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smith_69

smith_69

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Evening everyone

Vein has a great lineup coming out this year and maybe there is something we missed . You like the profile on a product but wish it had more of something(s) specific or want to see something different, please let us know.
justhere4comm
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blueline438
VeinNutrition
 
I see that in the preworkout you guys use dmaa(aka1,3dim) but decided to use 1,4dimethylamylamine instead of the 1,3 varient in the fat burner. I'm curious as to why? And also what the difference in the stim experience would there be. Especially since this is the only time I've seen any supplements use the 1,4 variant
 
rtmilburn said:
I see that in the preworkout you guys use dmaa(aka1,3dim) but decided to use 1,4dimethylamylamine instead of the 1,3 varient in the fat burner. I'm curious as to why? And also what the difference in the stim experience would there be. Especially since this is the only time I've seen any supplements use the 1,4 variant
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believe this would be for the release of 1,4 - lasting longer vs 1,3 used faster by the body and allowing you to be more active during the day.
VeinNutrition can probably give more of a scientific answer and answer the difference in the stim experience. I havent used it yet
 
rtmilburn said:
I see that in the preworkout you guys use dmaa(aka1,3dim) but decided to use 1,4dimethylamylamine instead of the 1,3 varient in the fat burner. I'm curious as to why? And also what the difference in the stim experience would there be. Especially since this is the only time I've seen any supplements use the 1,4 variant
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Great question, there's actually very little scientific research on 1,3 versus 1,4 right now but from our experience and manufactures the 1,4 is a cleaner "hit" meaning some people feel that 1,3 kicks in too strong too quick so 1,4 has a cleaner hit and last a little longer. Not as subtle as DMHA but not as harsh as 1,3.
 
smith_69 said:
believe this would be for the release of 1,4 - lasting longer vs 1,3 used faster by the body and allowing you to be more active during the day.
VeinNutrition can probably give more of a scientific answer and answer the difference in the stim experience. I havent used it yet
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I think this might be the strongest stim based product I've every seen but I love it think the dose are smart high on some low on other with medium low caffeine with high 1,4dimethylamylamine and medium high dmha. I think this would be very synergistic and eliminate alot of negatives of mixing this or using high doses with other goodies. I bet the euphoria would hit like a bag of dicks without as much negatives from stim products like this
 
VeinNutrition said:
Great question, there's actually very little scientific research on 1,3 versus 1,4 right now but from our experience and manufactures the 1,4 is a cleaner "hit" meaning some people feel that 1,3 kicks in too strong too quick so 1,4 has a cleaner hit and last a little longer. Not as subtle as DMHA but not as harsh as 1,3.
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Thanks I'm actually quite curious now about this! Any chance I could get a sample? Like a baggy with a pill or 2
 
rtmilburn said:
Thanks I'm actually quite curious now about this! Any chance I could get a sample? Like a baggy with a pill or 2
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We don't have official sample packets yet but if you can excuse the unprofessional look of a few in a zip lock bag we can definitely send you some.
 
VeinNutrition said:
We don't have official sample packets yet but if you can excuse the unprofessional look of a few in a zip lock bag we can definitely send you some.
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No problem by me!!!! I'll write a review in here and where ever else you want me to for your generosity. But I will be honest if I don't like I will say so but I won't be bash it just to bash. However I highly doubt I won't like it, looks like a GREAT formula and I LOVE STIM.

Want me to PM you?
 
rtmilburn said:
No problem by me!!!! I'll write a review in here and where ever else you want me to for your generosity. But I will be honest if I don't like I will say so but I won't be bash it just to bash. However I highly doubt I won't like it, looks like a GREAT formula and I LOVE STIM.

Want me to PM you?
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We always appreciate feedback, good or bad! We want to improve if there's any changes that you want to see. Please PM me where you'd like it shipped to.
 
VeinNutrition said:
Our products are THAT hardcore ;). I kid, but we believe we do have a pretty extreme and unique formulation that's not for beginners and shouldn't be abused.
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I was thinking about sandwiches and beef jerky haha but very excited for your lineup will be getting one of your sleep aids soon!
 
I can concur with the products are hardcore. Just wait for the new stuff coming out.
 
DUbz86 said:
I was thinking about sandwiches and beef jerky haha but very excited for your lineup will be getting one of your sleep aids soon!
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The sleep aid is very different with the kavalactones(I think I miss spelled that) and the PHG(aka phenibut) the sleep most be insane deep! Excited to see the reviews on this bad boy!
blueline438 said:
I can concur with the products are hardcore. Just wait for the new stuff coming out.
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Ya they are hardcore excited to see what else they will make!
 
Kava is a cumulative herb. Repeat uses/doses before full effect.
 
smith_69 said:
believe this would be for the release of 1,4 - lasting longer vs 1,3 used faster by the body and allowing you to be more active during the day.
VeinNutrition can probably give more of a scientific answer and answer the difference in the stim experience. I havent used it yet
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you talking about Rupture ? been looking at this, you tried it yet?
 
I just wanna try them all lol, really like how aorta and rupture once I hop off the ECA might try out rupture as my pwo! Congrats to Vein for picking up some good reps roo
 
For those wondering about rupture... it's amazing. I'll post a full review on it soon. I can't believe the new pwo in works is stronger than this.
 
I was wondering if I can take 2 pills of controlled burn? I didn't notice to much with one, not to big of a surprise I have an insane tolerance(might be also the be lower caffeine dose). However if 1,4 is like 1,3 that would be a CRAZY/dangerously high dose. So my question is can I safely take 2 at once. As I don't want to take another source of caffeine as I have no caffeine pills, I don't drink coffee, and I don't drink energy drinks/soda.
 
rtmilburn said:
I was wondering if I can take 2 pills of controlled burn? I didn't notice to much with one, not to big of a surprise I have an insane tolerance(might be also the be lower caffeine dose). However if 1,4 is like 1,3 that would be a CRAZY/dangerously high dose. So my question is can I safely take 2 at once. As I don't want to take another source of caffeine as I have no caffeine pills, I don't drink coffee, and I don't drink energy drinks/soda.
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If you have the tolerance it shouldn't be a problem. Our next PWO actually has 60mg 1,4 and 60mg of 1,3 at 120mg of DMAA per serving it's a very powerful per PWO and that's why on our cart page we actually have people click and acknowledge a waiver of liability before they can proceed to checkout. We don't think DMAA is dangerous unless you have a pre-existing medical condition that is exacerbated by stims or you're not keep hydrated, etc.

You may noticed a more pronounced effect if you take it on an empty stomach and if taken consistently but everyone has a different body chemistry so you may react differently than someone else!
 
VeinNutrition said:
If you have the tolerance it shouldn't be a problem. Our next PWO actually has 60mg 1,4 and 60mg of 1,3 at 120mg of DMAA per serving it's a very powerful per PWO and that's why on our cart page we actually have people click and acknowledge a waiver of liability before they can proceed to checkout. We don't think DMAA is dangerous unless you have a pre-existing medical condition that is exacerbated by stims or you're not keep hydrated, etc.

You may noticed a more pronounced effect if you take it on an empty stomach and if taken consistently but everyone has a different body chemistry so you may react differently than someone else!
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Release date on pwo?!? Sounds amazing if you need any beta testers nudge nudge I would be glad to help
 
VeinNutrition said:
If you have the tolerance it shouldn't be a problem. Our next PWO actually has 60mg 1,4 and 60mg of 1,3 at 120mg of DMAA per serving it's a very powerful per PWO and that's why on our cart page we actually have people click and acknowledge a waiver of liability before they can proceed to checkout. We don't think DMAA is dangerous unless you have a pre-existing medical condition that is exacerbated by stims or you're not keep hydrated, etc.

You may noticed a more pronounced effect if you take it on an empty stomach and if taken consistently but everyone has a different body chemistry so you may react differently than someone else!
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Ok good to know I was taking it on an empty stomach well hydrated. Don't get me wrong I like it, it was just subtle, whereas EVERYTHING I take I don't notice anything! I'll try 2 tomorrow.

Should note me heart is great!! had an EKG, ECG, blood work and one other test(don't remember what it was) last year and the doctor said my results were spectacular. They did all this as my blood pressure is always 140ish/80ish(stims/no stims/vasodilators/depresents don't effect it either way only things that do is Viagra and nitroglycerin literally nothing else and well I guess -(-)epi did as well) he said after the test there is nothing to be concerned about and I might just require a LITTLE elevated pressure
 
DUbz86 said:
Release date on pwo?!? Sounds amazing if you need any beta testers nudge nudge I would be glad to help
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Estimated to drop in about 4 weeks in two different flavors along with our new line of labels :)

We'll definitely run a contest and/or have logging opportunities.
 
rtmilburn said:
Ok good to know I was taking it on an empty stomach well hydrated. Don't get me wrong I like it, it was just subtle, whereas EVERYTHING I take I don't notice anything! I'll try 2 tomorrow.

Should note me heart is great!! had an EKG, ECG, blood work and one other test(don't remember what it was) last year and the doctor said my results were spectacular. They did all this as my blood pressure is always 140ish/80ish(stims/no stims/vasodilators/depresents don't effect it either way only things that do is Viagra and nitroglycerin literally nothing else and well I guess -(-)epi did as well) he said after the test there is nothing to be concerned about and I might just require a LITTLE elevated pressure
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Oh another thing I forgot to mention is how big are you? Bigger guys will probably need a little more because they've got more mass and energy expenditure. But we believe it's a pretty strong product because it's very rare for you to find a product with DMHA and DMAA. You may just be very tolerant to stims and/or be a tank

That's great to hear about your health :) I think that most cases you see people hurting themselves is from abusing one or more products at the same time. Like taking 3 scoops, caffeine pills, Viagra, no sleep the night before etc.
 
VeinNutrition said:
Oh another thing I forgot to mention is how big are you? Bigger guys will probably need a little more because they've got more mass and energy expenditure. But we believe it's a pretty strong product because it's very rare for you to find a product with DMHA and DMAA. You may just be very tolerant to stims and/or be a tank

That's great to hear about your health :) I think that most cases you see people hurting themselves is from abusing one or more products at the same time. Like taking 3 scoops, caffeine pills, Viagra, no sleep the night before etc.
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Lol so true ya I'm a little bigger 207
 
Ok took 2 at 450am and I vomitted at 645. This is from a person that can consume 60mg dextroamphetamine with 300mg caffeine and have heart rate of 100 and get very little sides. I feel GREAT now but definitely have racing heart rate. I will not be taking 2 again. I'll try it with 5mg dextroamphetamine (ir) tomorrow, with one cap. I do have to say at 2 this is VERY euphoric!!!!! Unless you are VERY stim tolerant do not take 2.
 
rtmilburn said:
Ok took 2 at 450am and I vomitted at 645. This is from a person that can consume 60mg dextroamphetamine with 300mg caffeine and have heart rate of 100 and get very little sides. I feel GREAT now but definitely have racing heart rate. I will not be taking 2 again. I'll try it with 5mg dextroamphetamine (ir) tomorrow, with one cap. I do have to say at 2 this is VERY euphoric!!!!! Unless you are VERY stim tolerant do not take 2.
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Wow that escalated quickly! Did you take 2 right in the morning after you woke up without any food? I could see that hitting very hard on such an empty stomach.
 
VeinNutrition said:
Wow that escalated quickly! Did you take 2 right in the morning after you woke up without any food? I could see that hitting very hard on such an empty stomach.
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Yep! That's how took it today and yesterday (1pill yesterday) at pretty much the same time. I ate 700 am both days
 
VeinNutrition said:
Could have been why, going from 1 to 2 is basically doubling the dose and on a fasted stomach...That's going to hit very hard!
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Definitely could be especially with the alpha y can cuase vomiting on its own while fasted but doesn't do it pretty much at all when there is food in the stomach
 
rtmilburn said:
Definitely could be especially with the alpha y can cuase vomiting on its own while fasted but doesn't do it pretty much at all when there is food in the stomach
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slice or 2 of bread might help
 
Took 5mg dextroamphetamine (ir) with 1 controlled burn with food then an hour later had a monster (first energy drink in months) and I feel great little Shakey but that's to be expected but I got 2hours of sleep and have **** tons of homework and classes so this is great
 
Very euphoric and focus high energy. I'll do the same thing minus the monster and it probably will be smoother with just as much euphoria and focus and similar energy minus the extra pns sides
 
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