Promagnon Is Back!!! Introducing CEL PMag

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According to lab tests Furaguno is legit: www(dot)ergo-log(dot)com/testfuraguno.html (Can't post URLs yet)

I'm also mixing Furaguno and Furazadrol.
Good post. That's an interesting site that I need to go to back to. I know that site (author/affiliates) may rub a lot of people in the wrong way, but IMO people should just take all opinions with a grain of salt without taking sides.
 

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There is an other Fura clone from "Cloma Pharma" called Clomadrol. 90x50.5mg, but I haven't heard anything about this company yet, so I stick with Axis Labs.

The cycle recommendation for Clomadrol is also horrible in my eyes:

"Take 1-3 capsules daily with food. Cycle eight weeks on, four weeks off, and repeat."


Btw. Orastan-A does not contain Fura but 2 wrong steroids:

www(dot)ergo-log(dot)com/orastanatest.html
 
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I ordered my stock today, hopefully this goes good, can't wait to start
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Day 36

Day 36

Friday, May 22, 2009

4 Caps Pmag
2 pumps CEL Form
Taurine

I've had a stomach flu over the past 2 days, which is finally clearing up. So there hasn't been all that much gym activity since stomach flu symptoms often leave one dehydrated... effin disgusting right

I'm a bit lethargic over the past 2-3 days but there's several possible causes. It's most likely due to the lack of sleep, less likely due the flu since it's clearing up quickly, and least likely due to the increased pmag dosage IMO.

Today was just cardio and core day. With HST routines, I like to do cardio and core on off days and then full body workouts on the lifting days. So tomorrow should be an all out assault in the gym :head:

Tomorrow morning I will check body composition. If lean mass has increased since last weekend, i will continue for 1 more week of the cycle. If lean mass has not increased, I will start pct tomorrow.

Final note, my best pal TD Formestane is DEFINATELY what's causing the interupted sleep patterns. I sort of knew it all along, but I'm sure you guys can understand that my formestane views are a bit clouded since it's been such a reliable drug for me. It successfully treated my gyno lump and consistently increased a bit of aggression throughout this cycle.

Anyhow, no big deal with a little adjustment. I'm just making sure to get my second application earlier in the day. It was still tough to fall asleep last night with the earlier dose. But it certainly wasn't fighting an adrenaline rush like has been over the past week. Once I got to sleep, I slept well.
 
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Damn flu always shows its face during a cycle :(

hit it hard tomorrow Celc!!!
 

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Geek,
it turned out to be a pretty bad stomach issue for a lot of other people that I was around. Luckily, I seemed to get by with a lot milder symptoms than they had. My body is still clearing out whatever is not supposed to be in there, which does make it difficult to know how I'm doing as far as absorbing nutrients.

ExTE,
thanks brotha! Appreciate you checking in on me :cheers:

PCT Day 1


4 pumps Sustain
4 Caps AX aPCT
8 Caps CEL Cycle Assist (till the bottle is gone)
2 pump CEL Formestane (morning only till the bottle is gone)

I did my skinfolds today and recomp DID occur this week. Stats are updated on page 1, post 2. At the same time, progress seems to have a slowed a bit. I believe that best judgement suggests that it's time for pct.

I plan to have a final review up by the end of the holiday weekend along with after pics for comparison. Just glancing at the before pics, I'm positive that we'll be able to tell a difference.

My first few thoughts on this cycle were that it felt really good, I'm pleased with the results (although who knows if they would have been better without the illness this week), and I expect a smooth recovery with continuing a little recomp here and there.
 
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do you think you would've dropped more BF if you went lower on your carbs? Instead of 300-350g maybe 150-200g?
I gain easily, so Im not a big fan of carbs...
 
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do you think you would've dropped more BF if you went lower on your carbs? Instead of 300-350g maybe 150-200g?
I gain easily, so Im not a big fan of carbs...
Yes, definately. I think Pmag could work well in a more aggressive recomp scenario just like you are suggesting. I'd love to suggest stacking it with a fat burner too. But I can't do that in good conscience since my BP did elevate little by little throughout the cycle.

Also note that I suspect there would have been potential for me to make gains with protein in the 400g range. I've done that before for cycles and pct. But there's only so many hours in the day and I can't keep that lifestyle up with 400g consistently. I can keep up with 300 so I just decided to keep it that way for the cycle.
 
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Yes, definately. I think Pmag could work well in a more aggressive recomp scenario just like you are suggesting. I'd love to suggest stacking it with a fat burner too. But I can't do that in good conscience since my BP did elevate little by little throughout the cycle.

Also note that I suspect there would have been potential for me to make gains with protein in the 400g range. I've done that before for cycles and pct. But there's only so many hours in the day and I can't keep that lifestyle up with 400g consistently. I can keep up with 300 so I just decided to keep it that way for the cycle.
HAHA are you saying this because you know Im doing a PH cycle stacked with Furaguno soon??

Im reading this thread about cortisol, its really confusing me...:dunno:
 

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Now that you are through with the p-mag cycle, which compound (h-drol or p-mag) would you say is better for strength in core lifts such as benchpress and squats? I weigh about 265 and have hit a plateau and thinking about either h-drol or p-mag.
 
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Now that you are through with the p-mag cycle, which compound (h-drol or p-mag) would you say is better for strength in core lifts such as benchpress and squats? I weigh about 265 and have hit a plateau and thinking about either h-drol or p-mag.
Ya im curious on your thoughts as well Celc, Ive only used halo but pmag seems promising as well
 
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it turned out to be a pretty bad stomach issue for a lot of other people that I was around. Luckily, I seemed to get by with a lot milder symptoms than they had. My body is still clearing out whatever is not supposed to be in there, which does make it difficult to know how I'm doing as far as absorbing nutrients.

ExTE,
thanks brotha! Appreciate you checking in on me :cheers:

PCT Day 1


4 pumps Sustain
4 Caps AX aPCT
8 Caps CEL Cycle Assist (till the bottle is gone)
2 pump CEL Formestane (morning only till the bottle is gone)

I did my skinfolds today and recomp DID occur this week. Stats are updated on page 1, post 2. At the same time, progress seems to have a slowed a bit. I believe that best judgement suggests that it's time for pct.

I plan to have a final review up by the end of the holiday weekend along with after pics for comparison. Just glancing at the before pics, I'm positive that we'll be able to tell a difference.

My first few thoughts on this cycle were that it felt really good, I'm pleased with the results (although who knows if they would have been better without the illness this week), and I expect a smooth recovery with continuing a little recomp here and there.
well nice job for sure on the log

hope things go smooth in PCT for ya

looking FWD to the final thoughts
 
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Pyramid,
IMO either compound will help you break your plateau. If you are more experienced, I suggest looking into halo and potential compounds for a stack. If you are a newbie in terms of running cycles, Pmag is the BEST option for anyone out there IMO. Gains will be reliable and it's as smooth of a ride as there could possibly be.

Geek,
stack em up brotha! Now at the same time, I do have some unique double methyl stack ideas for Pmag for those of you that like to break the rules :D

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thanks for sticking through this one brotha! It was a long productive fun ride!

In terms of strength, I added 15 pounds to my 5rm for BB Bench with PMag. I added about 25 pounds to me squat.

On Hdrol, I added about 20 pounds to my 5rm at the time. I was also dosing my formestane more aggressively on that cycle, in the 200mg/day TD, and most definately makes a difference in terms of strength. I added 25 pounds to my squat on Hdrol as well, but a bit faster in about 3 weeks. IIRC, I had to change things up though because I started to get back pumps and had a mild pulled hamming when deads got to heavy too fast.

So consider that I'm smarter now and had a definitive plan for making controlled strength gains. The strength gains were true real deal gains for both cycles, slow, no bouncing, etc etc. I lift the same way I do my logs, strict, precise, and like a total assshole :run:

Comparison pics are up on page 1... it took me 45 freakin minutes to get photobucket to cooperate :rant:
 

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Pyramid,
IMO either compound will help you break your plateau. If you are more experienced, I suggest looking into halo and potential compounds for a stack. If you are a newbie in terms of running cycles, Pmag is the BEST option for anyone out there IMO. Gains will be reliable and it's as smooth of a ride as there could possibly be.

Geek,
stack em up brotha! Now at the same time, I do have some unique double methyl stack ideas for Pmag for those of you that like to break the rules :D

Learn,
thanks for sticking through this one brotha! It was a long productive fun ride!

In terms of strength, I added 15 pounds to my 5rm for BB Bench with PMag. I added about 25 pounds to me squat.

On Hdrol, I added about 20 pounds to my 5rm at the time. I was also dosing my formestane more aggressively on that cycle, in the 200mg/day TD, and most definately makes a difference in terms of strength. I added 25 pounds to my squat on Hdrol as well, but a bit faster in about 3 weeks. IIRC, I had to change things up though because I started to get back pumps and had a mild pulled hamming when deads got to heavy too fast.

So consider that I'm smarter now and had a definitive plan for making controlled strength gains. The strength gains were true real deal gains for both cycles, slow, no bouncing, etc etc. I lift the same way I do my logs, strict, precise, and like a total assshole :run:

Comparison pics are up on page 1... it took me 45 freakin minutes to get photobucket to cooperate :rant:

I'm definitely interesting in "breaking the rules" with the double methyl stack ideas! Enlighten me....
 
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I'm definitely interesting in "breaking the rules" with the double methyl stack ideas! Enlighten me....
I kept having the itch to throw in about 40mg of Estane around week 3 or 4 ish. The Estane may have added an angrier feel to compliment Pmag well being feel. I also believe that both compounds really enhance muscle fullness and endurance in the gym so there would be a synergy. I could see lethargy being a problem on that cycle, but what productive stacks don't make us lethargic, right? I'd say that 40mg Estane with 75mg of Pmag for 4 weeks would be the sweet spot. I'd do it like this:

Estane 30/40/40/40
Pmag 50/75/75/75

Get in and get out in 4 weeks. IMO most would be fine without a serm for that stack. I personally would use a serm for that one since I lean more toward using them after the "iff grey area" cycles, but I'd bet opinions would be 50/50 on Pmag/Estane. If one were to get more aggressive than 40mg with epithio, I would strongly suggest serm usage since there'd probably be some testicular atophy that would need remedied.

Pmag solo most definately does not require a serm. I'm feeling good 2 days into pct with otc only, sexual function is fine, mood and BP are stabilizing, and drive in the gym is still there. The first week of pct is TYPICALLY miserable for me so that illustrates just how friendly Pmag was to me.
 
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Nice detailed/informative log Celc!! Awesome job and congrats w/ the results!!
 

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I actually plan on running that Estane/Pmag stack at the end of summer. Can't wait! Thanks for this log, Celc! You're a smart dude.
 

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I kept having the itch to throw in about 40mg of Estane around week 3 or 4 ish. The Estane may have added an angrier feel to compliment Pmag well being feel. I also believe that both compounds really enhance muscle fullness and endurance in the gym so there would be a synergy. I could see lethargy being a problem on that cycle, but what productive stacks don't make us lethargic, right? I'd say that 40mg Estane with 75mg of Pmag for 4 weeks would be the sweet spot. I'd do it like this:

Estane 30/40/40/40
Pmag 50/75/75/75

Get in and get out in 4 weeks. IMO most would be fine without a serm for that stack. I personally would use a serm for that one since I lean more toward using them after the "iff grey area" cycles, but I'd bet opinions would be 50/50 on Pmag/Estane. If one were to get more aggressive than 40mg with epithio, I would strongly suggest serm usage since there'd probably be some testicular atophy that would need remedied.

Pmag solo most definately does not require a serm. I'm feeling good 2 days into pct with otc only, sexual function is fine, mood and BP are stabilizing, and drive in the gym is still there. The first week of pct is TYPICALLY miserable for me so that illustrates just how friendly Pmag was to me.
Nothing wrong with a little bit of greed. Estane is a clone of Epistane, right? I actually still have a bottle-and-a-half of the original Epistane, as well as 2 unopened bottles of Promagnon-25. I've got QUITE a stash to use in the future! This definitely sounds very interesting, to say the least. My only/biggest question is, when and how Ithroughout the day) would you apply the dosages? Thanks for sharing your info with me...you are truly my
Brotha...oh, and what serm(s) would you use? Also, I would definitely throw in a test-recovery stack like the Three Kings Stack (Diesel Nutrition) on this. I, for one, would have a definite need for it.

"He was like, 'Oh, my balls!'"- Turley in The Longest Yard (with Adam Sandler)
 
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thanks for following brotha. I'm still slackin on the final review but I know what I want it to say :thumbsup:

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From your point of view, isn't EVERYONE smart who suggests the same stack that you plan to run LOL :cheers:

ExTe,
If BP isn't an issue, I'd take a small dose in the morning and bigger dose about 1 hour preworkout. If dosing issues arise, it's really easy to experiment when the time comes. So I'd be more into planning for sides than worried about dosing strategies.

Concerning serms in general, I'd choose Nolva if gyno prevention or treatment were my priority. I'd choose Clomid if restoring hpta and/or testicular mass were my priority.
 

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Celc, I don't know if you mentioned this or not, but how's the lump looking? Has it stayed away?
 
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Real time update... I can't find any lump whatsoever. I just checked :run:

Seriously, no sharp "pin-like" sensitivity either. That was more troublesome than the lump because it would wake me up sometimes. Glad that's over with.
 
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Real time update... I can't find any lump whatsoever. I just checked :run:

Seriously, no sharp "pin-like" sensitivity either. That was more troublesome than the lump because it would wake me up sometimes. Glad that's over with.
Excellent to hear.
 

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Real time update... I can't find any lump whatsoever. I just checked :run:

Seriously, no sharp "pin-like" sensitivity either. That was more troublesome than the lump because it would wake me up sometimes. Glad that's over with.
Are you done with the Form?
 

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thanks for following brotha. I'm still slackin on the final review but I know what I want it to say :thumbsup:

Irish,
From your point of view, isn't EVERYONE smart who suggests the same stack that you plan to run LOL :cheers:

ExTe,
If BP isn't an issue, I'd take a small dose in the morning and bigger dose about 1 hour preworkout. If dosing issues arise, it's really easy to experiment when the time comes. So I'd be more into planning for sides than worried about dosing strategies.

Concerning serms in general, I'd choose Nolva if gyno prevention or treatment were my priority. I'd choose Clomid if restoring hpta and/or testicular mass were my priority.
How about Toremifene to cover both (I hope this isn't a stupid question)? As far as the BP, I'd probably preload for two weeks with a s h i tload of Hawthorn Berries, Celery Seed Extract, etc. I've got 45 tablets of real Nolva on hand...somethng tells me I'd better hold on to them.
 
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How about Toremifene to cover both (I hope this isn't a stupid question)? As far as the BP, I'd probably preload for two weeks with a s h i tload of Hawthorn Berries, Celery Seed Extract, etc. I've got 45 tablets of real Nolva on hand...somethng tells me I'd better hold on to them.
In reference to the Celery Seed, Hawthorn, etc, take a look at our Cycle Assist product. It has a lot to offer in terms of support supps.
 
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Irish,
I'm tapering it off. I'm just using 1 pump in the morning this week.

ExTE,
cycle assist was very friendly to me. I never had BP issues until late in the 4th week so it held it's own for most of the cycle. And as CEL said, it has most of what you listed anyway.

I'm not a fan of Torem. It's terrible for libido, it makes me moody until I start to taper, and think it's over rated in general. Technically, it should be more similar to Nolva for addressing gyno. IMO it did help a little with recovery testicular mass, but not the way people hype it up. I'll stick to my suggestion that I made in the previous post.
 
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In reference to the Celery Seed, Hawthorn, etc, take a look at our Cycle Assist product. It has a lot to offer in terms of support supps.
I agree that's why I choose it over other supporting sups
 

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Irish,
I'm tapering it off. I'm just using 1 pump in the morning this week.
Okay. I'm just curious because I've heard people say their gyno has been reduced while on Form, but it came back after they were off. Mine has been reduced since using my Penetrate+Form mix, and I just hope it only gets better from here. I'll be jumping right into some Formadrol XL in a few days, so I'll keep an AI going for a little while.

Maybe these new carriers really have changed things in terms of how useful Formestane can be.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for both of us!

...oh, and I ended up getting some Blue Up and have been dosing 4 caps about 2hrs pre-workout (3 caps pre-bed since I hurt my back and have been off training). I know you said you didn't like this stuff, but I can really tell a difference. I'm even getting a very positive mood boost around workout time. How did you dose this stuff when you took it? Or did you ever use it? I can't remember, I just know you said you didn't care for it.
 
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...I dont know if I should stick with Blue Up, or try Diesel Test Hardcore
 
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well mine has come back every time just like yours. So ya, I'm keeping my fingers crossed too :laugh:

I caution you with using the Formadrol XL. I haven't used that product, but hear me out. I honestly suspect that NovedexXT and 6oxo at seperate times ended up aggravating the lump and sensations. Just something to keep in mind that even though they're supposed to be AI's, things can still happen differently than we expect.

If I were having sensation issues, I would not be using Blue Up or any test booster. I'd like to think that they wouldn't aggravate a lump situation, but that's just my guess.

I LOVE the stimmed blue up. Once I stop shaking and the jitters wear off, it's a bad ass stim (no joke, I feel like a comic character with squiggly lines all around me while I shake LOL)

On another occasion, I used 1 bottle of stim free Blue Up for maybe 3 weeks. I don't remember the exact dosage, but I don't recall having any effect at all. I guess everyone is different :dunno: No offense, but I suspect you are just feeling the effects of the TD formestane, which overshadows just about anything I've ever stacked it with (except phs of course).

Side note, I've always liked the Goliath labs test boosting stack, that's a little "under the radar" tip of the day ;) But it's off limits now because I think it made my nipples sore and sensitive every time

Kg,
try em out brotha. IMO if you haven't used TD Formestane or Hyperdrol, you're missing out. Those blow away any test booster that I've ever tried.
 

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well my has come back every time. So ya, I'm keeping my fingers crossed too :laugh:

I caution you with using the Formadrol XL. I haven't used that product, but hear me out. I honestly suspect that NovedexXT and 6oxo at seperate times ended up aggravating the lump and sensations. Just something to keep in mind.

If I were having sensation issues, I would not be using Blue Up or any test booster. I'd like to think that they wouldn't aggravate a lump situation, but that's just my guess.

I LOVE the stimmed blue up. Once I stop shaking and the jitters wear off, it's a bad ass stim (no joke, I feel like a comic character with squiggly lines all around me while I shake LOL)

On another occasion, I used 1 bottle of stim free Blue Up for maybe 3 weeks. I don't remember the exact dosage, but I don't recall having any effect at all. I guess everyone is different :dunno: I've always liked the Goliath labs test boosting stack, that's a little "under the radar" tip of the day ;)
*IC frantically searches Google for "Goliath Labs" * :lol:

I used the original Formadrol after I got rid of gyno last time and didn't have issues; however, our new formula is different, and in all honesty, I don't know what it does or doesn't contain anymore. I'll have to look at the bottle when I get it. I know it doesn't have ATD anymore, but I don't know about 6OXO.
 

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Alright, I pulled their stuff up...What's products are considered to make up the "test boosting stack" that you speak of? I see a few different things.
 

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...I dont know if I should stick with Blue Up, or try Diesel Test Hardcore
If you've never tried DTH, then I'd say you at least should give it a go. If you have tried it, I would say that the fact you're even questioning one or the other means you should probably go with Blue Up.
 
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*IC frantically searches Google for "Goliath Labs" * :lol:

I used the original Formadrol after I got rid of gyno last time and didn't have issues; however, our new formula is different, and in all honesty, I don't know what it does or doesn't contain anymore. I'll have to look at the bottle when I get it. I know it doesn't have ATD anymore, but I don't know about 6OXO.
Ya I don't know either. My point was just to be cautious (even with AI's) is all... I think you got what I was saying :cheers:

Btw, I edited my post a bit while u were replying, see if you find the sentence that I added that might get u thinking about ur Blue Up/Form stack ;)
 

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I'm tapering it off. I'm just using 1 pump in the morning this week.

ExTE,
cycle assist was very friendly to me. I never had BP issues until late in the 4th week so it held it's own for most of the cycle. And as CEL said, it has most of what you listed anyway.

I'm not a fan of Torem. It's terrible for libido, it makes me moody until I start to taper, and think it's over rated in general. Technically, it should be more similar to Nolva for addressing gyno. IMO it did help a little with recovery testicular mass, but not the way people hype it up. I'll stick to my suggestion that I made in the previous post.
Cycle Assist and Nolva it is then. Thanks!
 
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regarding the Goliath products, Ejaculoid is off the hook crazy for libido and male performance. Not quite as good as form, but it's up there on my list. The popular "test boosting stack" was always Ejaculoid/Tribuloid. It was cheaper than it would cost to jack up dosage for a lot of test boosters, and was just as good for energy, aggression, and libido.
 

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regarding the Goliath products, Ejaculoid is off the hook crazy for libido and male performance. Not quite as good as form, but it's up there on my list. The popular "test boosting stack" was always Ejaculoid/Tribuloid. It was cheaper than it would cost to jack up dosage for a lot of test boosters, and was just as good for energy, aggression, and libido.
I MUST second that motion for Ejaculoid. I'm using it on my current stack to boost libido and, I must say, it DOES work! I'm having a hard time finding Tribuloid, but I'll give it a run once I do. I mean Ejaculoid has given me some CRAZY, extended explosions! Damn! Give it a try!
 
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If you've never tried DTH, then I'd say you at least should give it a go. If you have tried it, I would say that the fact you're even questioning one or the other means you should probably go with Blue Up.
Never done DTH, Ive read good things about it and it has been suggested
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well mine has come back every time just like yours. So ya, I'm keeping my fingers crossed too :laugh:

I caution you with using the Formadrol XL. I haven't used that product, but hear me out. I honestly suspect that NovedexXT and 6oxo at seperate times ended up aggravating the lump and sensations. Just something to keep in mind that even though they're supposed to be AI's, things can still happen differently than we expect.

If I were having sensation issues, I would not be using Blue Up or any test booster. I'd like to think that they wouldn't aggravate a lump situation, but that's just my guess.

I LOVE the stimmed blue up. Once I stop shaking and the jitters wear off, it's a bad ass stim (no joke, I feel like a comic character with squiggly lines all around me while I shake LOL)

On another occasion, I used 1 bottle of stim free Blue Up for maybe 3 weeks. I don't remember the exact dosage, but I don't recall having any effect at all. I guess everyone is different :dunno: No offense, but I suspect you are just feeling the effects of the TD formestane, which overshadows just about anything I've ever stacked it with (except phs of course).

Side note, I've always liked the Goliath labs test boosting stack, that's a little "under the radar" tip of the day ;) But it's off limits now because I think it made my nipples sore and sensitive every time

Kg,
try em out brotha. IMO if you haven't used TD Formestane or Hyperdrol, you're missing out. Those blow away any test booster that I've ever tried.

Who makes this TD Formestane and where can I get it?
 

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CEL of course.:D
It's not illegal.
Oh, okay...I definitely wouldn't want to get banned...it seems we have some people jumping the gun. But I didn't see it for sale at NP...I guess I'll have to do some more research, 'cuz I wouldn't want to get banned for asking where else I could get it (sarcasm included).
 
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asking where and how to get certain things will get you banned, asking what products to use is fine, just not how to obtain them
 

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