factors going on.
Either way, I will definitely be using it again!
I would classify it as an exceptional recomp product. Notable increase in strength, all day pumps, vascularity. Literally enhanced the look of my physique by simply ingesting the product, regardless what I was doing, or not doing physically. Somebody more disciplined than myself could likely get pretty darn shredded on it, and/or build some quality muscle.Can you elaborate a bit about your result?
If somebody read the last sentence has a resume it suck lol. Than you for the feedback! Will try now!I would classify it as an exceptional recomp product. Notable increase in strength, all day pumps, vascularity. Literally enhanced the look of my physique by simply ingesting the product, regardless what I was doing, or not doing physically. Somebody more disciplined than myself could likely get pretty darn shredded on it, and/or build some quality muscle.
Results, hard to say...as I was in the midst of PCT. I didn’t feel like I lost any muscle size, and my strength was nearly as good as when I was on on my multi prohormone run this past summer.
I also experienced an increase in energy and general well being.
Crap...
I know! That’s why I had to explain that partIf somebody read the last sentence has a resume it suck lol. Than you for the feedback! Will try now!
I'm running hh6 right now and I'm loving it, strength and weight are up. I too noticed decreased libido, erections are fine I just don't think about/desire sex as often as before, not in a huge way, but enough to notice.I know! That’s why I had to explain that part
Cool...I will be interested to hear your feedback. I have seen nothing but praise so far, but there still are not very many reviews for it compared to other products. Another AM member also reported the reduction in libido/ease of erections as well. Went back to baseline quite quickly after cessation of the product though for me, and it wasn’t like I couldn’t perform. I suspect some people may not even experience this.
Anyway, I dosed it 4 times a day, usually without food. I always took 1 capsule preworkout. It works great as a preworkout pump product in it’s own right.
Yeah...truly fantastic stuff! Too bad it has that one little hiccup...:surprised:I'm running hh6 right now and I'm loving it, strength and weight are up. I too noticed decreased libido, erections are fine I just don't think about/desire sex as often as before, not in a huge way, but enough to notice.
Have any of you guys who noticed this tried taking something like ashwagandha, tongkat ali, and/or maca to try to minimize this?Yeah...truly fantastic stuff! Too bad it has that one little hiccup...:surprised:
I was on K1NGS BLOOD at the time, with extra LJ 100. This usually treats me great, and I rarely have libido/ED problems. I was also still tapering off Torem during the first part of my run. I was not on MACA at the time, but I have gotten some black MACA more recently and have really enjoyed that!Have any of you guys who noticed this tried taking something like ashwagandha, tongkat ali, and/or maca to try to minimize this?
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