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What is this stuff? I keep hearing about it and hear it works wonders but what exactly is it? How do you use it and what type of results from the people that have experimented with it?
I'm interested in trying this. So from what I'm reading you apply it on your skin? Is it like Epistane where you'd need a PCT after running it? What type of results did you get?One of my fav "supps" of all time. 11 ketotestosterone. (Topical)
11-ketotestosterone is a natural adrenal hormone produced in all mammals including humans. It is particularly abundant in many species of fish where it serves as the primary male hormone.
The topical application allows for a longer time release effect. 11-ketotetosterone is a potent and selective inhibitor of the cortisol producing enzyme 11b-HSD1 reductase and is effective for:
Losing body fat (particularly around the gut).
Attaining a full pumped appearance.
Increasing strength and stamina.
Preserving skeletal muscle
Really helps with vascularity and leaner appearance as well as drops a lot of water. I'd say it's like a combo of winstrol and Anavar but a much much weaker version.
You would definitely need a pct. It’s a cutting agents so expect if diet is a deficit, will aid in reducing fat.I'm interested in trying this. So from what I'm reading you apply it on your skin? Is it like Epistane where you'd need a PCT after running it? What type of results did you get?
I did a 6 week run with it and didn't need a SERM. Just took some OTC and 10 days after cessation bloodwork was right back at normal. Great results too.You would definitely need a pct. It’s a cutting agents so expect if diet is a deficit, will aid in reducing fat.
Everyone is different. We do recommend one though.I did a 6 week run with it and didn't need a SERM. Just took some OTC and 10 days after cessation bloodwork was right back at normal. Great results too.
Never used epistane personally. From what I heard it’s better for cutting. No personal experience though.How does this stuff compare to something like Epistane?
Very true. I had a SERM on hand but was curious and due for general bloodwork anyhow.Everyone is different. We do recommend one though.
That’s good. You can make a better informed call whether you need one or not.Very true. I had a SERM on hand but was curious and due for general bloodwork anyhow.
How much did/ would you recommend for ‘optimal’ results (diet and training in check)? I recall Iron legion is 85mg per ml and it isn’t cheap.One of my fav "supps" of all time. 11 ketotestosterone. (Topical)
11-ketotestosterone is a natural adrenal hormone produced in all mammals including humans. It is particularly abundant in many species of fish where it serves as the primary male hormone.
The topical application allows for a longer time release effect. 11-ketotetosterone is a potent and selective inhibitor of the cortisol producing enzyme 11b-HSD1 reductase and is effective for:
Losing body fat (particularly around the gut).
Attaining a full pumped appearance.
Increasing strength and stamina.
Preserving skeletal muscle
Really helps with vascularity and leaner appearance as well as drops a lot of water. I'd say it's like a combo of winstrol and Anavar but a much much weaker version.
epistane was really anabolic and not very androgenic. 11-keto is quite androgenic and not as anabolic.How does this stuff compare to something like Epistane?
Again, 1.5ml per day is likely plenty to get solid results.How much did/ would you recommend for ‘optimal’ results (diet and training in check)? I recall Iron legion is 85mg per ml and it isn’t cheap.
Have you used topical Androsterone? If so how would you compare the two
I agree with Rob. And I do 1.5 to 2ml a day, 430am and again around 430pm. I'm very anal with my topical usage and do it after a shower as well as pretty rough exfoliation I do in the shower to prep for the application. For my 4:30pm application if not post shower then I take the rough exfoliation gloves and wet them and scrub my whole body prior to application.epistane was really anabolic and not very androgenic. 11-keto is quite androgenic and not as anabolic.
11-keto is probably the best cutting compound available on the market these days. When it comes to 11-keto so many of the people, particularly on this forum, use doses well above what's necessary to achieve great results. Most people run XI-KT at 1.5ml daily. Some go up to 2ml...300mg is WAY above a necessary dose. Even Ultra Eleven at 200mg/application is more than enough.
Again, 1.5ml per day is likely plenty to get solid results.
Androsterone is going to offer more hardening than fat loss. It does aid in leaning, but the effects of 11-keto are going to be more pronounced due to it's impact on cortisol in target tissue (fat, muscle, etc). 11-keto is also better for building lean mass...if you're going for a recomp
What’s the sale? I don’t see it.I agree with Rob. And I do 1.5 to 2ml a day, 430am and again around 430pm. I'm very anal with my topical usage and do it after a shower as well as pretty rough exfoliation I do in the shower to prep for the application. For my 4:30pm application if not post shower then I take the rough exfoliation gloves and wet them and scrub my whole body prior to application.
I also apply body cream/lotion allover the body every other day before bed to keep skin hydrated.
Yes I'm obsessed/OCD.
Oh and I'm going to pick up another 3 bottles of Ultra 11 this evening via the Easter sale.