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Looking for a PH I can buy now, like through predator that's similar to Dbol. Thanks! If not, the best other than RPN Havoc from pred.
Sources? Also I've read Trest is a good base... I've also heard it's like Tren... idk. Can you use the full names? I'm getting back into PH'sthere are a lot of goodies from VL and NL .. I think you would like Dien diol and or Delt 6.. both are mildly wet and good for bulking..
of course trest is always a go to.
Trest would work great as a test baseSources? Also I've read Trest is a good base... I've also heard it's like Tren... idk. Can you use the full names? I'm getting back into PH's
Wouldn't AndroTest be better for a base since it's a one step conversion? And since Trest is a base why run it alone?Trest would work great as a test base
You could run trest alone, but it would definitely make a nice addition to a methyl of choice like nanodrol. Im not too familiar with androtest. Trest seems to be the most favorable test base when it comes to oralsWouldn't AndroTest be better for a base since it's a one step conversion? And since Trest is a base why run it alone?
Alright and what about Trest with liquitren?You could run trest alone, but it would definitely make a nice addition to a methyl of choice like nanodrol. Im not too familiar with androtest. Trest seems to be the most favorable test base when it comes to orals
I wouldn't. Trest converts to methylestradiol and prolactin. Trendione converts to prolactin. Prolactin+prolactin=no thanks haha.Alright and what about Trest with liquitren?
I'm not too familiar with the compound, but I do know that trestolone converts to methylestradiol (which is harder to deal with than regular estradiol) and prolactin. It's probably a compound I wouldn't use unless I has proper experience and knowledge imoI've heard Trest isn't worth the sides...
A long time ago when Tr3n from OL was still around I ran inhibit p along side with it and it worked fine.Would inhibit-p be enough to control prolactin from dien diol
I would keep an aromatize inhibitor and caber on hand if you run trest+trendione. With estro under control, you probably wont need the caber.A long time ago when Tr3n from OL was still around I ran inhibit p along side with it and it worked fine.
Rpn havoc was greatSo what would you recommend right now? I think the best Epi was RPN Havoc and that's on backorder so now I'm searching predator looking for a good PH ago run.
Other than Havoc, what do you recommend right now that's available?Rpn havoc was great
I've only tried havoc and nanodrol from them. Both were great. If you want more strength, nanodrol would probably be better. Both will work great for a recomp or bulk with proper calories.Other than Havoc, what do you recommend right now that's available?
Are there any m14add like PH's out there right now?I've only tried havoc and nanodrol from them. Both were great. If you want more strength, nanodrol would probably be better. Both will work great for a recomp or bulk with proper calories.
If not, check out PRE's products in the research chem sub-forum.Would inhibit-p be enough to control prolactin from dien diol
Is nano phera actually phera?Methdrol, nanodrol and nanophera are all options from predator if you want something strong
Nothing (like) dbol but superdrol and real pheraplex will be similar. Dmz can also be in the ballpark. msten at 30-40 mg is pretty strong too.Honestly, nothing on Predator will be anything like Dianabol. Oral trest is pretty weak on its own, and legit Dbol is far from weak.
Those are definitely as strong as Dbol, but not really similar, in my opinion.Nothing (like) dbol but superdrol and real pheraplex will be similar. Dmz can also be in the ballpark. msten at 30-40 mg is pretty strong too.
Ya that's what I was saying, compare in strength but different goalsThose are definitely as strong as Dbol, but not really similar, in my opinion.
I can't find diabolix for the life of me. Are both of those banned?Celtic Labs Dianadrol and Ironflex Diabolix are basicallly dianabol conjugates (if you can still find them).
pretty sure diabolix isn't made anymore... IIRC they had a final blowout right at ban time.I can't find diabolix for the life of me. Are both of those banned?
think there may have been a few logs floating around from when they were clearing them out... haven't looked tho.i know where there is some diabolix up for grabs right now. But ive never even read up on it, what is it like side wise and results wise?
Yup, they stopped production in late 2014 with the ban. Diabolix isn't specifically listed in the ban but they pulled it regardless.pretty sure diabolix isn't made anymore... IIRC they had a final blowout right at ban time.
I heard it's a dryer version of dbol. Less estrogen sides etc....I have 2 bottles I might crack into next cycle.think there may have been a few logs floating around from when they were clearing them out... haven't looked tho.
Trest is a STRONG steroid, not just a base... just not that bioavailable, it is great in TD and SO much better via IM. Besides without some DHT Trest is not really that great of a test base. It does not supply any DHT at all. Testosterone is broken down into DHT and Estrogen, Trest does not break down into DHT. DHT is the one that makes oral cycles more tolerable and gets rid of more sides...Wouldn't AndroTest be better for a base since it's a one step conversion? And since Trest is a base why run it alone?
Not true at all but you need to know how to manage them and unless your goal is getting a bra running oral is basically a waste other than using as a pre-workout but still it hits so hard it is aromatized like a mofo!I've heard Trest isn't worth the sides...
Not at all... at best a good recomp drug even when taken at high doses. High dose epistane beats high dosed MSten any day of the week and twice on Tuesday.Isn't msten like SD but without the sides?
Methdrol is a superdrol clone. Msten is pretty good imo; it's comparable to epistane, but less lean and more strength. Halodrol does not beat epistane from what I've seen/heard. Cynostane doesn't have enough feedback for me to comment on.Trest is a STRONG steroid, not just a base... just not that bioavailable, it is great in TD and SO much better via IM. Besides without some DHT Trest is not really that great of a test base. It does not supply any DHT at all. Testosterone is broken down into DHT and Estrogen, Trest does not break down into DHT. DHT is the one that makes oral cycles more tolerable and gets rid of more sides...
Not true at all but you need to know how to manage them and unless your goal is getting a bra running oral is basically a waste other than using as a pre-workout but still it hits so hard it is aromatized like a mofo!
Not at all... at best a good recomp drug even when taken at high doses. High dose epistane beats high dosed MSten any day of the week and twice on Tuesday.
From what I saw on Predator you have a few options of stronger stuff.
Halodrol - Run 75 a day first week 100 day 2nd -4th, 125day 5th-6th, 150 day 7-8th week. Should gain about 10lbs of LEAN tissue
Cynostane - a good cycle with 2 bottles about the same results as above but likely more muscle. Like a mild DMZ
Methdrol - run at 30mg for 30 days 10+ lbs it's DMZ baby!
Nanobol - just like Halodrol but a tiny bit wetter some say adds a little more mass.
NANOPHERA - Now this one is the one you want from what I can tell and it is a limited run. I am not familiar with a lot of the brands that are there because most of the US based brands no longer make any of them. However Phera is going to give you lots of mass, & lots of strength!!!! If this stuff is legit this will be the biggest and strongest of what they have available right now.
True.If you want something like dbol then why not just use dbol?
Trest is so much more androgenic than DHT it's not even funny.Trest is a STRONG steroid, not just a base... just not that bioavailable, it is great in TD and SO much better via IM. Besides without some DHT Trest is not really that great of a test base. It does not supply any DHT at all. Testosterone is broken down into DHT and Estrogen, Trest does not break down into DHT. DHT is the one that makes oral cycles more tolerable and gets rid of more sides...
Not true at all but you need to know how to manage them and unless your goal is getting a bra running oral is basically a waste other than using as a pre-workout but still it hits so hard it is aromatized like a mofo!
Not at all... at best a good recomp drug even when taken at high doses. High dose epistane beats high dosed MSten any day of the week and twice on Tuesday.
From what I saw on Predator you have a few options of stronger stuff.
Halodrol - Run 75 a day first week 100 day 2nd -4th, 125day 5th-6th, 150 day 7-8th week. Should gain about 10lbs of LEAN tissue
Cynostane - a good cycle with 2 bottles about the same results as above but likely more muscle. Like a mild DMZ
Methdrol - run at 30mg for 30 days 10+ lbs it's DMZ baby!
Nanobol - just like Halodrol but a tiny bit wetter some say adds a little more mass.
NANOPHERA - Now this one is the one you want from what I can tell and it is a limited run. I am not familiar with a lot of the brands that are there because most of the US based brands no longer make any of them. However Phera is going to give you lots of mass, & lots of strength!!!! If this stuff is legit this will be the biggest and strongest of what they have available right now.
That was my thought too, but I anticipated him saying "I want something I can buy from a reputable store, I dont know any good UGLs"...and so I couldnt be bothered having that argument.If you want something like dbol then why not just use dbol?
I wish I could explain on here why taking Dbol is not an option for me right now. I can't be injecting Test and taking Dbol because of my job. In a year I can run all the gear I want. For now I'm sticking to PH and sarmsThat was my thought too, but I anticipated him saying "I want something I can buy from a reputable store, I dont know any good UGLs"...and so I couldnt be bothered having that argument.
you can take an oral ph but not oral dbol? makes no sense...I wish I could explain on here why taking Dbol is not an option for me right now. I can't be injecting Test and taking Dbol because of my job. In a year I can run all the gear I want. For now I'm sticking to PH and sarms
It seemed to be really mild... Nothing like dbol at all. I remember unimpressive 6-8 lb gains in 5-6 week cycles.i know where there is some diabolix up for grabs right now. But ive never even read up on it, what is it like side wise and results wise?
Unfortunately dbol has the reputation it has because there really isn't anything like it. In terms of strength, wetness and feel good. There are plenty of good compounds out there. What are your goals and what are you looking for in a compound?I wish I could explain on here why taking Dbol is not an option for me right now. I can't be injecting Test and taking Dbol because of my job. In a year I can run all the gear I want. For now I'm sticking to PH and sarms
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