You've been on a gram of drugs for an entire year and also took nothing to help alongside. Best approach would be to get off of everything asap and start trt or pct. I would head to the doctor asap and get a check up and full blood panel. I would then continue on trt or pct until bloods were good. Then I would continue trt or natty for a long time so my body could be under healthy conditions for awhile.
Yea i didn't even want to touch this one either
Tinderbox..
I did that for 2 years. Not the best idea however luckily for me I didn't get too messed up. Drop the npp and get your test down to at the most 400mg. At 400 test only id make sure you're taking cholesterol support. I use lipid stabil and that stuff really does the trick. My numbers are fantastic. So yeah, get down to only 400mg test, clean up your diet and up your cardio. Do that for like 8 weeks then get bloodwork. If your bloodwork looks good then id say you can start something. Get a coach tho
What do you feel 400mg of test particularly offers that even 300 wouldn’t, in the context of maintaining muscle mass during a cruise to restore health & some androgen sensitivity? Do you think it’s likely he REALLY needs 400 just to go to the gym & keep his gains for a few months?
I mean I think the difference between 300 and 400 is like coke and Pepsi. I just chose 400 because it's an even number and it's 2cc split into 2 shots a week rather than 1.5cc lol
Absolutely..!!!
Those studies are not new and your selecting a very small portion of a much bigger complex thing. And chase has been close to this size before on a gram total. Your kinda cherry pickking the real story.
Fair enough. Just some stuff I've seen. I personally like 400mg because when I do my bloodwork at that dose everything looks good plus my appetite and energy seems ok. A couple docs even told me aside from estrogen sides most guys can tolerate up to 500mg without any serious issues. So I dunno, 400 works for me but may not for others
Ya but the point is you could cruise on 200 and everything would be the same so you wouldn't be wasting 200mg a week
Yeah you're probably right. Maybe I'll eventually ween myself down to 200
Ah see my test e is 300mg/ml - I could do 0.5ml twice a week subq or IM, or 0.33ml for 200/wk.
Chase doesn’t look twice as good for having to pin twice as much (nor would anyone). Diminishing returns. And Chase hasn’t ran that very long, and he’s already back down to ~3600mg because he’s sick of the oil volume & knows things will eventually catch up on blood work (you can’t just live at 5g and expect that to last indefinitely).
Your last sentence nailed it - everyone is different in response. Plenty of guys would be turning beet red with bad lipids staying on 500 year round as well.
Forgive me for not knowing what mcl or cll is. I have a good friend who is 59 who still blasts tons of gear. Gram of test plus tren EQ orals etc. To be honest I'm just as shocked as anyone else nothing has happened to him. He came down with AFib a couple years ago but I think it's simply because he's old lol. He got the ablation surgery thing and he doesn't have AFib anymore and he went back to blasting gear. First time he used gear was way back when he was 18 and he used to compete in the 80s and 90s. Imagine. 18 years old to friggin 60. Literally 0 health issues. Blasting gear the whole time. What a legend lol
I know a guy who's 71 and drinks every day and has been doing coke for over 40 years and it seems like there's nothing wrong with him.
Yes, I think it's important to keep in mind that for everyone 1 person who is as lucky as them there are a ton of people who are not. So, if you want to play the odds, then you should not follow in their footsteps.
You also have no idea if you are the exception to the rule until you find out you are not. Just like the guy smoking two packs a day at 90, for each of them there are millions who developed lung cancer and COPD in their 30's. Conversely imagine how long some of these very abusers could have lived sans the abuse, for all we know the human who COULD HAVE lived the longest only made it to 96 due to a lifetime of abuse, their right to choose IMO ALWAYS of course.
Ok, but what were you blasting? Were you using alcohol/rec drugs?
I was blasting multiple different compounds. The methylated orals are what did it to my liver. Test winny and tren. From the tren and winny alone that did a number. I drank at the time but when I went to do blood work and see the doctor about it he explained to me it was mostly the orals and of course the tren. Sure, did alcohol or drugs that I did in my 20’s help, absolutely not. But the gear was the final blow. Just stating that long blasts aren’t good for anyone. Our bodies can only take so much, and when we are younger we can bounce back but everyone’s different. We can use support supps to help and mitigate symptoms but at the end of the day it’s still causing issues. Now when I blast I go for 16 weeks max, I have glutathione and an animal pak multi that covers a lot of the organ support I need. Ipamorelin and bpc 157 for recovery, and I’m good to go. Wait about 6 months and then blast again provided bloods are good to go
How do you run your glutathione
I used to use injectable 200 2x a week. Now I use glutathione nasal spray at 200 a week.
Is the nasal spray as effective as the injections?
Was wondering the same. He halved the dose, where I'd expect to need an increase. Very interesting!
I halved it to make it last longer, I would have kept it the same dose if I had more at the time
I’m sure the injections are better but it was a matter of price for me.
FYI BPC is not something that should be run basally/preventatively. It speeds healing, but it can’t prevent most injuries. By all means if you have a niggle, use some to help head off a downward spiral, but it can’t heal what’s not already healing. And it has some effects on blood thickness as well I believe, so again not something to just stay on necessarily. Not for 6 months at a time.
I don’t take it for 6 months. It’s usually for a 4-6 weeks after certain cycles. 6 months is the timeframe I wait until I blast again. Bpc is something I add if needed
That can't be good..!!
