Xtend vs. ICE
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Newb017
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....not only would you save some money, you'll get a 1000 grams of bcaa and 100 grams of cit. malate, as opposed to 630 grams of bcaa and 90 of cit. malate, and in my experience neither taste bad at all...i drink both in water and they taste perfectly fine
i guess some people just enjoy paying more, to each his own
i guess some people just enjoy paying more, to each his own
Beowulf
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I sip on BCAA and CM during training mixed with crystal light. You will save a ton of money and it does not taste bad at all. Go with a lemonade or their orange flavor. I tried raspberry and it wasn't very good.
My pre-workout blend is a totally different story. Their is no masking BCAA, CM, ALCAR, Taurine, Tyrosine, Betaine, and Choline. Lets just say this formula has some "texture" when you drink it. But it gets me busting ass in the gym on 1200cal/day (UD2.0 depletion days), so I'm fine with it.
Make sure you throw in some B6 to aid in the utilization of the BCAAs. Your best bet is probably to buy Twinlab caps and just open them into the powder.
BTW: Extend does underdose CM. I think you are supposed to get about 6g for it to be effective. Bulk powders are so cheap that I always overestimate.
My pre-workout blend is a totally different story. Their is no masking BCAA, CM, ALCAR, Taurine, Tyrosine, Betaine, and Choline. Lets just say this formula has some "texture" when you drink it. But it gets me busting ass in the gym on 1200cal/day (UD2.0 depletion days), so I'm fine with it.
Make sure you throw in some B6 to aid in the utilization of the BCAAs. Your best bet is probably to buy Twinlab caps and just open them into the powder.
BTW: Extend does underdose CM. I think you are supposed to get about 6g for it to be effective. Bulk powders are so cheap that I always overestimate.
max silver
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I've tried both, and find mixability with both is less than great, as bcaa powder tends to float on the top of the mixture at first, and then settle out at the bottom. I actually prefer the fruit punch flavour of ICE over that of Grape Xtend, but find that the grape flavouring of Xtend is preferable to grape ICE. I don't think you can really go wrong with either product though.
I tried Bodyoctane awhile ago, and didn't really feel that Citrulline Malate gave me much in the way of noticable benefits, so in this case the extra cost for a low dose of Citrulline probably isn't warranted.
I tried Bodyoctane awhile ago, and didn't really feel that Citrulline Malate gave me much in the way of noticable benefits, so in this case the extra cost for a low dose of Citrulline probably isn't warranted.
donk
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I have tried both and have noticed no difference between the 2. So I say save the cash and go with Ice.
Personally when my xtend is gone I will be ordering the kilo of BCAA since they say oral glutamine doesn't do ****. Protein Customizer is back and they sell the BSL favorling systems. I dunno how they taste or how much you need though. Anyone try em?
Personally when my xtend is gone I will be ordering the kilo of BCAA since they say oral glutamine doesn't do ****. Protein Customizer is back and they sell the BSL favorling systems. I dunno how they taste or how much you need though. Anyone try em?
Beowulf
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I just go with bulk CM. It is hard to say exactly what is working, but I have had incredible endurance and recovery doing my depletion workouts and cardio during my UD 2.0 cycles. During the workout, I only take in BCAA and CM. I have a feeling the CM is working, but I didn't notice anything until a few weeks of taking it. Bodyoctane is way too expensive and extend is underdosed. By the bulk and shoot for 3-4g pre and during your workouts.max silver said:
Newb017
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Layne, Derek, and a bunch of other randoms, including myself, are megadosing Xtend/ICE/BCAA powder over intthe supplement section of bb.com, i know there's a lot of crap to weed through over there, but it could be interesting, there's already been quite a bit of info posted on leucine's anabolic properties, and Layne has already reported what he claims as amazing gains from only 2.5 weeks of megadosing, might be worth checking out if you're interested in doing this
Beast
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I am collecting the results from all those participating and can post them here if you guys would like.
I am taking 50 grams of BCAA a day and in the first week, I lost 1.25 lbs of fat and gained 3.75 lbs of lean mass (all measurements, except calves which are 18", went up). I'll have my week 2 update tomorrow.
Beowulf
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Please do, thanks bro.Derek_aka_Beast said:
BTW, I've started using apple cider vinegar and lemon juice with my high carb meals during my dcurrent bulk. It burns my throat a bit. Could the vin/lemon juice concoction have some whacky pH that could be detrimental??? I haven't studied science in a long time.
Beowulf
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Thanks, Beast.
I'm looking forward to this info on the BCAA mega-dosing. I thought I read somewhere before that high dose BCAA was detrimental. Was this Layne's idea? As if he has a f$^#ing clue about amino acid utilization. It's not as if he were doing a PhD specializing in it or something.:blink:
I'm looking forward to this info on the BCAA mega-dosing. I thought I read somewhere before that high dose BCAA was detrimental. Was this Layne's idea? As if he has a f$^#ing clue about amino acid utilization. It's not as if he were doing a PhD specializing in it or something.:blink:
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there will be shortlydonk said:
Beast
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Sadly, my testicles are back at their normal size since discontinuing Rebound XT...Beowulf said:
After 2 weeks, I'm up 5.6 pounds in lean mass and down 1.1 pounds in fat. All my measurements (muscle girth) has been increasing as well. I'm attaching my excel spreadsheets.
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Beast
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I've only used Leptigen while cutting. The first time was during my review on the Avant website. At that time, fat loss had stalled and I was losing lean mass. When I added Leptigen, I started losing fat again and gained a little lean mass. Last time I used Leptigen (BASIC) while cutting I was doing the UD2 diet. I was stack Leptigen Basic + BCAA. I lost 7.5 pounds of fat and gained 2.5 pounds of lean mass in 4 weeks.stevenki said:
I normally use BCAA around my workouts, and for this experiment adding more throughout the day. I am extrememly impressed with my results so far. I think the combo of BCAA + Citrulline Malate works very well. At my dosing, I am getting 6 grams of CM a day. When I start cutting in 3 weeks, I will probably stick with the high doses of BCAA around my workouts and cardio.
The more I read about BCAA the more impressed I get. I'll keep you guys up to date and report the other participants results when I get them.
Beast
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Since Phenogen works by "wasting" ATP and CM would make creating ATP more efficient, I can see a conflict. Spook the product's designer does not recommend the combo, but I have seen others that say it is fine. I don't think CM would be much of a concern compared to Creatine though.KCPreki11 said:
ItriedtoripoffBobosonowIamgonehaveaniceday
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Many seem to believe that most of the great results of BCAA's is the resuslt of the Leucine, what would you think of jsut mega dosing Lucine?
Beast
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The problem with just taking Leucine is you could create an amino acid imbalance. Valine and Isoleucine also have some nice properties which will enhance the overall effect.MaNiaK1027 said:
So I wouldn't "mega-dose" Leucine, but 5 extra grams pre and post workout (with a protein shake) would be beneficial.
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1Fast400 said:
Mike you are a man after my own heart! :rofl: Get some of the BSL flavoring in, I hear they are good.....and what is the culprit for the bad taste?
Newb017
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eh, tastes decent, i actually bought 12 PET 2 ounce bottles, they're like 50 cents a piece with caps, and I put a teaspoon of bcaa powder and a teaspoon of gatorade powder, definitely doable, i drink 6 a day on lifting days and the taste isn't bad at all, the texture is a little gross as the bcaa's fight for their lives to not absorb, but o well, cheap as hell to do too
ItriedtoripoffBobosonowIamgonehaveaniceday
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Hey newb, could you please explain what is PET?
x_muscle
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i think high dose of Leucine alone is enough for increased muscle synthasis (if theory is true)
i dont know if Valin have an added value it can be used as an energy source in the muscles when muscle glycogen levels is low so it could be anti-catabolic while dieting, but not anabolic.it maintainthe nitrogen balance in the body, and that maybe thats it for the muscle.
Isoleucine is necessary for hemoglobin formation and in stabilizing and regulating blood sugar and energy levels so it has small role in protein synthasis.
i dont think if you take high dose of one amino acid that will cause an imbalance. people have been taking isolated amino since years and nothing happened (arginine, glutamine, l-carnantine). i dont know if high dose BCAA is worth the money, when coasts more than my AAS cycle.
but maybe taking high dose of Leucine alone is worth the experiment. truprotein sells it for cheap. 100g for 4.8$
here is a study and descusstion about Leucine supplementation.
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i dont know if Valin have an added value it can be used as an energy source in the muscles when muscle glycogen levels is low so it could be anti-catabolic while dieting, but not anabolic.it maintainthe nitrogen balance in the body, and that maybe thats it for the muscle.
Isoleucine is necessary for hemoglobin formation and in stabilizing and regulating blood sugar and energy levels so it has small role in protein synthasis.
i dont think if you take high dose of one amino acid that will cause an imbalance. people have been taking isolated amino since years and nothing happened (arginine, glutamine, l-carnantine). i dont know if high dose BCAA is worth the money, when coasts more than my AAS cycle.
but maybe taking high dose of Leucine alone is worth the experiment. truprotein sells it for cheap. 100g for 4.8$
here is a study and descusstion about Leucine supplementation.
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MaNiaK1027 said:
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the one's I got were blue 2 ounce bottles, cant remember where i got em from but they're easy to find
PET is just a special type of plastic i think, mega cheap, won't break, being a college student makes having these things awesome, i take one at about 6am then i just bring a couple to the rec center for immediately pre workout at about 645, then have one about midworkout, then space the final 3 out throughout the day, i just dont like carrying around gallon jugs all the time, plus having it in small doses in a 1:1 ratio with gatorade powder makes it easy to take
ItriedtoripoffBobosonowIamgonehaveaniceday
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Someone (X Muscle) should do a test with just Leucine to see how it works, though if Beast feels that the other two are needed I will trust his judgement....I need to start rereading all the BCAA's studies again!
