Your experience with Havoc?

My plan:

Havoc 30/30/30/30 (4 weeks)
Rich Piana 5% Nutrition Liver & Organ Defender, come da etichetta (4 weeks)

at the expiration of four weeks:

Rebirth + Super PCT

How does it look?
 
yep,
2 OTC PTCs does not a SERM make :trout:

Can someone chime in if havoc works somewhat like epi? Through some DHT like hormone? Isn't saw palmetto counterproductive then? Not sure, just shooting from the hip with some things I remember about it.
 
6 weeks of Epistane works well, needs SERM, can bulk or cut with it, might need an AI in PCT, just in case. I'd include some joint support on cycle, especially if you're 35+. If Havoc is legit, of course.
 
gagandugan said:
6 weeks of Epistane works well, needs SERM, can bulk or cut with it, might need an AI in PCT, just in case. I'd include some joint support on cycle, especially if you're 35+. If Havoc is legit, of course.
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6 weeks at dosages that?

Laxogenin + omega3 could go during epistane ...?

The serm is not easy to find it ... if not with a prescription !!!!
 
enraged_chris said:
I know Epistane can be found in the UK but I was under the impression that rpn havoc has been discontinued for a long time and anything left on the market was counterfeit/old stock that could have converted to pheraplex.
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it's true ... I read it too!
 
bb333 said:
Four weeks is a waste?
because?

I am Italian, I do not speak English ... :(
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Epistane starts to shine around week 3 so you'll be ending your cycle right when you start to get the most of it.

As far as RPN - avoid eBay but still available in UK... for now
 
Yeah, I personally would never buy off eBay. I bought a couple bottles from a UK retailer. Good to know they're probably legit.
 
Rpn Havoc was recently discontinued in the uk as well. bb333 you'll need a serm for pct. i also recommend taurine for back pumps and increasing fish oil dosages for joints
 
bb333 said:
Your experience with Havoc?
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L'epistane è un anabolizzante molto potente, se è vero epistane è anche più potente del winstrol, ma ti consiglio di prendere gli iniettabili direttamente. Con gli orali ti rovini il fegato alla lunga, non ne vale la pena.
 
What about ebay UK? I've noticed several of the other online stores are out.

Thanks.
 
I wouldn't buy anything like that from eBay, you don't know what your getting. Besides, if your using uk there's a few online stores that sell it, legit places
 
I just spoke to a retailer in the U.K., it's been discontinued for good :/ I got one of the last bottles so I can only run for 4 weeks when I start my cut in January instead of 6, hopefully I'll get what I need from it! I'm running some other compounds too so hopefully not a wasted!
 
Which retailer did you speak to if you don't mind me asking, just initials will do, I'm not sourcing
 
bb333 said:
Your experience with Havoc?
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Not my first choice, and don't put too much stock in the acclaimed anti-estrogen properties as you will need to run an AI with it. Epistane/Havoc has to be run at least in the 20-40 mg range for a first fun. This is usually enough if your receptors are not desensitized to it. Add in an AI and it is likely you will have some unpleasant joint pain.
Personally, I would ditch all that and look for some Dymethazine (DMZ) instead which is still available in the US. More importantly, it is likely that you will get much more out of it and probably feel much better during your run as well!
 
Ah yeah, that's a shame man, the other place p.m have dropped all there sarms and ph, however it's the 2nd time they've done it this year. Hopefully they'll bring them back soon, got a bottle of havoc from them last month to add To my stash..
 
"my stash" hahaha...

I think we should do another thread where people post pictures of their "stash." Always got a kick out of seeing what people were hoarding.
 
kck said:
"my stash" hahaha...

I think we should do another thread where people post pictures of their "stash." Always got a kick out of seeing what people were hoarding.
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Haha I've got all kinds of gear, you never know when they decide to pull the plug and we're left with nothing!
 
Ricky10 said:
Not my first choice, and don't put too much stock in the acclaimed anti-estrogen properties as you will need to run an AI with it. Epistane/Havoc has to be run at least in the 20-40 mg range for a first fun. This is usually enough if your receptors are not desensitized to it. Add in an AI and it is likely you will have some unpleasant joint pain.
Personally, I would ditch all that and look for some Dymethazine (DMZ) instead which is still available in the US. More importantly, it is likely that you will get much more out of it and probably feel much better during your run as well!
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An ai with epistane is stupid...your joints will kill you lmfao, but having one on hand is smart
 
Epistane run solo without some kind of estrogen control has many reports of gyno issues, especially in those that are prone to it. So I am simply stating that a first time user should not run Epistane thinking that I don't have to worry about gyno because of the claims that Epistane already has anti-estrogen properties and was originally believed to have the ability to reverse gyno. Yes, it does tend to cause joint pain, with or without the addition of an added product for estrogen control, believe I said that. FYI: I have run Epistane 3 times so I speak from experience.
 
Sounds like you've got the crap clone that converts to plex man! An ai with epistane you are the first person I've heard say that! EVER! As for stashs, I have 1 or 2 bottles of all fusions nano products just because they're all been discontinued! Nice couple of years worth of runs haha
 
I suppose anything is possible as I never had it tested. This was all original Havoc before the ban. Truth be told I did develop a gyno lump myself during one run, and I am not even prone to gyno. Went away after running Torem thank god.

I am not he only one to report this issue..legit Havoc or not..who knows? Bottom line, he should be aware.
 
Juicedeez utz said:
Sounds like you've got the crap clone that converts to plex man! An ai with epistane you are the first person I've heard say that! EVER! As for stashs, I have 1 or 2 bottles of all fusions nano products just because they're all been discontinued! Nice couple of years worth of runs haha
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I might grab a couple of bottles of all the fusion gear before it's all gone, there's a couple of guys on here now running nanodrol, and I just missed the "buy one get 2nd half price" offer. Hope they do it again
 
Ricky10 you stated that people should run an aromatize inhibitor with epistane. I can understand running a serm with it though if that is what you meant
 
solidsnake said:
I might grab a couple of bottles of all the fusion gear before it's all gone, there's a couple of guys on here now running nanodrol, and I just missed the "buy one get 2nd half price" offer. Hope they do it again
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I'm running it soon, I was lucky to buy it before the sale ended
 
Juicedeez utz said:
Sounds like you've got the crap clone that converts to plex man! An ai with epistane you are the first person I've heard say that! EVER! As for stashs, I have 1 or 2 bottles of all fusions nano products just because they're all been discontinued! Nice couple of years worth of runs haha
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Do you have nanodrol? I bought two of them haha
 
Is the Fusion stuff legit? I got my eyes on some Liquitren. What do you guys think? It's a bit pricey.
 
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