Xtreme tren PCT
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DLM5
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I'm gonna run the same with ACL Tren Extreme at 90 mgs for 4weeks stacked with ACL TT-40 (1-AD) at 210mgs.
It will be my first cycle dude, and I have been doing research up the wazzu.
some rules I have learned from guys who are vets while lurjing on seveal diff boards..
#1. Noobs should do research to learn how to run a cycle the right way. There is SOOO much to learn. From support sups, dosages, side effects, how if your too young you can jack yourself up long term, and even most important how to do a correct PCT. If your PCT sucks your gonna suffer libido issues, and most importantly to me is you WILL not keep your gains like you will a proper PCT. Why do PH's and lose what you gain, or damage your libido, liver, or get gyno. If you research and learn the odds of probs like that go WAY down. That's why guys tell peeps you got no BIZ doing a cylce if you don't know what a SERM is or what a AI is.. they aren't dissin anyone, they are trying to save peeps from messin them selves up.
2. time on = time off
3. don't START your cycle until you have all your PCT stuff in hand, that would include a SERM or a AI for any gyno issues that might pop up mid cycle.
In closing, I can see why those rules were made up.
I'm going by those rules and I will be in good shape.
Major PROPS to whoever made the rules and ALL the guys who preach em. They have helped me get up to speed, and my cylce will kick ass.
BTW~ 37 years old
It will be my first cycle dude, and I have been doing research up the wazzu.
some rules I have learned from guys who are vets while lurjing on seveal diff boards..
#1. Noobs should do research to learn how to run a cycle the right way. There is SOOO much to learn. From support sups, dosages, side effects, how if your too young you can jack yourself up long term, and even most important how to do a correct PCT. If your PCT sucks your gonna suffer libido issues, and most importantly to me is you WILL not keep your gains like you will a proper PCT. Why do PH's and lose what you gain, or damage your libido, liver, or get gyno. If you research and learn the odds of probs like that go WAY down. That's why guys tell peeps you got no BIZ doing a cylce if you don't know what a SERM is or what a AI is.. they aren't dissin anyone, they are trying to save peeps from messin them selves up.
2. time on = time off
3. don't START your cycle until you have all your PCT stuff in hand, that would include a SERM or a AI for any gyno issues that might pop up mid cycle.
In closing, I can see why those rules were made up.
I'm going by those rules and I will be in good shape.
Major PROPS to whoever made the rules and ALL the guys who preach em. They have helped me get up to speed, and my cylce will kick ass.
BTW~ 37 years old
bigredguy
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I know this is a really old thread, but I just got a bottle of ACL Tren Xtreme from my roomate. I believe I have everything I need for a 6 week cycle at 60/60/90/90/90/90..I am going to start with AI Cycle Support, Liv.52, and Shiff Move Free(joint supp.) two weeks before I start with the tren as well as going all the way through my PCT. I have Clomid at 100/50/50/25 as well as 10 pills of 20mg Nolva just in case. What do you guys think of my schedule and what I have? I am curious if I should be running a natty test booster PCT as well like Bioforge or Reversitol alongside my PCT?
bigredguy
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thanks for the reply.. Would I really need to go with estro control product even having clomid and some nolva just in case? This its the oral tren from american cellular labs. I weigh 168 at 12% bf
Machwon1
Active member
I would do this just to be safe...
Clomid 100/50/50/25
Daa. 3g/3/3/3/3/3
Erase 0/0/2/2/3/3
Generate or hghup for 4 weeks.
(tren really doesn't give estro gyno... So nolva really wouldn't help so much. It gives prolactlin gyno which is still somewhat of a mystery to solve. Hence the b6 through cycle and pct to ward it off)
Also at 168 at 12% if your 5'8" or taller I would wait untill your at least 180lbs naturally.
Clomid 100/50/50/25
Daa. 3g/3/3/3/3/3
Erase 0/0/2/2/3/3
Generate or hghup for 4 weeks.
(tren really doesn't give estro gyno... So nolva really wouldn't help so much. It gives prolactlin gyno which is still somewhat of a mystery to solve. Hence the b6 through cycle and pct to ward it off)
Also at 168 at 12% if your 5'8" or taller I would wait untill your at least 180lbs naturally.
808rebel
Well-known member
Im planning out a similar cycle at the moment: epi for 6 weeks and tren for 4-6 (depends on how I feel). In the past I used only clomid+ natty test booster, but this time im gunna do a little more.
Clomid: 75/50/50/25 (1st 3 days @ 100)
Iforce reversitol: 4/3/3/2
Titanium: 3/2/2/1
I also have DAA and erase on hand incase I change my mind.
Clomid: 75/50/50/25 (1st 3 days @ 100)
Iforce reversitol: 4/3/3/2
Titanium: 3/2/2/1
I also have DAA and erase on hand incase I change my mind.
fueledpassion
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No. I've had this product numerous times. Need a real PCT. I've had 3 cycles w/ 19-Nor and one with a 19-Nor laced w/ Methyl Tren (speculation).
Have reversitol + cort blocker + Clomid. With emphasis on CLOMID. Take for 4 full weeks and go pay $50 to get a blood test done to make sure your T levels are normal again. Normal should be 400+ on total Test serum.
fueledpassion
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ACL's Tren-Extreme is MUCH stronger than it's clones. I strongly believe based upon what the FDA found and my personal results from the compound that it is truly laced with something much more potent that converts directly to Trenbolone in the system. A good speculation would be Methyl-Tren...beware -- I packed on 14lbs in 10 days...12 of them being solid and kept ever since. (2 years ago)
Take:
Cycle Support by CEL
Additional Hawthorne Berry (1.5g/day)
Pre-load Liv52 and take throughout cycle
Vitamin B6 for prolactin control
PCT:
Clomid Clomid Clomid
A Natty T-Booster
Cort Control (I prefer Clenbuterol since it burns fat too)
Other PCT's that work are the HCGenerate & Primordial Performance's PCT stack or whatever it's called. It worked well for me but Clomid really is a must.
I REALIZE THIS IS AN OLD THREAD BUT I'M PLACING ADDITIONAL VALID INFO IN FOR FUTURE RESEARCHERS!
fueledpassion
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Please look at my other posts!
MBracewell01
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Clomid is gonna be a MUST... I just finished a 5 week stack of Mass Xtreme with Tren Xtreme... Was actually planning to run it for 8 weeks but around week 4 started getting puffy nipples and a slight discharge... run p-5-p while on cycle to help with the prolactin which is just about guaranteed with 19-nor tren prodcts. Your HPTA function is gonna sht down HARD... I've run some pretty long cycles of halodrol and superdrol products in the past and my own test production would kick back on pretty quick... I'm a month into PCT and still feeling the testicular shutdown from the tren.... Libido completly dissapeared while on tren and I'm still having issues... Tren will get you jacked but just be aware of the side effects!
bigredguy
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Thanks for all the good info..what would be a good natural test booster that worked for you? I'm reading mixed opinions on the clen during pct
bigredguy
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Wont the B6 prevent the puffy nips? What did your pct look like?
bigredguy
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is daa going to be my best best to get my test levels back to normal? Btw I'm 5'7
MBracewell01
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My PCT was Clomid 75/50/50/25 with pink magic and handfulls of tribulus... Just make sure you dont run a natural test booster with a Aromatose Inhibitor(AI) in it like 6 bromo... The P-5-p is supposed to HELP prevent gyno while on a tren cycle.... but not guaranteed!
808rebel
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Is this really true? I've heard it only once before. And the person that I heard it from didn't elaborate so I didn't think much of it.
gymrat827
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clomid 75/50/50/25
HCGenerate
forma stanzol 5/5
Tren is not a good first choice, you have a lot of reading to do and should really run something else first. If you end up running it take p5p, vitex on cycle. The forma should control the sides. Take lots of fish oil and joint support, cycle support.
HCGenerate
forma stanzol 5/5
Tren is not a good first choice, you have a lot of reading to do and should really run something else first. If you end up running it take p5p, vitex on cycle. The forma should control the sides. Take lots of fish oil and joint support, cycle support.
bigredguy
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So what would be a test booster that you would recommend? I have heard lots of good things about Reversitol..and instead of the p-5-p what if I took vitamin b6 instead? everyone says they lose their libido..but won't that come back with my pct with clomid and a test booster?
bigredguy
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I have for two weeks! Have you ran ACL Tren before? Is there anything else besides forma that you would recommend?
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MBracewell01
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P-5-P is a form of B6.... High doses of just straight vitamin B6 can cause nerve damage so you need to run the P-5-P form of it. Libido will come back... eventually. Everyone is different so its hard to call on "when". I recomend Pink Magic by USP labs for a natty test booster.... I've used it in the past and thought it worked well.
fueledpassion
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Your protocol is fine. As long as you have Clomid + reputable test booster. Those are the most essential. Other things to consider are the cort control, etc.
bigredguy
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so what would be a reputable test booster? One with an AI or one without? And what should my dosagesfor PCT support supps look like along with my clomid?
What else should I be taking along with a natty test booster to help my libido bounce back? It seems like HCGenerate is a good product for what I'm looking for to stack with test booster but its pricey..
What else should I be taking along with a natty test booster to help my libido bounce back? It seems like HCGenerate is a good product for what I'm looking for to stack with test booster but its pricey..
mattrag
Legend
If your PCT includes an AI i wouldn't add it in. Though you would have to get estrogen clearance somehow. Sustain Alpha by PP seems to be a good all around PCT estrogen control agent, though it is quite pricey. DAA is good too. I have had MEAN success with DAA.
mattrag
Legend
If you've never used DAA b4 I would suggest taking the "preloading" approach. About 5 days b4 you end your cycle start dosing it at 3g a day. Then take it 3g ED for your whole PCT. Then after that i'd either take the 1.5g/day or 5on/2off for another 4 weeks just in case for maximum test recovery. I have never used HCGenerate but I know you can stack DAA with other OTC test boosters as it stimulates the testes to produce more LH directly. I currently stack it with a Fenugreek product.
mattrag
Legend
This guy has a SERM lined up. What else did you have in mind?
fueledpassion
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I'm sure he just didn't take the time to read over the previous posts..
I agree with SERM + AI is enough BUT if you wanted to throw in DAA I would feel super comfortable telling you that everything would be fine at that point. I will have some very hard evidence for effective SERM + AI protocol here in a few short weeks. Should be helpful in getting people to have confidence in their PCT...
mattrag
Legend
I was thinking that it would be suffice, but I'm no endocrinologist.
bigredguy
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So a good PCT for this cycle would be: clomid, DAA, and an AI? The clomid will help bring my test levels back to normal, the DAA will help libido and free form test, the AI will be a Estrogen blocker...what about cort control? and is there any testicular atrophy that i will need to be worried about and getting the family back to normal?