First Cycle PCT

[dthach]

Goals: Gain mass and possibly lean out.

Getting bloodwork done this tuesday

Proposed Cycle: 10wk Test-E - 500mg/wk - 2 pins/wk
Arimidex on hand or possible .25-.5mg EoD

Proposed PCT: This is where I get confused I here whispers from two groups, clomid + nolva or just nolva or just clomid

I've seen PCT's that say:
Clomid 70/70/35/35mg ED
Tamox/nolva 40/40/20/20mg ED

or just the clomid or just the nolva.

Can you guys give me insight?

Much appreciated.

 

[GeekPoop]

clomid by itself is plenty fine.

50/25/25/25 for clomid or if you're going to use nolva 40/20/20/20. Don't listen to those ridiculous doses of 100-300mgs clomid or 40/40/40/x nolva doses. thats just retarded.

 

[infraredline]

Goals: Gain mass and possibly lean out.

Getting bloodwork done this tuesday

Proposed Cycle: 10wk Test-E - 500mg/wk - 2 pins/wk
Arimidex on hand or possible .25-.5mg EoD

Proposed PCT: This is where I get confused I here whispers from two groups, clomid + nolva or just nolva or just clomid

I've seen PCT's that say:
Clomid 70/70/35/35mg ED
Tamox/nolva 40/40/20/20mg ED

or just the clomid or just the nolva.

Can you guys give me insight?

Much appreciated.

You need more then just clomid to fully recover. You need d-aspartic acid and another natty booster that contains avenacosoides or stinging nettle root in it. Also erase or a mild Ai should be included to prevent an estrogen rebound. Pct is the most expensive part of the cycle, if you aren't willing to pay for a full pct then don't cycle, plain and simple.

Also I think you will see plenty good results with 350mg a week of test, remember less is more.

 

[dthach]

Ah so clomid itself should do the trick? I wonder why everyone use nolva (usually by itself), in a large percentage of the posts I see. Any comment on the poster below? Is DAA needed? and erase? I've read that nolva is needed with erase but not the other way around... am I misinformed?

Thanks for the help.

 

[Matthersby]

No. A Serm is NEEDED and IS your PCT. Everything else is supplementary and not necessary for recovery. If you are going to spend money, spend it on some HCG to run on-cycle and Toremifene for PCT. The only reason I ever buy DAA, and possibly other OTC additions for PCT is for peace of mind, to be thorough with PCT, and because they are cheap. I have used all of the above with tons of OTC extras after a cycle and I've also just ran some low-dosed clomid Post-cycle and literally observed no difference.. However, I have no bloodwork to substantiate my claims, as I have never seen anyone's bloodwork substantiating their OTC-additions in Post Cycle either.

 

[warbird01]

Also, you probably should bring your PCT goals back to reality. No way you are gaining mass and losing fat. You actually will probably lose mass and gain fat, but try to limit the damage.

I always use this pct:

Nolva
20/20/10/10
25/25/25/25
DAA
3g/3g/3g/3g
Reduce XT (cortisol control)
0/0/3/3/3/3

 

[RegisterJr]

In for info

 

[dthach]

No. A Serm is NEEDED and IS your PCT. Everything else is supplementary and not necessary for recovery. If you are going to spend money, spend it on some HCG to run on-cycle and Toremifene for PCT. The only reason I ever buy DAA, and possibly other OTC additions for PCT is for peace of mind, to be thorough with PCT, and because they are cheap. I have used all of the above with tons of OTC extras after a cycle and I've also just ran some low-dosed clomid Post-cycle and literally observed no difference.. However, I have no bloodwork to substantiate my claims, as I have never seen anyone's bloodwork substantiating their OTC-additions in Post Cycle either.

Just for clarification, Clomid AND Nolva is needed, but you say DAA is unnecessary correct, but you take it just for reassurance? Much appreciated, I hope more people chime in, it is a quite a relatively simple topic; but seeing people's responses are quite intriguing.

 

[dthach]

Also, you probably should bring your PCT goals back to reality. No way you are gaining mass and losing fat. You actually will probably lose mass and gain fat, but try to limit the damage.

I always use this pct:

Nolva
20/20/10/10
25/25/25/25
DAA
3g/3g/3g/3g
Reduce XT (cortisol control)
0/0/3/3/3/3

Sorry, I meant test cycle goals, I've heard on 4chan boards that tren is known lean certain persons out while putting a good amount of mass on, but such is 4chan.

Did you mean Nolva 20/20/10/10 and climid 25/25/25/25? or did you mean nova for 8 weeks? thanks.

 

[warbird01]

Sorry, I meant test cycle goals, I've heard on 4chan boards that tren is known lean certain persons out while putting a good amount of mass on, but such is 4chan.

Did you mean Nolva 20/20/10/10 and climid 25/25/25/25? or did you mean nova for 8 weeks? thanks.

Yes, that is possible on tren. Tren is insane.

I mean 4 weeks, take them together.

 

[Matthersby]

Everyone's Post Cycle looks different because people are different. Their experiences and side effects are different. I seem to recover better with Clomid or Torem than Nolva. But Clomid makes me an emotional mess. I've also been annoyed with libido/stamina is PCT so I usually like to throw a lot of L-dopa in also. Cortisol control is a smart move. DAA is extremely popular and seems to help with energy, mood and strength(although the studies aren't looking too good lately) and Erase can help with rebound. My only point is, a SERM is what's necessary to restart the HPTA, that's it.. Being safe, recovering your natural production, and keeping gains are really the goal here, so in PCT, more products can be better.

 

[rphash49]

Clomid gives me a crazy "load". It's awesome but the girlfriend doesn't like it. She gets her daily value of protein in one shot so I don't know what she is bitching about .....

 

[laneanders]

You should run natty boosters like Tropinol XP and Intimidate SRT alongside your SERM, whichever you choose to run that is.

 

[rphash49]

You should run natty boosters like Tropinol XP and Intimidate SRT alongside your SERM, whichever you choose to run that is.

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[veaderko]

You really only need Nolva or Clomid. Any test booster is just a "bonus" to help bring things back to normal levels that much quicker. In all reality, the only way you will know what works is for you to try it and see what happens. Obviously at the bare minimum having one of the other. If you choose to go with more supps to help bring you back to normal I like Intimidate due to the NMDAA instead of DAA.

 

[dkgreene88]

I usually take clomid post cycle and intimidate SRT but it's not required

 

[laneanders]

Reversitol V2 might be a good option as well.