An OUTSTANDING Log: The Anabolic Chronicles...

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That backwards-s fella might disagree, I gathered some of his thoughts earlier, and he said they are overprices and basically lack established credible scientific data. Blocking the enzyme responsible for deactivation of the drug clearing process is great, but he contended a shot of vodka would rival any otc drug enhancement intervention, or, grapefruit juice (since the fruits are out of season).

well i mean the shot of vodka would help. maybe a small glass of red wine would be a better way

but its just the mechanisms at which alcohol metabolism works.

Alcohol dehydrogenase vs CYP450

 

[Outstanding]

well i mean the shot of vodka would help. maybe a small glass of red wine would be a better way

but its just the mechanisms at which alcohol metabolism works.

Alcohol dehydrogenase vs CYP450

I have huge issues with alcohol, haha, not really, I just never drink. I tried some alcohol in 7th grade years and years ago, blah. Anyway, what are your thoughts on Grapefruit extract in pills? Should I look for the seed extract or whole fruit? I don't know which part of the fruit has the CYP450 properties, and it's so cheap. I can no longer bring myself to spend $25 a bottle of DHB, or even $15 a bottle on 10mg Bioperine capsules.

 

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I have huge issues with alcohol, haha, not really, I just never drink. I tried some alcohol in 7th grade years and years ago, blah. Anyway, what are your thoughts on Grapefruit extract in pills? Should I look for the seed extract or whole fruit? I don't know which part of the fruit has the CYP450 properties, and it's so cheap. I can no longer bring myself to spend $25 a bottle of DHB, or even $15 a bottle on 10mg Bioperine capsules.

if they are cheap enough do it. if not just use black pepper on every thing. bioperine is an extract of it, cheaper to use a half grapefruit and some black pepper, would it work as well? who knows but who knows if the pills work perfect also.

 

[Outstanding]

if they are cheap enough do it. if not just use black pepper on every thing. bioperine is an extract of it, cheaper to use a half grapefruit and some black pepper, would it work as well? who knows but who knows if the pills work perfect also.

Grrrrrr...... Bioperine is so cheap, so is Triphala, and especially Grapefruit Seed Extract. The only thing that would cause a slight blip on the budget radar would be DHB, because I buy a few bottles at once, and it's around $25 a bottle, with shipping, if I look around hard enough. I wonder if DHB is really worth it?

 

[Milas]

Just buy Trisorbagen! LOL!

 

[Outstanding]

Just buy Trisorbagen! LOL!

I've used it before, actually went through a few bottles of it... it was the primary impetus for expanding my oral bio-availability enhancers to include Triphala. The 'sad' part is, just as another millionth example of how much a markup exists when a product has been 'pre-mixed and bottled under a brand name,' I can buy triple the amounts of each and every included ingredient in Trisorbagen from Swanson, already capped and with the assurance of a massive cGMP facility, for the price of ONE bottle of Trisorbagen; plus I get to add in grapefruit extract and a higher dosage of DHB!

My qualm revolves around the uncertainty of whether or not these supplements even have merit, scientifically validated merit?

 

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I've used it before, actually went through a few bottles of it... it was the primary impetus for expanding my oral bio-availability enhancers to include Triphala. The 'sad' part is, just as another millionth example of how much a markup exists when a product has been 'pre-mixed and bottled under a brand name,' I can buy triple the amounts of each and every included ingredient in Trisorbagen from Swanson, already capped and with the assurance of a massive cGMP facility, for the price of ONE bottle of Trisorbagen; plus I get to add in grapefruit extract and a higher dosage of DHB!

My qualm revolves around the uncertainty of whether or not these supplements even have merit, scientifically validated merit?

bro gimme a day lemme find you some cheap ****.

 

[AZMIDLYF]

What is the delivery agent that PP is touting with their new series? Is it cyp450?

AndroHard Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 3 softgels
Servings per Container: 56

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Super-R-DHEA (3a-enanthoxy-5a-androstan-17-one) 300 mg **
Liqua-Vade Hormone Transport Complex:

High linoleic safflower oil glyceryl monolinoleate, Ethoxylated sorbitan monooleate, Phosphalipid complex (standardized tp 35% phosphatidylcholine), Medium chain triglycerides, Hormone Protection Complex (grapefruit peel pagoda tree bud extract)
2,955 mg **

* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2000 calorie diet.
** Percent Daily Values not established.

OTHER INGREDIENTS: Kosher gelatin, tocopheryl acetate, glycerin, purified water, titanium dioxide, grape spirits, FD&C Blue #1, FD&C Blue #1 Alum. Lake, and FD&C Red #40 Alum. Lake

 

[Outstanding]

bro gimme a day lemme find you some cheap ****.

You have twelve hours........ GO!

Haha! Thanks for your help. Swanson is having a 10% off sale right now, which only happens once every three months, so it's hard to beat.

What is the delivery agent that PP is touting with their new series? Is it cyp450?

AndroHard Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 3 softgels
Servings per Container: 56

...Hormone Protection Complex (grapefruit peel pagoda tree bud extract)

Yes, it looks like it! Grapefruit has the strongest CYP450 deactivating properties of any whole food I know of.

 

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You have twelve hours........ GO!

Haha! Thanks for your help. Swanson is having a 10% off sale right now, which only happens once every three months, so it's hard to beat.



Yes, it looks like it! Grapefruit has the strongest CYP450 deactivating properties of any whole food I know of.

would grapefruit peel powder surfice?

 

[Outstanding]

would grapefruit peel powder surfice?

What site are you on sly boots? Haha, I know one of the sites you're on, those three you love are pretty comprehensive between all of them!

Here is my overwhelming question mark that still floats above my head when dwelling on this issue... WHAT PART of the grapefruit has the highest (or only?) concentration of CYP450 deactivating efficacy!? The peel, the seeds, the juice itself?

Whatever it is, THAT is what I would need The good news is that I probably wouldn't even cap it, I'm sure the taste isn't that bad, and by taking a concentrated or standardized powder, it would be like eating an entire grapefruit with 1 teaspoon, and ZERO carbs while I'm prepping!

 

[AZMIDLYF]

PP is using the peel so I would venture a guess that this would be the part needed.

 

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PP is using the peel so I would venture a guess that this would be the part needed.

The peel is the same as the 'rind,' correct - or is the rind the thin skin that wraps around the fruit itself? They have the rind on Swanson, paired with Cayenne and Apple Cider Vinegar!

PS: They also so have full-spectrum peel!

 

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What site are you on sly boots? Haha, I know one of the sites you're on, those three you love are pretty comprehensive between all of them!

Here is my overwhelming question mark that still floats above my head when dwelling on this issue... WHAT PART of the grapefruit has the highest (or only?) concentration of CYP450 deactivating efficacy!? The peel, the seeds, the juice itself?

Whatever it is, THAT is what I would need The good news is that I probably wouldn't even cap it, I'm sure the taste isn't that bad, and by taking a concentrated or standardized powder, it would be like eating an entire grapefruit with 1 teaspoon, and ZERO carbs while I'm prepping!

bro you can take 4.5 g per day of this **** and itll last you 100 days. for like 8 bux.

 

[MrBigPR]

You want the actual juice extract. Peel could work but you'll lose some in the preparation process.

 

[Outstanding]

You want the actual juice extract. Peel could work but you'll lose some in the preparation process.

I wonder why PP, in their infinite wisdom, uses the peel then? I mean, have you seen their ads, the owner in a black pullover with Zach Morris hair and a pencil behind his ear, A PENCIL, you just can't refute that!!!

The thing is, everything I have seen online says ring, peel, or seed extract. I have seen one whole-fruit product, but that just seems cheap to me (because it is) and a huge percentile would be useless anyway.

You know what, I'm not buying anything, this is kind of dumb... I have Bioperine and Triphala coming anyway. I'm so sick of spending money. I will absorb what I need.

 

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where you been you punk ass.

miss you, definetly homo

 

[StackedCop]

where you been you punk ass.

miss you, definetly homo

LOL this Times 2!

 

[Outstanding]

where you been you punk ass.

miss you, definetly homo

I'm coming back to this folder for the sole fact you called me a name, and I respect that. Anyone who cusses at me deserves a hand shake, and a tip of that hat, HAHA!

Well, what have I been doing..... hmmmm..... watching some Hulu and catching up on the Office and Family Guy, along with playing a little bit of Socom 4 and Need 4 Speed Hot Pursuit on the PS3, since the online network is FINALLY back up. Other than that, I'm doing around 45 hours or slightly more per week at work, and I've also been eating a lot - because I know it's all being taken away super soon. As in, 24 hours!

PS: Bring all that homo love over here, now I know why you have backwards in your screen name!

LOL this Times 2!

Hey officer..... I just wanted to let you know I go 10 over on city roads, and 13 over on highways, have for years. Cruise control. I hate driving the retarded speed limit. Ahhh, there, that felt good, off my chest.

ANNOUNCEMENT: TODAY IS THE LAST DAY OF MY OFF-SEASON OFFICIALLY!!!

TOMORROW, the long and grueling contest prep BEGINS!

 

[AZMIDLYF]

Time for the true desire and dedication to show big man! Make it happen.

 

[BarbellBeast]

GL on the contest prep buddy!

 

[Outstanding]

Time for the true desire and dedication to show big man! Make it happen.

GL on the contest prep buddy!

Hey you two, and everyone else who is here in this journal reading (even those who don't post)...

Thank you for the encouragement, and the well over 10,000 views this far, it's nice to have a little digital abode to retire to after a long, endlessly disappointing day.

I will give this prep my all, I feel it within my heart beginning to boil, that it will be the most intense and focused prep of my life. No other words are needed.

I'm off to bed, only to get right back out of it before 6am rolls around, to sweat the morning away on the treadmill.

D-DAY IS HERE

 

[AZMIDLYF]

Time to unwrap all that offseason work!

 

[mich29]

Hey you two, and everyone else who is here in this journal reading (even those who don't post)...

Thank you for the encouragement, and the well over 10,000 views this far, it's nice to have a little digital abode to retire to after a long, endlessly disappointing day.

I will give this prep my all, I feel it within my heart beginning to boil, that it will be the most intense and focused prep of my life. No other words are needed.

I'm off to bed, only to get right back out of it before 6am rolls around, to sweat the morning away on the treadmill.

D-DAY IS HERE

great log here.I really enjoy reading it.keep up the great writing!!

 

[StackedCop]

Lol 10-12 over is perfect!! I don't write till 13-15 over depending on the area. FYI most cops have the same rule.

 

[Outstanding]

great log here.I really enjoy reading it.keep up the great writing!!

Flattery will get you everywhere!

Lol 10-12 over is perfect!! I don't write till 13-15 over depending on the area. FYI most cops have the same rule.

I usually do exactly 13 over with cruise control, especially on interstates and toll roads with minimal cops and there is ALWAYS 'someone' going faster than me.

Well, today marks day five of the contest prep, the two a day cardio and lifting have me energized, rather than depleted and tired - but give it a couple months, hahaha! Finally, I feel as though I am able to eat the proper amounts of mega-protein per sitting without wanting to explode from bloat, or vomit the last few ounces of meat or eggs back up. The volume of food needed to maintain muscle mass in light of the huge caloric expenditure with multiple sessions of cardio and training is hard to 'stomach' at first.

 

[Milas]

Energized during contest prep? Just give it time...

What's your diet look like?

How much are you trying to drop?

 

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Energized during contest prep? Just give it time...

What's your diet look like?

How much are you trying to drop?

Haha, yeah I hear ya... it's my eleventh (I think?) show in the past eight years, so I'm really excited, but I also know what I'm in for every time I set out on this journey.

As far as dropping, I started out this past Wednesday June 1st at 256 pounds, but I have no idea how it will all unfold as far as the scale in concerned. In fact, I don't even own a scale, I used a friends to get a starting weight.

I'm just going to do what I've always done and cycle carbs, keep protein at least 8oz per meal (4 whole food meals minimum per day) and 2 shakes @ 55g protein each, along with fat from red meat and almonds/fish oil.

I can dig up an older version of the diet and paste it here, it's something I came up with over the years, and it worked very well last year. Cardio 2x/day most days, although only once is enough in these initial phases.

 

[Milas]

Mmmmmm.... meaty! No need to dig up your diet if it's work for you, I was just wondering off hand.

Do you do anything with EAA/BCAA?

When I did my prep (first one, total newb), I dropped too far too fast, but I didin't think I had the size to compete in the higher weight class (and I was right, I would've been blown out!). Will you compete Super Heavy then?

 

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Mmmmmm.... meaty! No need to dig up your diet if it's work for you, I was just wondering off hand.

Do you do anything with EAA/BCAA?

When I did my prep (first one, total newb), I dropped too far too fast, but I didin't think I had the size to compete in the higher weight class (and I was right, I would've been blown out!). Will you compete Super Heavy then?

I suppose I'll compete super heavy, yes. I know that is not ideal, but I am in a very awkward stage of height and muscular development that demands I DON'T drop to 198 for lightweight, although I am very confident I can, and should, make heavyweight.

All I am focusing on doing, is being the best I can be on that day, with all out fiery intensity. I don't care so much about the weight, and there will always be that genetic mutant who swears they are peanut butter sandwiches and Wendy's getting ready for the show, and has striated glutes - so I'm just concentrating on becoming the actualized version of myself this year.

As far as BCAAs, yes, I take copious amounts, as well as liver tabs. I take 30g combined BCAAs during my 2 sessions of cardio and throughout the day, and and another 15g intra-training.

 

[Outstanding]

Just some pondering... not organized at all, just conversational starters:

1. Would it be advisable, or completely pointless, to take 3,5 along with real T3/Cytomel?
- Also, would there be any advantage to takeing Thyroid Support and Potentiating/Recovery supplements while ON Cytomel?

2. Do any topical fat loss products have enough of a 'punch' to even merit use/purchase?

3. What is the optimal basal fat intake daily to round out my macro-nutrient cycling plan?
- For example, I cycle Very Low, Low, Medium, and High on Carbs while keeping protein at 350g per day for these first few weeks of the contest prep. With carbs at 40, 80, 250, 500 on the aforementioned staggered days.

4. What are some of the best erection enhancers to counteract this onset of Tren ****? I am pretty well endowed, but I can tell a difference in maximum erection hardness and length recently, and that just isn't cool.

5. As always, year after year... I wonder the best method for depleting water from BETWEEN THE SKIN/MUSCLE ONLY, and somehow retaining fluids and fullness in the skeletal muscle itself. Diazide, over the counter, additional minerals and electrolytes, vegetable glycerine, creatine nitrate prior to pre-judging on stage!? Or... simply don't cut water at all, and remain full and dense?

-Outstanding

 

[Milas]

Just some pondering... not organized at all, just conversational starters:

1. Would it be advisable, or completely pointless, to take 3,5 along with real T3/Cytomel?
- Also, would there be any advantage to takeing Thyroid Support and Potentiating/Recovery supplements while ON Cytomel?

Don't think so, body won't convert T2 to T3/T4 if there's already enough IIRC

2. Do any topical fat loss products have enough of a 'punch' to even merit use/purchase?

Any of the 7-oxo sprays are great for VAT reduction (abliderate, 7-KE, 7-spray)

3. What is the optimal basal fat intake daily to round out my macro-nutrient cycling plan?
- For example, I cycle Very Low, Low, Medium, and High on Carbs while keeping protein at 350g per day for these first few weeks of the contest prep. With carbs at 40, 80, 250, 500 on the aforementioned staggered days.

inversely proportional to carbs. If you're high on carbs, be low on fat and vice versa.

4. What are some of the best erection enhancers to counteract this onset of Tren ****? I am pretty well endowed, but I can tell a difference in maximum erection hardness and length recently, and that just isn't cool.

viagra, cialis, spiked Aspire, Me-36

5. As always, year after year... I wonder the best method for depleting water from BETWEEN THE SKIN/MUSCLE ONLY, and somehow retaining fluids and fullness in the skeletal muscle itself. Diazide, over the counter, additional minerals and electrolytes, vegetable glycerine, creatine nitrate prior to pre-judging on stage!? Or... simply don't cut water at all, and remain full and dense?

If you figure this one out, you'll be a millionaire!

-Outstanding

My feeble attempts at responses above in bold.

 

[Outstanding]

My feeble attempts at responses above in bold.

I liked your last answer

Thanks a lot for your answers above by the way, I am really curious about the 7-keto topical products. I tried Ab-Solution Plus by the now defunct Vyotech a few years ago, and liked it because I believe it had Usnic Acid?

I just started taking FormaStanz from Mr. Supps two days ago, 10 pumps a day (5am/5pm) to combat the puffy nipple syndrome as I call it. I think when I transition from Dbol to Anavar and Tbol a lot of this will rectify itself naturally, but Letrozole and Formastanz will be potent enough to being me back 'down to par' so I don't look like I'm ready to be milked.

Thanks again!

 

[Outstanding]

Hey Milas/everyone else,

I forgot to rep you, so I just tidied up that bit of business. Now, onto other matters. I have that Dermacrine (I think that's what it was called) topical lotion that acts as a powerful delivery cream for compounds through the skin. Bought it a couple years back from what I believe was Primordial Performance?

Anyway, could I buy somehow raw or capped 7-keto and simply add it to that cream or another topical carrier, and up the dosage or perhaps add other ingredients for a synergistic effect?

Thanks!

 

[Milas]

Hey Milas/everyone else,

I forgot to rep you, so I just tidied up that bit of business. Now, onto other matters. I have that Dermacrine (I think that's what it was called) topical lotion that acts as a powerful delivery cream for compounds through the skin. Bought it a couple years back from what I believe was Primordial Performance?

Anyway, could I buy somehow raw or capped 7-keto and simply add it to that cream or another topical carrier, and up the dosage or perhaps add other ingredients for a synergistic effect?

Thanks!

Yeah, raw powder since the caps have filler you'd have to separate out. I think someone is selling some bulk powder cheap on lean bulk (dot) com in the trade/sell section. They're reputable too.

I didn't really care for the Penetrate carrier (used by PP), it gives me a rash. I prefer the smart powders Dermabolic spray. However, it's easy enough to add in to either. Just calculate the number of sprays, then divide however much you add in, and you have a rough idea how many mg per spray.

I think the 7-oxo you want 100-200mg daily in the topical IIRC? May have to look that up...

It might be cheaper/easier to just get the Taurus Nutrition 7-KE, it's only $25 and seems to be well dosed with a good amount of servings.

 

[mich29]

great info here watching and learning

 

[GLHF]

wow!!! what a great log and i missed it all this time, i am actually mad at myself! (just getting pumped for back in 15min lol)

well well...i will look thru this log later.

bye!

 

[Outstanding]

wow!!! what a great log and i missed it all this time, i am actually mad at myself! (just getting pumped for back in 15min lol)

well well...i will look thru this log later.

bye!

That's IT... who has been paying people to come in here and say nice things? Come on, we all know I'm a jerk and a know it all punk!

 

[Outstanding]

Yeah, raw powder since the caps have filler you'd have to separate out. I think someone is selling some bulk powder cheap on lean bulk (dot) com in the trade/sell section. They're reputable too.

I went and looked but didn't see anything listed after using the search function. I wonder if it would be cheaper to buy my own carrier and powder, or to buy Taurus?

 

[Outstanding]

Alright, let's bring it down for a moment, and get personal shall we? I have a penis, and from time to time, I even use it - that's right. Now, when I'm on Tren, sometimes things get a little complicated, not as in I can't get hard (I'm hard for hours on end during the day, and when there's a gorgeous woman standing in front of me naked I have ZERO issues there). The thing that I have noticed as of late when engaging in my sexual conquests, is that I'm not A) as super painfully rock-solid HARD as I usually am, and B) my orgasms are A-M-A-Z-I-N-G and powerful beyond description (which is mind blowing), BUT... although I can 'recover' and get hard again one a few minutes later, I can't cum again for that second time no matter how the girl works her little heart out and I want to (isn't this known as a refractory period?)

So, my questions are: How can I ensure maximum erection strength and length/hardness, and how can I reduce the time between 'bouts' in the bed, or couch, or kitchen table (haha!)?

I have been using Natty-V by the same company that came out with Recompadrol, Elite Body Formulations I believe it's been renamed, and I LOVE IT for sex and for training. What other supplements, research chems, or drugs/cremes etc can I implement to optimize my eight inches of power? THANKS FELLAS! With no food to enjoy for months on end as I prepare for this contest in the fall, I'm going to be entertaining myself other ways, and would like some good solid advice and we can have a discussion about it.

 

[Outstanding]

Alright, let's bring it down for a moment, and get personal shall we? I have a penis, and from time to time, I even use it - that's right. Now, when I'm on Tren, sometimes things get a little complicated, not as in I can't get hard (I'm hard for hours on end during the day, and when there's a gorgeous woman standing in front of me naked I have ZERO issues there). The thing that I have noticed as of late when engaging in my sexual conquests, is that I'm not A) as super painfully rock-solid HARD as I usually am, and B) my orgasms are A-M-A-Z-I-N-G and powerful beyond description (which is mind blowing), BUT... although I can 'recover' and get hard again one a few minutes later, I can't cum again for that second time no matter how the girl works her little heart out and I want to (isn't this known as a refractory period?)

So, my questions are: How can I ensure maximum erection strength and length/hardness, and how can I reduce the time between 'bouts' in the bed, or couch, or kitchen table (haha!)?

I have been using Natty-V by the same company that came out with Recompadrol, Elite Body Formulations I believe it's been renamed, and I LOVE IT for sex and for training. What other supplements, research chems, or drugs/cremes etc can I implement to optimize my eight inches of power? THANKS FELLAS! With no food to enjoy for months on end as I prepare for this contest in the fall, I'm going to be entertaining myself other ways, and would like some good solid advice and we can have a discussion about it.

Ohhhh REEEEEEally? No response huh? Shameful!

Well, FormaStanz by Mr. Supps (NTBM) is in week two now, and I must admit that rubbing my chest fresh out of the shower is an erotic pleasure each and every time, haha! This coming Saturday I am doing the king-combo of Tbol and Anavar (60 & 100mg daily, respectively).

 

[Rjr3412]

Log is looking great!

 

[Outstanding]

Log is looking great!

Thanks a lot, I like to write, knit, and take sunset strolls down winding paths lit only by the moonlight before gazing into the eyes of my beloved.

I am so tired it makes me want to weep. I am a night owl of sorts, and I always wake up early to do cardio since I like to do 2-a-days to boost the metabolic rate early on in these initial weeks of contest prep. As I type this I'm between bite after bite of 8oz weighed chicken breast and brown rice... you can only imagine how thrilling that is. No flavoring, no condiments, just the will to get dense and freaky shredded and proportionate.

Someone asked me today at work what I win at these shows after paying all the entry fee money and going through this controlled starvation for months on end all while moving thousands of pounds of iron and walking like a lobotomized zombie on a moving belt... and I said nothing. That's not true at all, I might not win one of those over-sized checks from Happy Gilmore, but by gosh, I win something that all the zeros in Bill Gates investment portfolios can't afford: the distinct awareness of knowing I am engaging, willingly and wholly, in something that an infinitely small segment of humanity will ever experience.

Now, do I want a pat on the back for that? Yeah, sure I do, are you offering? Oh no, I kid, I am such a joker. All in all, what I want, is to pump up backstage, get out there with a strut overflowing with swag that can't be faked or bought, and just have a great time flexing and posing to some killer beats, and killing the men to my left and right simultaneously. A long and treacherous path, leading to such a transient little side note in the timeline of my life. Never to be forgotten.

 

[mich29]

Alright, let's bring it down for a moment, and get personal shall we? I have a penis, and from time to time, I even use it - that's right. Now, when I'm on Tren, sometimes things get a little complicated, not as in I can't get hard (I'm hard for hours on end during the day, and when there's a gorgeous woman standing in front of me naked I have ZERO issues there). The thing that I have noticed as of late when engaging in my sexual conquests, is that I'm not A) as super painfully rock-solid HARD as I usually am, and B) my orgasms are A-M-A-Z-I-N-G and powerful beyond description (which is mind blowing), BUT... although I can 'recover' and get hard again one a few minutes later, I can't cum again for that second time no matter how the girl works her little heart out and I want to (isn't this known as a refractory period?)

So, my questions are: How can I ensure maximum erection strength and length/hardness, and how can I reduce the time between 'bouts' in the bed, or couch, or kitchen table (haha!)?

I have been using Natty-V by the same company that came out with Recompadrol, Elite Body Formulations I believe it's been renamed, and I LOVE IT for sex and for training. What other supplements, research chems, or drugs/cremes etc can I implement to optimize my eight inches of power? THANKS FELLAS! With no food to enjoy for months on end as I prepare for this contest in the fall, I'm going to be entertaining myself other ways, and would like some good solid advice and we can have a discussion about it.

the second time around I believe is mental.you have to really focus on something that gets you off be it her or someone different altogether.also switching to a position or angle that feels really good helps too or the woman could finish things with a combo of activities at the end this part is always fun when you have a woman who got hers and wants to return the favor endless possibilities

far as fun supps to take outside of the normal like cialas or virgia.chainsaw and ball refill are fun supps to try out.....yes these are the actually names of the supplements.your have to play with the dosing to get it just right but these are alot of fun when you do.

 

[Outstanding]

the second time around I believe is mental.you have to really focus on something that gets you off be it her or someone different altogether.also switching to a position or angle that feels really good helps too or the woman could finish things with a combo of activities at the end this part is always fun when you have a woman who got hers and wants to return the favor endless possibilities

far as fun supps to take outside of the normal like cialas or virgia.chainsaw and ball refill are fun supps to try out.....yes these are the actually names of the supplements.your have to play with the dosing to get it just right but these are alot of fun when you do.

Thanks for the guidance... I had someone send me some Toremiphene (not sure on spelling) recently to stack with Natty-V and Viagra, and my orgasm was riiiiii-diculous. I was in ecstasy. We started going for another round, and it was still just as mind blowing, freaking unreal, and I was hard within seconds, but couldt work up another load.

Anyway... screw you Tren haha! Now, back to the ellipticals, I am dangerously close to dripping sweat on my cell phone, so thanks for the help and any other input from anyone on any items are welcomed!

 

[mich29]

Thanks for the guidance... I had someone send me some Toremiphene (not sure on spelling) recently to stack with Natty-V and Viagra, and my orgasm was riiiiii-diculous. I was in ecstasy. We started going for another round, and it was still just as mind blowing, freaking unreal, and I was hard within seconds, but couldt work up another load.

Anyway... screw you Tren haha! Now, back to the ellipticals, I am dangerously close to dripping sweat on my cell phone, so thanks for the help and any other input from anyone on any items are welcomed!

sounds like a nice combo I might have to give those a go

 

[Outstanding]

sounds like a nice combo I might have to give those a go

I'm on EQ too, which a good friend of mine from 'back in the day' told me increased ejaculatory loads... but I just have to say, the orgasms are MIND BLOOOOOOOOWING. Natty-V, Viagra, Toremiphene (yeah still too lazy to look up the correct spelling), along with EQ and Test. WOWZA!!!!!!

 

[MrBigPR]

Usually getting a new partner can help refractory period.

See "the Coolidge theory".

 

[mich29]

I'm on EQ too, which a good friend of mine from 'back in the day' told me increased ejaculatory loads... but I just have to say, the orgasms are MIND BLOOOOOOOOWING. Natty-V, Viagra, Toremiphene (yeah still too lazy to look up the correct spelling), along with EQ and Test. WOWZA!!!!!!

how did you find natty v just wondering, I haven't heard of this stuff till you talked about it?

 

[Outstanding]

Usually getting a new partner can help refractory period.

See "the Coolidge theory".

I understand what you're saying - but this is NOT a concern or element of the equation at all. AT... ALL! I believe it is a mixture of Trenbolone Acetate, paired with the fact my first orgasm could have probably measured in ounces it was so explosive, and on top of that it wasn't merely sex - but much more of a connection.