Yes like Boman says Zinc helps to keep Estradiol levels down in some men it's so high Zinc does nothing but still we need it we don't get the Zinc from the corn fed meat we eat. But and this is a big But taking Zinc will lower your Copper levels so add in some Copper 2 mgs / day for every 50 mgs you take. I use to take Zinc 50 mgs with 2 mgs or Copper in it. Doing this did not work to keep my Copper levels up you can't talk both at the same time. So now I do ZMA at badtime and 2 mgs of Copper at Noon.
What happens is Zinc is great for a man's testis they need it to work better and it will lower your Estraidol if your not very high. The first time you tired it and got Rem Sleep wood back then lost it again. What happens is Estradiol rebounds very fast on use. So then your lost weight and when you lose weight you lose Aromatase this is what converts your Testosterone into Estradiol so less weight loss Aromatase and less Estradiol. Getting Rem Sleep wood means your at your best levels for Estradiol 20 pg/ ml for most men with a mid range of SHBG. As we have lower SHBG we need to keep Estraidol lower my SHBG is 20 I have good Rem Sleep wood at levels of Estradiol between 15 to 20. High Estradiol will kill your sex life give you ED, Brain Fog, Fatigue, mess with your Thyroid and can give you bad Anxiety even Panic Attacks, sore and Hard Nipples, Gyno and even stop you from reaching an orgasm.
Dr.'s don't know about this and will not check Estradiol let alone give meds to lower it like Arimidex or Aromasin so I tell me that have feelings of high Estraidol to take Zinc/Copper and to try Indolplex DIM.
Here is a copy of a file I made about DIM.
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ALL ABOUT DIM.
Sure here is a few links that are all about it. But there are a lot of Co.'s out there selling DIM that don't work well. Indolplex/DIM is the best it dose not get killed in your stomach when you take it.
Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a stable indole found in cruciferous vegetables which promotes a beneficial estrogen metabolism in both women and men.
http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm
in this link it's full of links about it.
http://qualitycounts.com/fpdim.html
http://www.jbc.org/content/278/23/21136.full
If you have DIM in caps it's not Indolplex so to take this and to get it to work open the cap pore the DIM into a spoon add some Olive oil and take it this helps to keep it from getting killed in your stomach.
The following is some links to where you can buy Indolplex/DIM.
http://www.vitaglo.com/e5336.html
http://www.vitacost.com/EnzymaticTherapyEstroBalancewithDIM/searchby-PN/searchtext-dim
http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0
http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0
http://www.estrobalance.net/
http://www.easyhealthzone.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PP0108&click=71
http://www.nbizz.com/longevityclinic/listings/213.html
http://www.drugnatural.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=DMOS&Product_Code=156497
http://www.smartbomb.com/itindo9.html?utm_source=mercent&utm_medium=shopcompare&utm_content=itindo9&utm_campaign=mbsdb&mr:trackingCode=C6AEFBD1-E681-DE11-B7F3-0019B9C043EB&mr:referralID=NA
http://www.ritecare.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?db=product_db.dat&category=natural+medicine&method=any_words&search=iti-75336
http://www.naturamart.com/phytopharmica-pms-formula-with-indoplex-120-caps.html
How to take Indolplex/DIM take one tablet 120 mgs at dinner time it can take 2 weeks to 2 months to get your Estradiol levels down it’s all about how high you are in your levels. What you need to do is get
this down to about 20 pg/ml. When you get this low your night time and morning wood will come back so strong it will wake you up this means most of the time your at your best levels or what I call the sweet spot. Keep taking the DIM but if your wood stops your going down to low so just stop taking it. The day your wood comes back go back on the DIM but cut the tablet in half. If your Testosterone was tested and low but your not on TRT get it tested again you might find your levels came up some 200 to 300 points.
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174
Here is a cut and paste why Dr. John feels we need to take TMG with DIM.
I have seen several studies which showed that while
DIM improves the 2-OHE/16-a-OHE ratio, it also increases the bad 4-OHE.
TMG, or its child DMG (although
TMG is much better because it has already donated a valuable methyl group by the time it becomes DMG) will help flush the 4-OHE downstream.
Taking TMG/DMG is important on its own, even in absence of
DIM supplementation. But I would not take
DIM without it.
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The following is what Dr. Marianco says about lowing E2 with DIM and other things.
My interpretation of the above articles is that:
1.
DIM blocks DHT from binding to androgen-receptors in the Prostate. This is a good thing - it reduces the risk of prostate cancer from testosterone replacement therapy.
2.
DIM does not stop the production of DHT. For
DIM to do so, it has to inhibit the reductase enzyme that converts testosterone to DHT. The articles do not indicate that this is occurring.
In regard to how
DIM works, it blocks certain Cytochrome P450 enzymes in the liver which convert Estrogens to more proliferative, cancerous types of estrogens. This forces the liver to use other pathways, which convert estrogens to non-proliferative, safer, and less potent estrogens. Thus, overall estrogen activity is reduced by
DIM.
Arimidex blocks the aromatase enzyme that converts testosterone to estrogens, thus lowering the production of estrogens and thus lowering estrogen activity. There are other substances which also block the aromatase enzyme - including 6-OXO (an over-the-counter supplement), Aromasin, etc..
Which do you want to use? Either choice is valid. It will depend on the individual's response, how easy it is to control estrogen activity, cost, etc.
Other factors:
1. Arimidex is by prescription and is very expensive.
2. 6-OXO is over-the-counter, but dosing guidelines are not clear.
3.
DIM is over-the-counter, is relatively expensive for what you get. There are pitfalls - such as "DIM-complex" - which water down the
DIM concentration by adding additives.
4. Broccoli and I3C - both precursors to
DIM can be used. But they require you to avoid antacids, needing acidity in the stomach to break them down and create
DIM.
In any case, you will have to monitor your estrogen levels via blood testing to determine how much of each you want to use.
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Lets call this part 1 in part 2 I will post a file about taking Arimidex and not going to low on it.