Ultra Reps or Craze?

[Mission1]

Gonna purchase one....... But I can't decide. Jack3d is good but it keeps me up and I can't sleep. Even when I take one scoop at 3 pm and I train at 7pm. Very sensitive to stims. I tried lit up and I didn't like it. I M R does the same to me as Jack3d. Any suggestions??

 

[D2footballjrc]

If you want stimmed - Crazed, if you want non-stim - Ultima/Hemoval

 

[Bagged01]

dude i just bought craze,supersize and flashover!!!

 

[mattrag]

Craze. Listen to today's superhuman radio. The formulator talks about it. I'd take it if I didn't have so many other pre workouts already waiting to be run....

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

Craze. Listen to today's superhuman radio. The formulator talks about it. I'd take it if I didn't have so many other pre workouts already waiting to be run....

Was a good listen. Carl and Matt were great to listen too

 

[BB12]

It sounds like the time that you workout, a heavy stim product my impact the time you need to recover or fall asleep. I haven't tried Craze, but it does appear to contain Caffeine Anhydrous .

Granted I'm an AX Rep, but just looking at what you've stated about stims and the time you workout.... I'd go with Ultra Reps.

 

[flightposite]

Yeah it really just depends. If you want the stims then craze and the energy does last awhile. But if you train at night before bed and want a non stim then ultra reps is the way to go.

 

[mr.cooper69]

I initially recommended craze but after seeing that many individuals shared some pretty serious side effects with me, I would strongly advise against it. I'd opt for option C: SAN Fierce.

 

[Mission1]

I'm kinda leading the same way as well. Ultra reps might be better for me because of my particular sensitivity to stims. When I tried jack3d and 1 m r and when I fell asleep it felt like my body was sleeping but my mind wasn't. Not sure if you know what mean there, but I definitely don't feel rested after taking pre workout powders. But I love the focus,strength , and pumps.

 

[Young Gotti]

yeah def sounds like u need something thats either non stim or extremely light on the stimulants.....from what i've heard craze is pretty potent, so i'd go with the ultra reps

ultra reps seems like it takes the route of limiting muscles from wearing down which should lead to longer and better workouts with an endurance boost rather than an energy boost

 

[RealBigga]

I initially recommended craze but after seeing that many individuals shared some pretty serious side effects with me, I would strongly advise against it. I'd opt for option C: SAN Fierce.

what were the side effects?

 

[mr.cooper69]

what were the side effects?

Too many to name. Aside from pretty much going temporarily blind, my cognitive functions were hampered for the rest of the day. In the words of a friend of mine: "Coming down from craze was like coming down from MDMA."

 

[RealBigga]

Too many to name. Aside from pretty much going temporarily blind, my cognitive functions were hampered for the rest of the day. In the words of a friend of mine: "Coming down from craze was like coming down from MDMA."

bwhahahahaha
damn

yea im good off that, thanks

 

[Clever Mouse]

Too many to name. Aside from pretty much going temporarily blind, my cognitive functions were hampered for the rest of the day. In the words of a friend of mine: "Coming down from craze was like coming down from MDMA."

wtf? Craze's been getting rave reviews+++++ from so many people now. Care to share why you think YOU went temporarily blind and your cognitive functions were hampered?! Sounds like a PEA overdose/buildup, but I haven't tried it, yet.

 

[itzDodge]

wtf? Craze's been getting rave reviews+++++ from so many people now. Care to share why you think YOU went temporarily blind and your cognitive functions were hampered?! Sounds like a PEA overdose/buildup, but I haven't tried it, yet.

A few people are overly sensitive to certain things, a few things in the formula could cause this reaction but you'd be anamoly if it did this to you. Not saying it hasn't happened because it has, some good bros don't tolerate the formula well but 90% of people love it. My guess is the main issue would be basically catecholamine over load

 

[emekajokammor]

Hey Mission1! Thanks for considering UltraReps.

Being stim sensitive is rough considering that so many products rely on them. But be encouraged because if you invest in a product with the right amount of stims as well as pump inducing ingrediants you'll be able to achieve that pump that Arnold described. Lol

Given your situation, i recommend UltraReps not because it's AX but because Craze seems to be a little too heavy on the stims for someone who is stim sensitive. It would also be great to give your CNS a break without risking losing focus and drive while your in the gym! Very much worth a try IMO...

 

[mr.cooper69]

wtf? Craze's been getting rave reviews+++++ from so many people now. Care to share why you think YOU went temporarily blind and your cognitive functions were hampered?! Sounds like a PEA overdose/buildup, but I haven't tried it, yet.

I'm not going to get into it, and there's a reason I don't mention it too often: because the Craze fanboys (at least from my observations on BB.com) seem to attack full force if there are any dissenters. They blame other supplements, they blame the person's diet, etc...I know why it did what it did, and of my closest friends on various boards, the vast majority have noticed similar effects but do not publicly mention it for fear of backlash. I'm by no means saying this is what you're doing, because it's not, but if you want to know my thoughts I can PM you a paper a friend of mine wrote (with his permission).

Also, if anyone in this thread wants some craze, I have some tubs here that I'm willing to trade in your favor

As Dodge said, there are also others who respond extremely well to craze; my issue is that DS stresses that those who respond poorly to craze are few and far between, when the reality from my observations is that craze presents more side effects among users than any other preworkout on the market.

 

[itzDodge]

I'm not going to get into it, and there's a reason I don't mention it too often: because the Craze fanboys (at least from my observations on BB.com) seem to attack full force if there are any dissenters. They blame other supplements, they blame the person's diet, etc...I know why it did what it did, and of my closest friends on various boards, the vast majority have noticed similar effects but do not publicly mention it for fear of backlash. I'm by no means saying this is what you're doing, because it's not, but if you want to know my thoughts I can PM you a paper a friend of mine wrote (with his permission).

Also, if anyone in this thread wants some craze, I have some tubs here that I'm willing to trade in your favor

As Dodge said, there are also others who respond extremely well to craze; my issue is that DS stresses that those who respond poorly to craze are few and far between, when the reality from my observations is that craze presents more side effects among users than any other preworkout on the market.

negged

malice told me he wrote a paper on it but I thought he was making hyperbole lol

 

[bdcc]

I'm not going to get into it, and there's a reason I don't mention it too often: because the Craze fanboys (at least from my observations on BB.com) seem to attack full force if there are any dissenters. They blame other supplements, they blame the person's diet, etc...I know why it did what it did, and of my closest friends on various boards, the vast majority have noticed similar effects but do not publicly mention it for fear of backlash. I'm by no means saying this is what you're doing, because it's not, but if you want to know my thoughts I can PM you a paper a friend of mine wrote (with his permission).

Also, if anyone in this thread wants some craze, I have some tubs here that I'm willing to trade in your favor

As Dodge said, there are also others who respond extremely well to craze; my issue is that DS stresses that those who respond poorly to craze are few and far between, when the reality from my observations is that craze presents more side effects among users than any other preworkout on the market.

If your offer of a PM is open to all applicants then I would like one please. I have only read a couple of people mentioning serious side effects but what I have heard was enough for me to wait on my purchase. Someone was comparing it to the old SX.

 

[RealBigga]

I'm not going to get into it, and there's a reason I don't mention it too often: because the Craze fanboys (at least from my observations on BB.com) seem to attack full force if there are any dissenters. They blame other supplements, they blame the person's diet, etc...I know why it did what it did, and of my closest friends on various boards, the vast majority have noticed similar effects but do not publicly mention it for fear of backlash. I'm by no means saying this is what you're doing, because it's not, but if you want to know my thoughts I can PM you a paper a friend of mine wrote (with his permission).

Also, if anyone in this thread wants some craze, I have some tubs here that I'm willing to trade in your favor

As Dodge said, there are also others who respond extremely well to craze; my issue is that DS stresses that those who respond poorly to craze are few and far between, when the reality from my observations is that craze presents more side effects among users than any other preworkout on the market.

Thanks for keeping it 100.

 

[mr.cooper69]

If your offer of a PM is open to all applicants then I would like one please. I have only read a couple of people mentioning serious side effects but what I have heard was enough for me to wait on my purchase. Someone was comparing it to the old SX.

I will talk to the author of the paper tonight (lol dodge ) and see if he is comfortable with others viewing it. I know he wanted to keep it between a select few until showing it to DS as well, and I fully agree with that stance so it may be a week or so before I get back to you, just so we can get both sides of the story.

 

[Clever Mouse]

I will talk to the author of the paper tonight (lol dodge ) and see if he is comfortable with others viewing it. I know he wanted to keep it between a select few until showing it to DS as well, and I fully agree with that stance so it may be a week or so before I get back to you, just so we can get both sides of the story.

I'll appreciate a look as well if possible. I'm trying the supplement out next week.

But, really, sounds like a PEA overdose! (I've had a couple. Not fun.)

 

[itzDodge]

I will talk to the author of the paper tonight (lol dodge ) and see if he is comfortable with others viewing it. I know he wanted to keep it between a select few until showing it to DS as well, and I fully agree with that stance so it may be a week or so before I get back to you, just so we can get both sides of the story.

he still won't share his GDA paper with me

but I understand politics and what not, Andy seemed ready to talk about it though so maybe soon we can all be enlightened. I wish I knew what caused some people issues

 

[ProteinMurder]

Gotta agree with MrCooper here, I love the workouts Craze gives me. It's performance exceeded my expectations. But the stuff makes me feel ROTTEN afterwards. mentally I mean. A real heavy heavy depressed feeling that lasts for hours. It is hard tpo explain - I just feel "wrong" coming down off the stuff. It clearly has some heavy stuff in it. But your right, you don't feel like you can say anything cause too many people love it...

 

[Mission1]

Hey Mission1! Thanks for considering UltraReps.

Being stim sensitive is rough considering that so many products rely on them. But be encouraged because if you invest in a product with the right amount of stims as well as pump inducing ingrediants you'll be able to achieve that pump that Arnold described. Lol

Given your situation, i recommend UltraReps not because it's AX but because Craze seems to be a little too heavy on the stims for someone who is stim sensitive. It would also be great to give your CNS a break without risking losing focus and drive while your in the gym! Very much worth a try IMO...

I'm definitely leaning towards ultra reps at this point. I just need something to get me over the hump. I'm up at 6 am then I train at 7pm. My workouts are 1 1/2. So if I have something to give me a extra.edge it would help me get to the next level. Rocky sound tracks only work so far!

 

[RealBigga]

Gotta agree with MrCooper here, I love the workouts Craze gives me. It's performance exceeded my expectations. But the stuff makes me feel ROTTEN afterwards. mentally I mean. A real heavy heavy depressed feeling that lasts for hours. It is hard tpo explain - I just feel "wrong" coming down off the stuff. It clearly has some heavy stuff in it. But your right, you don't feel like you can say anything cause too many people love it...

wow

 

[Powercage]

Could someone post the UltraReps profile?

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

Ultra Reps Performance Blend 5722mg

German Creatine Monohydrate (Creapure), Taurine, Enterically coated L-Carnosine (b-Alanyl-l-histidine), Disodium Adenosine-5'-triphosphate, Trisodium Citrate dihydrate, Theobromine anhydrous.

 

[Clickster]

Since you are sensitive to stims then I would go with AX Ultra Reps for sure. Has been nothing but positive for me thus far.

Good Luck with your training.

 

[emekajokammor]

I'm definitely leaning towards ultra reps at this point. I just need something to get me over the hump. I'm up at 6 am then I train at 7pm. My workouts are 1 1/2. So if I have something to give me a extra.edge it would help me get to the next level. Rocky sound tracks only work so far!

Eye of the tiger!! lol, well if you swing by our FB page (http://www.facebook.com/AthleticXtreme) and check out the Weekly Giveaway tab, we're giving away a free FULL size tub of Ultra Reps starting tomorrow morning! Hope you win bro!

 

[BB12]

Eye of the tiger!! lol, well if you swing by our FB page (http://www.facebook.com/AthleticXtreme) and check out the Weekly Giveaway tab, we're giving away a free FULL size tub of Ultra Reps starting tomorrow morning! Hope you win bro!

It's a sign

 

[Mission1]

Eye of the tiger!! lol, well if you swing by our FB page (http://www.facebook.com/AthleticXtreme) and check out the Weekly Giveaway tab, we're giving away a free FULL size tub of Ultra Reps starting tomorrow morning! Hope you win bro!

Thank

 

[Mission1]

Eye of the tiger!! lol, well if you swing by our FB page (http://www.facebook.com/AthleticXtreme) and check out the Weekly Giveaway tab, we're giving away a free FULL size tub of Ultra Reps starting tomorrow morning! Hope you win bro!

Thanks again

 

[CountryLiftin]

Ever think about adding a smaller dose of the stims to something like Ultra? Kinda the best of both worlds. I respond to stims like crazy, and use a ****tail including a half scoop of Lit up and maybe 1/20th scoop of 1MR and leave the 1Mr out on the less intense days. I respond ridiculously to it, so much that I get sick on a full scoop. haha. just a thought. But I definitely like the look of ultra

 

[standon]

Have a sample of craze here will prob give it away or sell it

 

[wakingmalice]

Is this real life?

 

[wakingmalice]

I will talk to the author of the paper tonight (lol dodge ) and see if he is comfortable with others viewing it. I know he wanted to keep it between a select few until showing it to DS as well, and I fully agree with that stance so it may be a week or so before I get back to you, just so we can get both sides of the story.

Spicey...

he still won't share his GDA paper with me

but I understand politics and what not, Andy seemed ready to talk about it though so maybe soon we can all be enlightened. I wish I knew what caused some people issues

ultra spicey...

 

[ChuckParr24]

Does SuperSize do the same thing to you or is it a good product to take. I'm currently taking C4 which seems pretty good to me but I'm open to trying new products, that will help me better.

 

[Bnatural]

Interesting to see some more light shed on Craze and the after effects. Curious what the groupies will chime in with now.
I did not get much from it, I mean it was decent but not the super effective mental clarity stuff that some seemed to get.

 

[bayboi]

i used to take jacked which was pretty good but by the end of the tub the effects weren't as strong as when i first started it i take craze now 30-45 minutes before my workout im super focused and pumped i stay in the gym for hours with no problem i go home eat shower and go to sleep one thing i noticed while taking products with stims is you have to workout hard and burn the energy off if not you will be up all night

 

[southpaw23]

Interesting to see some more light shed on Craze and the after effects. Curious what the groupies will chime in with now.
I did not get much from it, I mean it was decent but not the super effective mental clarity stuff that some seemed to get.

Not a groupie, more so a consumer and Craze works perfectly for my purposes. It's my favorite PWO to date and I've tried all if not most of them, including my second favorite stim based PWO, Mesomorph. Just my two cents.

 

[southpaw23]

Have a sample of craze here will prob give it away or sell it

I'll take it.

 

[DaJaP]

I hadn't heard anything about such side effect, good to know. I dont know why anyone would berate someone sharing their experience (bad or good) with a supp. Regardless of whether your body or other supps you are taking causes such neg side effects, the knowledge of said effects are still valued. I personally have been using it for a little over a week and have not experienced any sight issues or crash coming off of it, but i now know what to cut out if weird s*** starts happening.

 

[Cool]

Interesting to see some more light shed on Craze and the after effects. Curious what the groupies will chime in with now.
I did not get much from it, I mean it was decent but not the super effective mental clarity stuff that some seemed to get.

same here. I'm not getting much from it but an upset stomach. I read reviews that maybe 5-10% had this prob but the rest of the feedback was overwhelmingly positive. I do have a good tolerance to stims but, oh well I guess. I have it up for trade in the auction. I also struck out Ultima which I had been waiting to try for a long time. The choline makes me foggy even at half dose. I get Super Size next on my list if anyone wants to trade :fingerscrossed:

 

[T-Bone]

Ultra Reps.

 

[Bnatural]

same here. I'm not getting much from it but an upset stomach. I read reviews that maybe 5-10% had this prob but the rest of the feedback was overwhelmingly positive. I do have a good tolerance to stims but, oh well I guess. I have it up for trade in the auction. I also struck out Ultima which I had been waiting to try for a long time. The choline makes me foggy even at half dose. I get Super Size next on my list if anyone wants to trade :fingerscrossed:

everyBODY is different, and I am very fond of their triazole and act. xtr. so this is not a rep/manufacturer war here, just feedback.

 

[DaJaP]

so usually after i lift, i just go home and relax for a couple of hours before bed. last friday after my lift i went out, and on the drive home around 9pm (took craze at 3pm), i felt like my eyes were drunk. They were not focussing as quickly as usual, which made the ride home a bit awkward. back to assault for me

 

[BB12]

Like BNatty stated...

Our bodies react different to the ingredients in products.

Hell, there are times depending on how tired I am... the day in and day out staples ...effect me in different ways.