Youth Of Today...

I see it in teaching. These kids have an unrealistic sense of entitlement their parents gave them. Mainly because of the divorce rate, parents want to be their kids' friends and don't discipline or set boundaries. Then they get to my class and cant handle the structure. Unfortunately some teachers act like the kindly pushover parents... Kids have enough friends; they only have two parents. I'm not out to be a kid's friend, but I'm fair and eventually they see that. Then they run their b.s. on other teachers.
 
Piston Honda said:
I see it in teaching. These kids have an unrealistic sense of entitlement their parents gave them. Mainly because of the divorce rate, parents want to be their kids' friends and don't discipline or set boundaries. Then they get to my class and cant handle the structure. Unfortunately some teachers act like the kindly pushover parents... Kids have enough friends; they only have two parents. I'm not out to be a kid's friend, but I'm fair and eventually they see that. Then they run their b.s. on other teachers.
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My little niece said to me the other day, "I hate that my mom is more like my friend than my mom". (An 8 year old)
 
Piston Honda said:
I see it in teaching. These kids have an unrealistic sense of entitlement their parents gave them. Mainly because of the divorce rate, parents want to be their kids' friends and don't discipline or set boundaries. Then they get to my class and cant handle the structure. Unfortunately some teachers act like the kindly pushover parents... Kids have enough friends; they only have two parents. I'm not out to be a kid's friend, but I'm fair and eventually they see that. Then they run their b.s. on other teachers.
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I can sympathsize. I have been I education for 12 years, as a teacher, department supervisor and vice Principal.

The behavior and entitlement has gotten so much worse over the years that I cannot imagine where it will be when I retire. I truly want to write a book when I am done with some of these stories.
 
Piston Honda said:
I see it in teaching. These kids have an unrealistic sense of entitlement their parents gave them. Mainly because of the divorce rate, parents want to be their kids' friends and don't discipline or set boundaries. Then they get to my class and cant handle the structure. Unfortunately some teachers act like the kindly pushover parents... Kids have enough friends; they only have two parents. I'm not out to be a kid's friend, but I'm fair and eventually they see that. Then they run their b.s. on other teachers.
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I support two other men's kids.. I know exactly what you mean. Makes it hard as a good parent to beat that..
 
can we turn this into a baby boomer hate thread now? ive been googling the topic for like 2 days straight since thebigT made that comment about the boomers suckin ass

im startin to hate them now (sry mom lol)
 
OnionKnight said:
can we turn this into a baby boomer hate thread now? ive been googling the topic for like 2 days straight since thebigT made that comment about the boomers suckin ass

im startin to hate them now (sry mom lol)
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OnionKnight said:
can we turn this into a baby boomer hate thread now? ive been googling the topic for like 2 days straight since thebigT made that comment about the boomers suckin ass

im startin to hate them now (sry mom lol)
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the bad thing about my generation is we critized everything about our parents and their values, when our parents are now considered by many to be the greatest generation ever....then to top it off, now that we are the one's with the power we have taken everything we critized about our parents generation to a whole new level....back in the day we used to call this 'selling out'....if you want my opinion, my entire generation 'sold out'.

my generation...'baby boomers', gets my vote as the worst generation ever!!!
 
You didn't sell out, you bought in!
 
I think everyone will describe the party depending on how it went for them. In my case I'm the only female and I have three more brothers. Never in my life me or my brothers were spanked nor yelled at. My mom is a psychologist and my dad is an agronomy engineer. I was taught from very little that there's consequences for everything I did and do. If I made bad choices consequences were going to be disastrous. My mom's speech was something I didn't want to hear, she knew how to made us all feel extremely guilty and she helped us realized what we did was just not right and that she didn't raise us to do any kind of craziness. Neither my parents were verbal or physical violent parents, they would always talk to us. We did get grounded several times. But as I grew and went to medical school at age 17 I 100% knew making idiotic choices meant bad bad consequences. I don't know but I do believe children now a days have no idea about consequences. They do things however whenever they want and have no idea about consequences. They always get away with whatever they do. I think talking to kids and letting them know their actions will have either positive or negative consequences is a must. Just my humble opinion. Btw me an my 3 brothers were all raise the same exact way, no one became a social parasite, we all went to college. One works for FOX channel as an electronic engineer, the other is a psychologist and the other one is a lawyer. This is just how it worked for us. Talking always worked.
 
michelle82 said:
I think everyone will describe the party depending on how it went for them. In my case I'm the only female and I have three more brothers. Never in my life me or my brothers were spanked nor yelled at. My mom is a psychologist and my dad is an agronomy engineer. I was taught from very little that there's consequences for everything I did and do. If I made bad choices consequences were going to be disastrous. My mom's speech was something I didn't want to hear, she knew how to made us all feel extremely guilty and she helped us realized what we did was just not right and that she didn't raise us to do any kind of craziness. Neither my parents were verbal or physical violent parents, they would always talk to us. We did get grounded several times. But as I grew and went to medical school at age 17 I 100% knew making idiotic choices meant bad bad consequences. I don't know but I do believe children now a days have no idea about consequences. They do things however whenever they want and have no idea about consequences. They always get away with whatever they do. I think talking to kids and letting them know their actions will have either positive or negative consequences is a must. Just my humble opinion. Btw me an my 3 brothers were all raise the same exact way, no one became a social parasite, we all went to college. One works for FOX channel as an electronic engineer, the other is a psychologist and the other one is a lawyer. This is just how it worked for us. Talking always worked.
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2 out of 3 aint bad...sorry to hear about your brother the lawyer....oh well, can't win them all!!!
 
Back in soviet Russia we didn't have **** as children. Living in a family of 5 kids (1 brother 3 sisters) Me and my older brother shared a pair of shoes ,that's how broke we were. We probly had meat like once a week, it would usually be pork or chicken. Whenever we smelled meat cooking it was like a holiday at home. We also used to go out and gather mushrooms and berries when the seasons allowed us. When me and my brother used to **** up though our mother would call our father, and he would beat our ass Red Terror style. It sucked because if one of us ****ed up he'd beat both of our asses, and he'd usually do it in front of the girls or who ever is around. We had a family that was really close, you couldn't even push a thin piece of paper between us, my fathers Bolshevist morals and beliefs created a strict but just environment I believe.

But these days kids and their parents are just bull****. I haven't seen a generation more disrespectful and careless than these late 90s-2000+ kids. I also blame liberalism and democrats.
 
michelle82 said:
I don't know if its bad here in America but in Central America he's just fine.
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i don't know about central america but here in the u.s i would consider him a scumbag...just like all the other scumbag lawyers!!!

just my opinion-remember, most politicians are scumbags, oops i mean lawyers!!!
 
thebigt said:
i don't know about central america but here in the u.s i would consider him a scumbag...just like all the other scumbag lawyers!!!

just my opinion-remember, most politicians are scumbags, oops i mean lawyers!!!
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Both are scumbags * yay America.
 
thebigt said:
the bad thing about my generation is we critized everything about our parents and their values, when our parents are now considered by many to be the greatest generation ever....then to top it off, now that we are the one's with the power we have taken everything we critized about our parents generation to a whole new level....back in the day we used to call this 'selling out'....if you want my opinion, my entire generation 'sold out'.

my generation...'baby boomers', gets my vote as the worst generation ever!!!
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Piston Honda said:
You didn't sell out, you bought in!
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"Sold out" or "bought out" is a pretty accurate statement.

We have had our social media, entertainment industry, sports industry, marketing industry and government dictate to us what is appropriate parenting and appropriate child behavior. Woman (no disrespect) are telling men (absent and incompetent husbands and fathers) how to be men, husbands and fathers. IMHO this is all mens fault. Men have failed to step up and be authentic men - servant-leading their families, communities, industries and government.

Far too many parents are incompetent and, although well intentioned, have nothing to invest in their children but material and dollars.

I hate to drop the scripture bomb on the topic but this screams present time mens failures and our condition as a result:

Isaiah 3:1-4

See now, the Lord, the Lord Almighty, is about to take from Jerusalem and Judah both supply and support: all supplies of food and all supplies of water, the hero and the warrior, the judge and the prophet, the diviner and the elder, the captain of fifty and the man of rank, the counselor, skilled craftsman and clever enchanter.

“I will make mere youths their officials; children will rule over them.”
 
So judging by that quote, it's God's fault men are becoming weaker?

Joking (kind of)
 
thebigt said:
i don't know about central america but here in the u.s i would consider him a scumbag...just like all the other scumbag lawyers!!!

just my opinion-remember, most politicians are scumbags, oops i mean lawyers!!!
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I don't know you know. I only know he deals with children who have been abused or neglected by their parents, caregivers and are ready to be adopted, so I don't know if he's a scumbag!
 
EatMoar said:
Men are becoming weaker because society is feminizing men. Its just one factor contributing to guys acting more like girls.
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That was kind of sexist mate...My grandmother and great grand mother are both great examples of strong independent women. most of the women in my family are strong and not "girly" "weak". Being a woman is nothing easier or simpler than being a man. A proper mother that has set a good example for her children is the one that has been both a mother and a professional, not leaving the home or kids out of the picture but also not forgetting she is a personal and professional too.

I don't know...I just don't see women as "weak", and men being sensitive is not a bad thing, macho mentalities are not the greatest example to lead children by either.
 
Piston Honda said:
So judging by that quote, it's God's fault men are becoming weaker?

Joking (kind of)
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No it's not. Actions, choices and consequences. The existence of a Creator (God) does not negate consequences. It was Isaiah's prophecy - continue to abandon or reject certain moral or ethical values (God's laws) and here is what your consequences are...(i don't want to OT the thread - i have some material I can post up on the matter at an other time)

Parents and society have dropped the ball and standards (in all areas) have declined rapidly. There are consequences and we as a society are experiencing them.
 
Celorza said:
That was kind of sexist mate...My grandmother and great grand mother are both great examples of strong independent women. most of the women in my family are strong and not "girly" "weak". Being a woman is nothing easier or simpler than being a man. A proper mother that has set a good example for her children is the one that has been both a mother and a professional, not leaving the home or kids out of the picture but also not forgetting she is a personal and professional too.

I don't know...I just don't see women as "weak", and men being sensitive is not a bad thing, macho mentalities are not the greatest example to lead children by either.
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Strong woman can raise men but it is not their core role. Strong men raise strong sons and strong daughters - that is their core role.

I have a very strong mother - she did not nor could not be the father I needed no matter how strong she was or how hard she tried. There is no substitute for a man and his influence.
 
God creating beings that He knew would disobey Him and ten punishing them? Sorry, that's one of the many reasons why I can't subscribe to religion. By the way, how did He fix His mistake and redeem mankind? By sending His son to be sacrificed by us. Not exactly the best father figure to have your son die to fix your initial screw up.

However, the metaphor of God as a father and us as His children works I suppose; although the lesson could still be made without the incorporation of religious doctrine. Disobey your parents, suffer the consequences.
 
David Dunn said:
Strong woman can raise men but it is not their core role. Strong men raise strong sons and strong daughters - that is their core role.

I have a very strong mother - she did not nor could not be the father I needed no matter how strong she was or how hard she tried. There is no substitute for a man and his influence.
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Oh I know, but it also part of the role of a mother to raise the son, not only of the father. I do agree it is 100% essential to have a strong father figure, but that does not mean the implication in his post where he says men become "weak like women"...women are not inherently weak nor should they be prejudiced like so...
 
Celorza said:
Oh I know, but it also part of the role of a mother to raise the son, not only of the father. I do agree it is 100% essential to have a strong father figure, but that does not mean the implication in his post where he says men become "weak like women"...women are not inherently weak nor should they be prejudiced like so...
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You're reading something that isn't there. I didn't mean that women were weak. I meant they are FEMININE and men are MASCULINE . How can a woman teach something she never can be?
 
EatMoar said:
Men are becoming weaker because society is feminizing men. Its just one factor contributing to guys acting more like girls.
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EatMoar said:
You're reading something that isn't there. I didn't mean that women were weak. I meant they are FEMININE and men are MASCULINE . How can a woman teach something she never can be?
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Just read what you wrote...you wrote weaker because they are feminizing them, feminine being an attribute of women and thus denoting that they are weak for being more like a woman...when have women been weak? Just saying...sounded a bit too macho, but we are in anabolic den with hormonal macho males...so I guess it's expected?

Didn't mean to call out anything, just pointing that I think different in the sense that a sensible man is not inherently weak, nor is a woman just automatically weak for being feminine
 
I refuse to have kids because this world is pretty messed up. Even with great nurturing, nature can mess them up.
 
puccah8808 said:
I refuse to have kids because this world is pretty messed up. Even with great nurturing, nature can mess them up.
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Wow...honda wasn't kidding about your posts :/. Anyhow aren't you a bit too young for kids anyway? Hell I know I am 13 years too young to even get close to be a dad
 
jimbuick said:
She's 31.

Way to assume though.
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Nope , and still too young...some psychology studies presume the best age to have children is a bit after 35 y.o. , and some talks I have had with psychology and psychiatric students I know agree with it...just a thought though.

Way to jump in though.
 
michelle82 said:
I don't know you know. I only know he deals with children who have been abused or neglected by their parents, caregivers and are ready to be adopted, so I don't know if he's a scumbag!
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the point being if you don't like getting smelly stay out of the garbage...why would a good man want to be in a profession so full of scumbags?


that being said i will be the 1st to say there are exceptions to every rule...and if your brother truely is that exception and capable of being untouched by the sharks swimming in that pool, then i would say that he is indeed an exceptional man!!!
 
Celorza said:
Just read what you wrote...you wrote weaker because they are feminizing them, feminine being an attribute of women and thus denoting that they are weak for being more like a woman...when have women been weak? Just saying...sounded a bit too macho, but we are in anabolic den with hormonal macho males...so I guess it's expected?

Didn't mean to call out anything, just pointing that I think different in the sense that a sensible man is not inherently weak, nor is a woman just automatically weak for being feminine
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Oops just reread what I wrote didn't mean for it to come out that way. Oh swell no biggie.
 
Don't get me wrong I think there's scumbags in every single profession. I get your point though. All we were taught and still try to do is our best.
 
Celorza said:
Nope , and still too young...some psychology studies presume the best age to have children is a bit after 35 y.o. , and some talks I have had with psychology and psychiatric students I know agree with it...just a thought though.

Way to jump in though.
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Ahh yes, celorza back with his extensive experience with everything. How we all missed that...
 
thebigt said:
the point being if you don't like getting smelly stay out of the garbage...why would a good man want to be in a profession so full of scumbags?

that being said i will be the 1st to say there are exceptions to every rule...and if your brother truely is that exception and capable of being untouched by the sharks swimming in that pool, then i would say that he is indeed an exceptional man!!!
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Don't get me wrong I think there's scumbags in every single profession. I get your point though. All we were taught and still try to do is our best.
 
thebigt said:
the point being if you don't like getting smelly stay out of the garbage...why would a good man want to be in a profession so full of scumbags?

that being said i will be the 1st to say there are exceptions to every rule...and if your brother truely is that exception and capable of being untouched by the sharks swimming in that pool, then i would say that he is indeed an exceptional man!!!
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The difference my stand also that different from America lawyers don't live or act like celebrities. A lot of them are low-middle class people striving to support a family. No brand suits, expensive cars and that crap. If you study something that takes 6-8 years of your life it means you really like what your going to become. We are never taught in schools that by becoming a lawyer or dr you'll be filthy rich. Many of my teachers all drs smart and with tons of experience and knowledge passionate about what they did drove a 95-98 geo metro pretty beat up, same with lawyers so I get your point but I think interests do change from country to country.
 
michelle82 said:
Don't get me wrong I think there's scumbags in every single profession. I get your point though. All we were taught and still try to do is our best.
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lol...sorry i just have a thing for lawyers. a neccessary evil is about the best i have to say about them...from what you have said your brother does indeed seem to be one of the good ones.

thank you for being so thick skinned and not being offended by my off the cuff remarks,


tom
 
thebigt said:
lol...sorry i just have a thing for lawyers. a neccessary evil is about the best i have to say about them...from what you have said your brother does indeed seem to be one of the good ones.

thank you for being so thick skinned and not being offended by my off the cuff remarks,

tom
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No worries I totally understand you and what you meant. I have the exact same problem here in America with Drs in general and with the health care system. I suffer and tears up my heart when I see all this people who can't go to a Dr. because they don't have insurance and how expensive it is to go to a Dr here. Again, I love this country I'm blessed to be a U.S. resident but all this little things make you feel powerless and sown times even upset. No worries!
 
jimbuick said:
Ahh yes, celorza back with his extensive experience with everything. How we all missed that...
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I know nothing about life lol, but please deny me of an opinion or discussion in an open forum.

What has made you so aggressive Jimmy? Life been rough? Wanna talk about it?
 
Piston Honda said:
God creating beings that He knew would disobey Him and ten punishing them? Sorry, that's one of the many reasons why I can't subscribe to religion. By the way, how did He fix His mistake and redeem mankind? By sending His son to be sacrificed by us. Not exactly the best father figure to have your son die to fix your initial screw up.
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You have been abundantly clear on your stance about the matter of religion, God or a Creator here and elsewhere. It's OT and not something that needs to be elaborated upon here hence my OT disclaimer.

However, the metaphor of God as a father and us as His children works I suppose; although the lesson could still be made without the incorporation of religious doctrine. Disobey your parents, suffer the consequences.
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Agreed.
 
Celorza said:
Oh I know, but it also part of the role of a mother to raise the son, not only of the father. I do agree it is 100% essential to have a strong father figure, but that does not mean the implication in his post where he says men become "weak like women"...women are not inherently weak nor should they be prejudiced like so...
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Understood.
 
Celorza said:
I know nothing about life lol, but please deny me of an opinion or discussion in an open forum.

What has made you so aggressive Jimmy? Life been rough? Wanna talk about it?
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You're tone bothers me, you try to speak in a matter-of-fact way on every topic.

You don't present anything as an opinion.

Like telling a 31 year old woman she is not old enough to have children (if she wanted them) because some study says she has to be 35.
 
jimbuick said:
You're tone bothers me, you try to speak in a matter-of-fact way on every topic.

You don't present anything as an opinion.

Like telling a 31 year old woman she is not old enough to have children (if she wanted them) because some study says she has to be 35.
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It's the way you wanna read it my friend, I seriously don't mean ill business but if that's your opinion of it go for it.

Before you derail any further, wanna add something to the subject? Or did you just pop in to say hi to me :)?

I for one think it is ironic that us kids are talking about this, but I for one think that my parents did not fail as people or teaching me about life. My conceitedness led me to make a lot of mistakes, luckily my father has responded to it and left me to myself to figure them out and solve them to teach me the lesson he learned, dig yourself a whole and learn to climb out of it.

Thoughts on that jimmy? Any opinions?
 
I have no opinion on it, I don't socialize with the "youths of today" and have no experience with most of the complaints ITT.

Which is why I've only read it thus far, without posting.
 
jimbuick said:
I have no opinion on it, I don't socialize with the "youths of today" and have no experience with most of the complaints ITT.

Which is why I've only read it thus far, without posting.
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Ok thanks jimmy boy.
 
Celorza said:
I know nothing about life lol, but please deny me of an opinion or discussion in an open forum.

What has made you so aggressive Jimmy? Life been rough? Wanna talk about it?
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YOU ARE DENIED SIR! At the hospital the mean age for women with kids is 21 . I see 15 year olds having kids like clock work. Its sad. But whatevah. Have a kid whenever you want unless you're 60.... That's just insane.
 
EatMoar said:
YOU ARE DENIED SIR! At the hospital the mean age for women with kids is 21 . I see 15 year olds having kids like clock work. Its sad. But whatevah. Have a kid whenever you want unless you're 60.... That's just insane.
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Haha I know the mean is that, or now know thanks to you (had an idea though) but hey come on...let us at least not be kids before thinking we can raise another life...i would be a pathetic and horrible parent right now. I have much yet to learn and grow up.
 
Women are and should always feel free to chose weather they want to have kids or not. There use to be a huge chart in our hospital explaining the risks according to age for women to get pregnant. 35 and over increased dramatically the risk of having babies with chromosomal defects, increases the risk of gestational diabetes, high blood pressure and it may take longer for the patient to get pregnant. There's a lot of syndromes that become a potential threat for babies regarding the age when women get pregnant. Fertility as I mentioned decreases and got to see many women struggling to get pregnant for the very first time. With this what I'm trying to say is there's not an established age to get pregnant. That's a personal choice. Once you think you're mature enough, mentally, physically and professionally stable you can do as you wish. Just make sure you're making the right choice. When you're ready to change your life and welcome a baby into your life you'll know in your heart! ;)
 
michelle82 said:
Women are and should always be free to chose when to have or if they never want to have kids. There use to be a huge chart in our hospital explaining the risk according to age for women to get pregnant. 35 and over just increases the risk of having babies with chromosomal defects, increases the risk of gestational diabetes, high blood pressure and it may take longer for the patient to get pregnant. There's a lot of syndromes that become a potential threat for babies regarding the age when women get pregnant. Fertility as I mentioned decreases and we could see how women struggle to get pregnant for the first time. With this what I'm trying to say is there's not an established age to get pregnant. That's a personal choice. Once you think you're mature enough, mentally, physically and professionally stable you can do as you wish. Just make sure you're making the right choice. When you're ready to change your life and welcome a baby into your life you'll know in your heart! ;)
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The medical aspect is one that wasn't considered in our discussions actually haha nice point. It was all a rant we have been having about all these teenage pregnant girls.
 
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