Promagnon Is Back!!! Introducing CEL PMag

[celc5]

Day 31

Learn and GT,
Your plans seem reasonable to me. IMO diet will dictate and cardio will dictate how much recomp occurs. I'm still eating like 300-400g carbs per day and cardio is moderate intensity at best, but recomp is still occuring. I'm sure you'll be able to recomp more aggressively if that's your goal.

KG,
I took a few pics yesterday but IMO there's not much difference yet. I think my abs are showing just a hair more and muscle looked fuller even without a pump. I assure you that I'll add after pics at the end of the cycle.

Day 31

Sunday, May 17, 2009

4 Caps P-Mag
CEL Form
Cycle Assist
Taurine

I did my weigh in and skinfold yesterday. Despite productive workouts at the end of last week, not much change in body composition occured. So I suspect that I've maxed out my potential for gains at 75mg. As we discussed, sides have been minimal so I decided to increase the dosage to 100mg as of yesterday.

Btw fellas, something I've been noticing lately is an increase in aggression, motivation, pump, libido, and even heart rate about 1 hour after dosing 2 caps of Pmag. If you plan your dosing appropriately, it can be used as a preworkout boost as well. I suspect the same thing occurs with the formestane, although a post workout shower requires an extra application IMO.

Today was an improv push day. I haven't maxed out for bench in probably about 2 years, since my H-drol cycle. So I started off with a good 30 minutes of warm ups, got all my stabilizers firing for my Brett Farve shoulder and Terry Bradshaw elbow :laugh: I got a lifetime PR for BB Flat Bench! :head: No pain, struggled a bit, but I got it with no spot. The rest of the workout naturally was very productive since I was proud of myself

Tomorrow I start my HST routine to keep motivation high for the final 2 or 3 weeks of the cycle. I don't know exactly how long the cycle will be. The longer I have no sides, the longer the cycle will be. I have a hunch it will end up being 14 more days for a total of 45 days.

 

[smshannon001]

hey celc
what do you think about takin the TD form by CEL pre-workout by 30 mins or so if i sweat like a pregnant woman in the gym? wondering if some of it would come off onto my shirt
i know you love TD form so was gonna come to you first
thanks son

 

[WilteredFire]

hey Celc: Would you say your liking the results/progress so far on the PMag, or would you say H-drol treated you better in terms of progress and results?

 

[learn]

Learn and GT,
Your plans seem reasonable to me. IMO diet will dictate and cardio will dictate how much recomp occurs. I'm still eating like 300-400g carbs per day and cardio is moderate intensity at best, but recomp is still occuring. I'm sure you'll be able to recomp more aggressively if that's your goal.

KG,
I took a few pics yesterday but IMO there's not much difference yet. I think my abs are showing just a hair more and muscle looked fuller even without a pump. I assure you that I'll add after pics at the end of the cycle.

Day 31

Sunday, May 17, 2009

4 Caps P-Mag
CEL Form
Cycle Assist
Taurine

I did my weigh in and skinfold yesterday. Despite productive workouts at the end of last week, not much change in body composition occured. So I suspect that I've maxed out my potential for gains at 75mg. As we discussed, sides have been minimal so I decided to increase the dosage to 100mg as of yesterday.

Btw fellas, something I've been noticing lately is an increase in aggression, motivation, pump, libido, and even heart rate about 1 hour after dosing 2 caps of Pmag. If you plan your dosing appropriately, it can be used as a preworkout boost as well. I suspect the same thing occurs with the formestane, although a post workout shower requires an extra application IMO.

Today was an improv push day. I haven't maxed out for bench in probably about 2 years, since my H-drol cycle. So I started off with a good 30 minutes of warm ups, got all my stabilizers firing for my Brett Farve shoulder and Terry Bradshaw elbow :laugh: I got a lifetime PR for BB Flat Bench! :head: No pain, struggled a bit, but I got it with no spot. The rest of the workout naturally was very productive since I was proud of myself

Tomorrow I start my HST routine to keep motivation high for the final 2 or 3 weeks of the cycle. I don't know exactly how long the cycle will be. The longer I have no sides, the longer the cycle will be. I have a hunch it will end up being 14 more days for a total of 45 days.

dam I have to do cardio :nervous: lol

looks great celc good luck with the 100mgs and congrats on your PR

 

[celc5]

sms,
honestly I think TD form works really well for preworkout aggression and drive. I don't hear many other people using it in that fashion so I guess I can't gaurantee that it'll work for you that way. I'd say try it 3 or 4 times by then you'll know if it's working or not for you. To answer your question, yes I reapply after post workout shower if it's only been a few hours since my preworkout application.

Wilted,
at this point in the cycle, I'd say that Pmag is more comfotable cycle than Hdrol with less sides. In terms of lean mass gains, again at this point, I believe Hdrol is a more aggressive compound at this particular dosage. In terms of recomp potential, I'd say they are equal. In terms of strength in the gym, Hdrol was just barely stronger IMO. I might change my mind after a few weeks of 100mg of Pmag though so stay tuned for the final review in a few weeks :head:

Learn,
I know, I know. Being consistent with cardio sucks balls big time! ...especially when a compound like PMag has me psychologically wanting to do like 20 working sets per bodypart. Not enough hours in the day to do it all :rant:

 

[learn]

sms,
honestly I think TD form works really well for preworkout aggression and drive. I don't hear many other people using it in that fashion so I guess I can't gaurantee that it'll work for you that way. I'd say try it 3 or 4 times by then you'll know if it's working or not for you. To answer your question, yes I reapply after post workout shower if it's only been a few hours since my preworkout application.

Wilted,
at this point in the cycle, I'd say that Pmag is more comfotable cycle than Hdrol with less sides. In terms of lean mass gains, again at this point, I believe Hdrol is a more aggressive compound at this particular dosage. In terms of recomp potential, I'd say they are equal. In terms of strength in the gym, Hdrol was just barely stronger IMO. I might change my mind after a few weeks of 100mg of Pmag though so stay tuned for the final review in a few weeks :head:

Learn,
I know, I know. Being consistent with cardio sucks balls big time! ...especially when a compound like PMag has me psychologically wanting to do like 20 working sets per bodypart. Not enough hours in the day to do it all :rant:

lol my cardio = mow the lawn

 

[KgTomCat]

I might change my mind after a few weeks of 100mg of Pmag though so stay tuned for the final review in a few weeks :head:

I hope so! If I run Pmag, I will be in the 100's for sure :wave2:

 

[buster0371]

I hope so! If I run Pmag, I will be in the 100's for sure :wave2:

crazy mc craze craze

 

[KgTomCat]

crazy mc craze craze

??? why is it crazy

 

[Heartless88]

??? why is it crazy

excuse him... i am just rubbing off on him a tap bit
he uses my words at any given time

 

[celc5]

IMO start out lower to see how you respond. tnasty says he gained a few pounds on the first week at just 50mg so everyone is different. Then if you're having any sides, ramp your dosage as needed IMO. If you get to 100, I don't think that's crazy at all :wave2:

Also, don't misinterpret that comparison. Pmag is a great cycle so far, and it's meeting my expectations almost to a T :head: Also consider that when I say minimal sides so far, I mean it... least of any cycle I've ever ran.

 

[KgTomCat]

IMO start out lower to see how you respond. tnasty says he gained a few pounds on the first week at just 50mg so everyone is different. Then if you're having any sides, ramp your dosage as needed IMO. If you get to 100, I don't think that's crazy at all :wave2:

Also, don't misinterpret that comparison. Pmag is a great cycle so far, and it's meeting my expectations almost to a T :head: Also consider that when I say minimal sides so far, I mean it... least of any cycle I've ever ran.

I didn't mean I was going to jump to 100 of the bat...
For some reason I want to do Hdrol/Furaguno. How do you feel about that cycle?

 

[GotTest]

lol my cardio = mow the lawn

:rofl:
I'm more of an elliptical man myself.
Treadmill/running kills my knees and back.

 

[KgTomCat]

I love all forms of cardio...just my .02

 

[celc5]

Kg,
my personal opinion is that both of your ideas will make for productive cycles. Also, keep in mind that there's more feedback on Furazadrol than Faraguno. So, you know exactly what you are getting with Furaz.

GT,
what sucks is that I get better results when I'm running on the TM for 20 minutes than if I were playing a sport (ie basketball) regularly. But I totally hear ya, the repetitive pounding leads to aching and cracking every freakin time.

 

[learn]

:rofl:
I'm more of an elliptical man myself.
Treadmill/running kills my knees and back.

I can only walk at high speed with my old Knees

 

[KgTomCat]

I've heard great things about Furaz, but its more expensive and I dont know much about it. Furaguno isn't methylated, cheap, and Im going to be dosing it 200-300mg ED and I feel with that dose, a clean diet, and balls-to-the wall effort in the gym, it will bring good results, and the PCT for Fura isnt has complicated as it is for Furaz

 

[learn]

I've heard great things about Furaz, but its more expensive and I dont know much about it. Furaguno isn't methylated, cheap, and Im going to be dosing it 200-300mg ED and I feel with that dose, a clean diet, and balls-to-the wall effort in the gym, it will bring good results, and the PCT for Fura isnt has complicated as it is for Furaz

Furaguno is the same compound if I am not mistaken. the company that has it cheao is selling the expd items . exp in April 09

 

[CompEdgeLabs]

Day 28

Thursday, May 14, 2009

Since a lot of discussion has focused on the possibility of increasing dosage, I finally calculated and posted my body comp progress from last weekend. I gained a little more than 3 pounds of lean mass last week.

Awesome.

well I was thinking 350 I have 5 bottles of Furazadrol on hand . I will see waht CEL can do for me as far as a PMag or Hdrol log I will also have RK500 extreme to run as well 2-3 caps ed

I am getting ready to add the RK500 in with the Suppress-C and TTA-500 that I have been running. I cant believe more people arent talking about that product.


Day 31


I got a lifetime PR for BB Flat Bench! [/I][/B]:head: No pain, struggled a bit, but I got it with no spot. The rest of the workout naturally was very productive since I was proud of myself

Congrats.

 

[celc5]

Day 32

Kg,
Learn's right. You're rolling the dice with Furaguno as feedback is sketchy at best. One reason that Furaz is priced more aggressively is that you know EXACTLY what you're getting. PCT is NOT different (or at least it shouldn't be) because it's the same compound. :study:

CEL,
thanks man. I'm giving Pmag a thumbsup so far :thumbsup:


Day 32

Monday, May 18, 2009

4 Caps Pmag
1 x 2 Cel Form
Cycle Assist
Taurine

Today was a pretty brutal workout. I get to the gym at about 630 on Mondays after work and start that powerball class at 730. So I've got to move it move it move it

I did something like 14 working sets, HST style and it really broke up the monotony. For anyone who's not familiar with that workout philosophy, I strongly encourage that you google to find the FAQ... especially for bodybuilders and cutting, not for powerlifters whatsoever though

Muscles feel full from the workout, powerball got the pump going, and my ego is soaring after another Pens win!!! Woo Hoo!

Another mild side as BP has been up and down. It seems to bounce around, especially at night. I'm keeping a close watch.

 

[KgTomCat]

Furaguno is the same compound if I am not mistaken. the company that has it cheao is selling the expd items . exp in April 09

I noticed they are expired :684:

Kg,
Learn's right. You're rolling the dice with Furaguno as feedback is sketchy at best. One reason that Furaz is priced more aggressively is that you know EXACTLY what you're getting. PCT is NOT different (or at least it shouldn't be) because it's the same compound. :study:

isn't Furaz methylated? :dunno:
so I could just run it along Hdrol, end both, and start up normal PCT and be fine...?

 

[KgTomCat]

I do feel Hdrol/Furaz would being WAY better gains than Hdrol/Fura

 

[learn]

I do feel Hdrol/Furaz would being WAY better gains than Hdrol/Fura

smae same really look at the compounds

botha are nonmethylated

Furazadrol is made by a better company

 

[learn]

I noticed they are expired :684:

isn't Furaz methylated? :dunno:
so I could just run it along Hdrol, end both, and start up normal PCT and be fine...?

PCT wont vary from Axis Furazadrol to the SF stuff but like Celc said Axis you know it is legit

 

[KgTomCat]

smae same really look at the compounds

botha are nonmethylated

Furazadrol is made by a better company

yea I looked, both are identical, just Fura is by Spectra Force, but Im really tight on money right now, even though they expired in April I know they will last a few months after that

 

[KgTomCat]

PCT wont vary from Axis Furazadrol to the SF stuff but like Celc said Axis you know it is legit

I ran Fura back in Feb, had good results even with a half-a$$ diet and some HIIT cardio here and there, and I drank here and there

 

[celc5]

Kg,
-I recommend doing more homework before starting your cycle.
-Furazadrol is NOT methylated.
-I'm not sure what you mean by a "normal" pct or why any of the compounds that you have discussed would change your pct plan.
-If your diet is not in check, don't run a cycle
-If can't restrain from drinking, don't run a cycle.

Just an update for today... blood pressure is going up little by little over the past few days. It wasn't the gut wrenching feeling that I had at the end of my phera run, but the writing is on the wall. I'm only up about 12 or 15 mm (as opposed to +40 with phera... no that wasn't a typo ) The BP is definately interfering with sleep. I could hear and feel my pulse in my ears last night (effing weird feeling for sure!). I'm not sure I ever fell completely asleep last night. I'll tough it out for a few days, but common sense will prevail if need be.

What sucks is that muscle hardness and vascularity are up again since bumping up the dosage. I'm real happy with how I look at the moment. 2 or 3 people have asked if I was losing weight over the past few weeks. Little do they know that I've gained about 3 or 4 pounds... recomp is gratifying :afro:

 

[learn]

Kg,
-I recommend doing more homework before starting your cycle.
-Furazadrol is NOT methylated.
-I'm not sure what you mean by a "normal" pct or why any of the compounds that you have discussed would change your pct plan.
-If your diet is not in check, don't run a cycle
-If can't restrain from drinking, don't run a cycle.

agreed

Just an update for today... blood pressure is going up little by little over the past few days. It wasn't the gut wrenching feeling that I had at the end of my phera run, but the writing is on the wall. I'm only up about 12 or 15 mm (as opposed to +40 with phera... no that wasn't a typo ) The BP is definately interfering with sleep. I could hear and feel my pulse in my ears last night (effing weird feeling for sure!). I'm not sure I ever fell completely asleep last night. I'll tough it out for a few days, but common sense will prevail if need be.

What sucks is that muscle hardness and vascularity are up again since bumping up the dosage. I'm real happy with how I look at the moment. 2 or 3 people have asked if I was losing weight over the past few weeks. Little do they know that I've gained about 3 or 4 pounds... recomp is gratifying :afro:

sounds great man

 

[KgTomCat]

Kg,
-I recommend doing more homework before starting your cycle.
-Furazadrol is NOT methylated.
-I'm not sure what you mean by a "normal" pct or why any of the compounds that you have discussed would change your pct plan.
-If your diet is not in check, don't run a cycle
-If can't restrain from drinking, don't run a cycle.

that came out wrong, sorry man
I got confused of Furazadrol...thats all. The 'normal' PCT thing was if it affects my hormones, would I need to bring in something extra for PCT, diet is in check, and I do not drink while on cycle. When I did Furaguno back in Feb/March I got sloppy, and its an embarrassment. But everything is good now. Im getting the cycle planned now

 

[celc5]

Once you take some time to get your whole plan straightened out, stop back here with your ON Cycle and pct outline. You'll get some real experienced opinions here.

 

[KgTomCat]

Once you take some time to get your whole plan straightened out, stop back here with your ON Cycle and pct outline. You'll get some real experienced opinions here.

I'll make a log of course!

 

[celc5]

Day 33

Day 33

Tuesday, May 19, 2009

4 Cap Pmag
1x2 Cel Form
Cycle Assist
Taurine

Today was a real nice legs and core workout to tie up the loose ends of what I ran out of time for yesterday. The start of an HST routine requires higher rep ranges, which means less warm ups sets. I went through Hams, Quads, Calves, and core within about 50 minutes today. That's the type of efficiency that I need after getting hardly any quality sleep last night.

Pump, hardness, and vascularity have kicked up a notch with the increased dosage.

On the negative side, so has blood pressure as previously mentioned earlier today. I noticed some extra shedding this morning, but that happens to me when I'm having trouble sleeping. It's unclear if the extra shedding this morning was due to the compound or due to the lack of sleep.

At this point right now, I feel pretty good and I'm happy with the way I look in the mirror. I'll bet body comp measures are gonna jump in a positive direction this week :head:

 

[learn]

Day 33

Tuesday, May 19, 2009

4 Cap Pmag
1x2 Cel Form
Cycle Assist
Taurine

Today was a real nice legs and core workout to tie up the loose ends of what I ran out of time for yesterday. The start of an HST routine requires higher rep ranges, which means less warm ups sets. I went through Hams, Quads, Calves, and core within about 50 minutes today. That's the type of efficiency that I need after getting hardly any quality sleep last night.

Pump, hardness, and vascularity have kicked up a notch with the increased dosage.

On the negative side, so has blood pressure as previously mentioned earlier today. I noticed some extra shedding this morning, but that happens to me when I'm having trouble sleeping. It's unclear if the extra shedding this morning was due to the compound or due to the lack of sleep.

At this point right now, I feel pretty good and I'm happy with the way I look in the mirror. I'll bet body comp measures are gonna jump in a positive direction this week :head:

very nice Celc

ps Hair is sooooo over rated

 

[Wetdawg]

Celc5,
Nice Log so far. I have two questions for you: Did you start taking Taurine at the same time you started P-mag or before your cycle started? Are you going to run the Cel Form through your PCT?
Thanks

 

[KgTomCat]

I'll bet body comp measures are gonna jump in a positive direction this week :head:

look forward to seeing the results, no pics?

very nice Celc
ps Hair is sooooo over rated

HAHAHA

 

[learn]

look forward to seeing the results, no pics?

HAHAHA

page 1

 

[celc5]

Learn,
I agree. I could care less about hair to be honest. I'd have shaved my head a few years ago if most girls didn't tell me not to :afro:

Kg,
before pics are on page 1. I have a pic from yesterday. I'll put in up today or tomorrow for comparison.

Wetdawg,
I started taurine on day 1. In all honesty, with this compound you could probably just have it on hand IN CASE back pumps started. I was only dosing about 5g/day and I had no cramping or back pumps at all.

Keep in mind that GotTest and I both use taurine as a BP supplement as well. I can't remember if I mentioned this on this board or not, but I have increased my taurine dosage since my BP has been climbing lately.

I ran the CEL form because I have pre-existing gyno... make that HAD gyno now that it's gone I personally don't feel like formestane has that big of a kick in pct. I prefer to use it ON cycle and during nha stacks for cutting. Others like it in pct so that's just based on personal preference.

 

[Wetdawg]

Thanks Celc5.
When I ran H-Drol I got some pretty fierce back pumps. I was doing bananas like crazy. Didn't help much. I figure once I start the Meth (P-Mag) I'll start downing the Taurine. I have 500mg caps, getting 5g a day will be some swallowing. As far as CEL Form, I'm thinking I will also start when I drop the P-Mag into the mix. I suppose it could not hurt to run it the entire cycle in a low dose, unless more is needed. Thanks again.

 

[celc5]

Thanks Celc5.
When I ran H-Drol I got some pretty fierce back pumps. I was doing bananas like crazy. Didn't help much. I figure once I start the Meth (P-Mag) I'll start downing the Taurine. I have 500mg caps, getting 5g a day will be some swallowing. As far as CEL Form, I'm thinking I will also start when I drop the P-Mag into the mix. I suppose it could not hurt to run it the entire cycle in a low dose, unless more is needed. Thanks again.

Based on your last post, don't worry about running the Taurine untill you actually need it IMO. I cramped really hard on H-drol too but not on Pmag. I'm hit or miss with cramping on several different compounds.

You would be just fine either way you described with your CEL Form. You'll like it, TD formestane is my favorite supplement by far... wait, have I said that before :think: :laugh:

 

[Wetdawg]

Based on your last post, don't worry about running the Taurine untill you actually need it IMO. I cramped really hard on H-drol too but not on Pmag. I'm hit or miss with cramping on several different compounds.:

Thanks, just wanted to make sure the Taurine was not something that needed to be built up like Cycle assist. I will down it when I need it

You would be just fine either way you described with your CEL Form. You'll like it, TD formestane is my favorite supplement by far... wait, have I said that before :think: :laugh:

Yes, I think you have! :09:

 

[celc5]

Day 34

Wetdawg,
well with the Taurine, IMO you should tailor your approach based on the compound. I'd be running Taurine from day 1 with SD and Halo. I've never ran Trenadrol but I'd prolly do the same for that. With Pheraplex, Havoc, P-Mag I'd wait till I had a problem and then load up on a bunch of taurine (like 8-10g/day) to get rid of the problem. Then I'd taper it off... this whole paragraph is in regards to using Taurine for back pumps and not in regards to BP at all btw.

Oh and just noticed your size, IMO higher dosages are probably going to apply for a big mutha like you :head: ...so take any dosing advice with that in mind.

Day 34

Wednesday, May 20, 2009

4 Caps P-Mag
1 x 2 CEL Form
Taurine (lots)

If you're reading closely, I skipped the Cycle Assist today just to see if that makes any difference tonight for sleep quality. I don't recommend dropping health support supplements so do as I say, not as I do :nono: I still took my niacin, HB, omegas, C, yadda yadda

Workout today was an upper body HST routine. I'm still in phase 1 but getting close to my rm's quickly with a few personal tweaks. The pumps and vascularity were REDICULOUS today! And it started within my first set or 2 of the workout.

I did a few lifts in the 15 rep range and a few in the 20 rep range. My ON cycle ego overestimated a few poundages, but damn if I wasn't able to blast right through those last few reps every time :head: 100mgs is a nice ride so far... wish I would have kicked it up sooner. But that's why CEL's sponsoring the log, for you all to learn how to best use their products.

 

[Wetdawg]

Thanks for the dosage info. Great work on your posts! I read them daily

 

[learn]

well I decided to go PMAG furazadrol RK-500

CEL has donated a bottle of Pmag and a bottle of Cycle Assist
And SNS has Donated the RK-500
All I have to do is show up with my 5 bottles of Furazadrol and run it 6 weeks

 

[buster0371]

doesnt CEL got a sup called EQ Plex or something? supposed to be BOLD. anyone got any info or oppinions on this supplement or BOLD in general?

 

[KgTomCat]

Celc5,
I went ahead and ordered the Fura man, can't afford the Furaz maybe when I have more $$$

 

[celc5]

Learn,
sounds like a good plan. Don't be afraid to have at least 2 bottles of Pmag on hand too.

Buster,
EQ Plex is a Bold clone. It is a non methyl of 1,4ad. It had poor feedback in the past because people didn't dose aggressively enough or run it long enough. Now we about 800mg for about 8 wks is the sweet spot. Somehow, this compound survived the big ban that took 1t, m1t, m5, mohn, etc

1,4ad is flexible so it could be used for a real lean recomp and stacks well with an aggressive dose of Hdrol, a tren, or even a phera. When people say they gain about 13-16 pounds when stacking with bold, this is one time where they are NOT exaggerating. Sides are typically very tolerable EXCEPT that you get shutdown worse than a dork at the Playboy mansion. It's not a beginner's choice if you're gonna do it correctly IMO.

Kg,
good luck brotha. It'll be cool to hear how it works out since feedback is scarce. IMO the more options we have at our disposal, the better.

 

[KgTomCat]

Kg,
good luck brotha. It'll be cool to hear how it works out since feedback is scarce. IMO the more options we have at our disposal, the better.

I will deff log it!!!

 

[learn]

Learn,
sounds like a good plan. Don't be afraid to have at least 2 bottles of Pmag on hand too.

.

lol just ordered a bottle last night I may end up getting 1 more. remember I will have Furazadrol in the mix

 

[Andre8564]

According to lab tests Furaguno is legit: www(dot)ergo-log(dot)com/testfuraguno.html (Can't post URLs yet)

I'm also mixing Furaguno and Furazadrol.

 

[KgTomCat]

According to lab tests Furaguno is legit: www(dot)ergo-log(dot)com/testfuraguno.html (Can't post URLs yet)

I'm also mixing Furaguno and Furazadrol.

they're the same thing, just different brands