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Nice of you to join in just to make this post. Good first post.

good sleep
Seeing as EQ is often said to increase anxiety I am having a hard time believing this. Also, no anabolic improves sleep as they all up regulate the adrenergic system. And I'm not talking about a TRT type of situation but about cycle dosages.
 
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Some misinformation in this thread. First off EQ does convert into an estrogen. For guys like me with hyper sensitivity to aromatization I can run EQ solo at very high doses and get no low estrogen sides.

At worst my estrogen is a bit below average from purely a feeling standpoint which can be easily rectified with oral/injectable estradiol or DHEA

No E2 =/= no estrogen, there are different types of estrogens such as methylestrogen and E1 to name a few, just like there are different types of steroids.

So what is EQ actually converting into, we really don’t know. The research isn’t there yet unfortunately. It seems to be detected as E1 from bloodwork but with a sensitive test that disappears too.

I will say this. It’s anabolic potential is extremely underrated. When estrogen is on point, and you are patient with the drug saturation, you will see insane hunger, good sleep, and steady anabolism, and next to ZERO hair loss. It works really good with something to promote strength, such as anavar, s4, even plain old test.
I hear you but In some I think it also some how has an AI effect. I have no real evidence just anecdotal. There's another forum where a guy goes really in depth about it. But yes I think it does convert to estrogen yet still some how can be almost an anti E bizarre.
 
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I hear you but In some I think it also some how has an AI effect. I have no real evidence just anecdotal. There's another forum where a guy goes really in depth about it. But yes I think it does convert to estrogen yet still some how can be almost an anti E bizarre.
yeah this is the case. It converts (don’t think anyone has said different on this thread so don’t get the guys post) but has a binding effect (which isn’t fully understood) that gives an anti estrogen effect. For some guys it can reduce estrogen enough to prevent needing an ai.

the guy you were responding to seemed to contradict his own post by saying that he is hyper sensitive to aromatisation but that he (he does say at worst) has had below average e from very high doses of eq.

so hardly a shocker if someone who isn’t hyper sensitive to aromatisation could end up with lower than ideal e 😂

but alongside test it is supposed to be a great builder
 
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yeah this is the case. It converts (don’t think anyone has said different on this thread so don’t get the guys post) but has a binding effect (which isn’t fully understood) that gives an anti estrogen effect. For some guys it can reduce estrogen enough to prevent needing an ai.

the guy you were responding to seemed to contradict his own post by saying that he is hyper sensitive to aromatisation but that he (he does say at worst) has had below average e from very high doses of eq.

so hardly a shocker if someone who isn’t hyper sensitive to aromatisation could end up with lower than ideal e 😂

but alongside test it is supposed to be a great builder
I've used it once, can't remember exact dose...maybe 600mg and I used it with TRT test. This was before I knew about its anti E effect. I had crazy insomnia , maybe because it bascially crashed E2. Trt test was not enough estrogen with that much EQ. I had to drop the EQ and I was able to sleep again. It was crazy insomnia. So I won't use again.
 

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Nice of you to join in just to make this post. Good first post.



Seeing as EQ is often said to increase anxiety I am having a hard time believing this. Also, no anabolic improves sleep as they all up regulate the adrenergic system. And I'm not talking about a TRT type of situation but about cycle dosages.
Thank you bro

and different steroids affect the adrenergic system in different ways, for example tren anecdotally always gives me more sympathetic drive mg for mg then EQ or s4.
The hunger issue may be due to upregulated IGF 1. Again this is all anecdotal. I find EQ to not put me in sympathetic drive compared to strong androgens. When people say they “feel” something it’s usually that.


yeah this is the case. It converts (don’t think anyone has said different on this thread so don’t get the guys post) but has a binding effect (which isn’t fully understood) that gives an anti estrogen effect. For some guys it can reduce estrogen enough to prevent needing an ai.

the guy you were responding to seemed to contradict his own post by saying that he is hyper sensitive to aromatisation but that he (he does say at worst) has had below average e from very high doses of eq.

so hardly a shocker if someone who isn’t hyper sensitive to aromatisation could end up with lower than ideal e 😂

but alongside test it is supposed to be a great builder
you’re not understanding what I’m saying. boldenone converts into a different estrogen all together. That estrogen can bind to the estrogen receptor just like E2/Estradiol can. Sensitive estrogen tests don’t detect it. At best, it gets mistaken as Estrone by less specific tests. Why? We don’t know. It clearly isn’t a strong estrogen but if someone has hyper aromatization issues they could run it and not get deathly low estrogen sides.

running it with low dose tren or deca upregulates the estrogen receptor via progesterone receptor activation and you would suddenly get a surge of estrogenic activity. This is my anecdotal experience. Neither tren nor deca can cause that to happen without boldenone producing an estrogenic (again, weak) metabolite on its own.
 
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Not sure how I’m not getting what you are saying bro, as we are basically saying the same thing....

- EQ coverts to estrogen but via an unknown mechanism has somewhat of an anti estrogen effect

- therefore people who are hyper sensitive to aromatise can run high doses and not have estrogen side effects

- someone who isn’t hyper sensitive could either reduce/remove ai use or could end up with lower than ideal estrogen levels.

not sure there’s a disagreement. Your putting forward a reason why this might be the case in terms of the conversion to a different type of estrogen but as we both said, what actually happens is unknown,
 

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So question for you guys.... I ran over a year ago for maybe 6 weeks and the pandemic started so I stopped. My estrogen was insane at like 50,000 like a 9 month preggo Chick. Is it possible it was from the eq? I had zero high E symptoms. Then 10 months later it's still super high at like 1,800,but again no high E symptoms.
 
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So question for you guys.... I ran over a year ago for maybe 6 weeks and the pandemic started so I stopped. My estrogen was insane at like 50,000 like a 9 month preggo Chick. Is it possible it was from the eq? I had zero high E symptoms. Then 10 months later it's still super high at like 1,800,but again no high E symptoms.
what was the units in that measurement mate?
 
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So question for you guys.... I ran over a year ago for maybe 6 weeks and the pandemic started so I stopped. My estrogen was insane at like 50,000 like a 9 month preggo Chick. Is it possible it was from the eq? I had zero high E symptoms. Then 10 months later it's still super high at like 1,800,but again no high E symptoms.
What was the range on that test?

Has a Dr seen those results?
If so, what was his response?
 

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Just Re checked... It was estrogens, total... First test was 24,000 pg/ml... Then 8 months later 1,800 pg/ml. That was 2 months ago about.

My doc knows I experiment with tons of drugs, but the nurse called and said it was very high and to watch what I ate lol. I've been juicing for almost 10yrs and never had extremely high E ever and that was only 6 weeks of test and eq and normal 500mgs/600mgs weekly.

I'll assume it's lower now, but just started eq again and raised the test. I think if those E numbers were correct I'd be seeing some noticable issues and my doctor would be a bit more worried. Altho, I'm no expert.
 
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Just Re checked... It was estrogens, total... First test was 24,000 pg/ml... Then 8 months later 1,800 pg/ml. That was 2 months ago about.

My doc knows I experiment with tons of drugs, but the nurse called and said it was very high and to watch what I ate lol. I've been juicing for almost 10yrs and never had extremely high E ever and that was only 6 weeks of test and eq and normal 500mgs/600mgs weekly.

I'll assume it's lower now, but just started eq again and raised the test. I think if those E numbers were correct I'd be seeing some noticable issues and my doctor would be a bit more worried. Altho, I'm no expert.
im not sure those numbers are possible bro? At 120 type levels studies have shown increasing blood clot risk etc

unless you were the bird on total recall I would really question that result.....(or unit of measurement)
 

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I know I'm gonna get bloods done again in a month or two, should I ask for a more specific estrogen test? Or just have them do the same "estrogen, totals"?
 
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I know I'm gonna get bloods done again in a month or two, should I ask for a more specific estrogen test? Or just have them do the same "estrogen, totals"?
I'm kinda at a loss here.

It seems odd to me that a Dr and Nurse would see those numbers (and at least one Tell you they're Very high), and then just let it drop.

IMO, their response should've been one of two things:

1. "Yeah, the test is obviously off for some reason."

Or....

2. "Oh my Gosh!!! We need to get this figured out right now!!!"
 
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I know I'm gonna get bloods done again in a month or two, should I ask for a more specific estrogen test? Or just have them do the same "estrogen, totals"?

Sorry...

But yes, that's a good idea, IMO.

... I still don't understand, though...
 
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I'm kinda at a loss here.

It seems odd to me that a Dr and Nurse would see those numbers (and at least one Tell you they're Very high), and then just let it drop.

IMO, their response should've been one of two things:

1. "Yeah, the test is obviously off for some reason."

Or....

2. "Oh my Gosh!!! We need to get this figured out right now!!!"
I’m in this camp. I’d just say to them that the previous tests don’t seem possible and could they explain why they aren’t more concerned
 

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EQ converts to Estrone and will show up on less sensitive tests as high Estrogen. Last time I ran EQ (running 600mg/week) my Endo asked me wtf I was doing. Estrone was like 1200 and actual E2 was crashed to 6. I told him it was EQ and stopped immediately. This is b/c EQ concerts to a different type of Estrogen. More Plates More Dates has a great video on this on YouTube.
 
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EQ converts to Estrone and will show up on less sensitive tests as high Estrogen. Last time I ran EQ (running 600mg/week) my Endo asked me wtf I was doing. Estrone was like 1200 and actual E2 was crashed to 6. I told him it was EQ and stopped immediately. This is b/c EQ concerts to a different type of Estrogen. More Plates More Dates has a great video on this on YouTube.
which video bro. I listen to most of the MPMD podcasts and haven’t heard the specific around what it does convert to (just that it can cause a decrease in E2)

Tbf I hadn’t clocked that the reading given was estrogens total as I always get e2 specifically on my tests
 

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I honestly don't remember the convo, but I kept saying it must be a mistake. I saw MPMD mention that too and was like oh 💩, that could explain, so I asked here. I can def call and ask to get my E2 checked as opposed to estrogen totals as it may be artificially skyrocketed. It obvi went down a lot from 24,000 to 1,800. I saw pregnant women habe 20,000 plus and was just like wtf.
 

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Another question for Eq users, what would be the oral of choice to finish a Eq cycle? We talked about that Anadrol potentially could raise blood counts too much (otherwise that would be the obvious choice for extra strength gains) but what else, Tbol?
 

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Another question for Eq users, what would be the oral of choice to finish a Eq cycle? We talked about that Anadrol potentially could raise blood counts too much (otherwise that would be the obvious choice for extra strength gains) but what else, Tbol?
I’m using var to finish it right now. I guess it would be goal dependent
 
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Another question for Eq users, what would be the oral of choice to finish a Eq cycle? We talked about that Anadrol potentially could raise blood counts too much (otherwise that would be the obvious choice for extra strength gains) but what else, Tbol?
How transient can the strength gains be? Like are you peaking for a strength contest or just generally trying to get stronger? Because things that are protein expressive like Var will produce the most “keepable” quality strength gain, while things that promote the largest leverage-based gains like Anadrol, Mtren, M1T would be least keepable (but more powerful at peak). Sdrol falls in more with the latter, but does still avoid the rbc issues of Anadrol.
 

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How transient can the strength gains be? Like are you peaking for a strength contest or just generally trying to get stronger? Because things that are protein expressive like Var will produce the most “keepable” quality strength gain, while things that promote the largest leverage-based gains like Anadrol, Mtren, M1T would be least keepable (but more powerful at peak). Sdrol falls in more with the latter, but does still avoid the rbc issues of Anadrol.
Anavar sounds like something that would be great for me but for some reason I respond poorly to it. How would Dbol or Tbol work?
 
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Anavar sounds like something that would be great for me but for some reason I respond poorly to it. How would Dbol or Tbol work?
They’re both in the test derivative family like eq and test, so not as synergistic compared to using something like Msten, M1A, DMZ, Triumph etc that are DHT derivatives (using more test derivatives is kinda just pushing more mg from the same lane). But they tend to be well-tolerated and less toxic than what I just mentioned, and if you really like them they’re obviously great orals.

It always comes down to what you have access to, what you need it to do, and what you like/personal response. I can tell you that Msten may build more lean mass than Dbol in this scenario, but if you already have Dbol, love it, and can’t tolerate Msten well or for as long, your choice remains pretty clear.

You still never said what the specific goal of the oral or cycle is so it’s hard not to generalize.
 

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They’re both in the test derivative family like eq and test, so not as synergistic compared to using something like Msten, M1A, DMZ, Triumph etc that are DHT derivatives (using more test derivatives is kinda just pushing more mg from the same lane). But they tend to be well-tolerated and less toxic than what I just mentioned, and if you really like them they’re obviously great orals.

It always comes down to what you have access to, what you need it to do, and what you like/personal response. I can tell you that Msten may build more lean mass than Dbol in this scenario, but if you already have Dbol, love it, and can’t tolerate Msten well or for as long, your choice remains pretty clear.

You still never said what the specific goal of the oral or cycle is so it’s hard not to generalize.
Strength is the goal, nothing else matters. I already have Test/Mast/Eq so Anadrol would probably be the most fitting drug to add. I guess I can do Deca but not sure I want to use that and Tren is tempting but not really what I want to use, ever. Maybe donate some blood before I start the Anadrol and only use it for the last 4 weeks I should be good? Btw donate on cycle is ok to do right?
 
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Strength is the goal, nothing else matters. I already have Test/Mast/Eq so Anadrol would probably be the most fitting drug to add. I guess I can do Deca but not sure I want to use that and Tren is tempting but not really what I want to use, ever. Maybe donate some blood before I start the Anadrol and only use it for the last 4 weeks I should be good? Btw donate on cycle is ok to do right?
I can’t tell you if it will be fine; only your bloodwork can tell you your values are in an acceptable range to you, BUT I can say definitively you know you will be in the best situation possible to run the Adrol by doing that.

You can’t *legally* donate blood if you have ever illegally used AAS, or at least I’ve seen that in the paperwork before. But from a safety perspective, yes one pint of blood full of hormones will be safe (and probably more beneficial) for someone needing blood. It only promotes healing and isn’t in concentrations that can remotely masculinize a child/woman or cause hormonal disruption.
 

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I can’t tell you if it will be fine; only your bloodwork can tell you your values are in an acceptable range to you, BUT I can say definitively you know you will be in the best situation possible to run the Adrol by doing that.

You can’t *legally* donate blood if you have ever illegally used AAS, or at least I’ve seen that in the paperwork before. But from a safety perspective, yes one pint of blood full of hormones will be safe (and probably more beneficial) for someone needing blood. It only promotes healing and isn’t in concentrations that can remotely masculinize a child/woman or cause hormonal disruption.
I’ll wait with the Anadrol, it is on my “to do list” but I have some other left over stuff that I might finish with instead, so a Anavar/Winny/Sdrol mix, that should be fun ;)
 

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