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Would love some experienced advice - already have stuff in hand

BamBam0319 said:
What AI do you have again?
And by epi you mean epistane, not epiandro right? Epistane is good in any type of cycle IMO. For on cycle support I would get something like Olympus Labs Arimacare Pro, I don't think HCGen will cut it. GW will definitely help in a cut, osta and GW would be a good cutting stack. Epistane could be thrown in there too.
But since you've never cycled before, I would really recommend only running one compound at a time. Osta and GW would still be okay though because GW doesn't affect your hormones.
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I have liquinolva (nolvadex, obviously) and liquiaroma (aromasin) for pct. Meaning the aroma is my AI, correct? And thanks a ton on the osta advice (everyone, really), I had seen tons of people taking that in pct and from what I'm hearing here that's a big no so they must not have known what they were saying. If anything it sounds like GW would be fine in the pct, like you said. Also, I'll look into that arimacare and likely get a bottle to add in on cycle, am I correct in that? I wish I would have known that HCGen was trash prior to buying it, but it just makes me increasingly glad I decided to ask around here prior to doing anything.

By epi I do mean epistane, you are right. Nothing serious, I had friends at the gym take it and say they experienced moderate boosts in strength and composition, which was why I thought maybe adding it to the lgd would be a good idea for about an 8 week cycle. Then I would do pct. Then possibly the osta as a cut, and follow that with gw in my pct for the cut cycle... does this sound correct? And also add in the armicare stuff you mentioned for on support?

I have been taking LGD 1ml for about 6 days. If you all think what I just said is alright maybe I'll add the epi. But at the same time maybe one at a time is alright. Either way, the osta won't be in pct anymore.
 
Chevy said:
Gw is non hormonal & can be run anytime, it doesn't need a pct. Some ppl will run gw thru their entire cycle & pct.

Like others are saying about being 1st cycle just keep it simple, just run the osta with gw or the epistane on its own, I can't comment about ldg since I've not used it.

If you run the Epi get a proper cycle support cuz sorry bro but hcgen is trash it's just a test booster.

Osta in pct is a huge No, it's suppressive, if you have heard otherwise it's from earlier studies before much was really known about it, some guys do use it as a bridge between cycles but that's not where your at for now.
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Ok, thanks a ton man. It sounds like a popular consensus is that HCGen is garbage and I need better on cycle, I will do that.

It sounds like (and I had mentioned this in my reply just now to BamBam) that maybe I should either use lgd on its own, or possibly even add in epi (with better oct) for a bulk, then do pct with the nolva and aroma. After that take a break, then assuming I wanna cut, do a GW with Osta cycle, and follow that with the same pct.

Does any of that make sense or am I still struggle bussing this stuff?
 
TheApex said:
Ok, thanks a ton man. It sounds like a popular consensus is that HCGen is garbage and I need better on cycle, I will do that.

It sounds like (and I had mentioned this in my reply just now to BamBam) that maybe I should either use lgd on its own, or possibly even add in epi (with better oct) for a bulk, then do pct with the nolva and aroma. After that take a break, then assuming I wanna cut, do a GW with Osta cycle, and follow that with the same pct.

Does any of that make sense or am I still struggle bussing this stuff?
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yes
yes
think you got it
 
Looks like your on track now bro, post up your protocol if you need further assistance with tweaking your cycle, include number of weeks & doses you will be taking, grab otc bottle to run during cycle as per BamBam0319 suggested.
 
Chevy said:
Looks like your on track now bro, post up your protocol if you need further assistance with tweaking your cycle, include number of weeks & doses you will be taking, grab otc bottle to run during cycle as per BamBam0319 suggested.
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Ok, perfect. Tomorrow I'm going to type up my exact dosage and times and see what you guys think. Thanks again for all the help, I definitely would have messed this up without all of you.
 
smith_69 said:
yes
yes
think you got it
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Ok buddy, if you don't feel like answering this no worries, but I figured I would just reply to you and maybe other would chime in. But it seems like you (and the rest in here) definitely know theyre stuff.

For the first cycle:

LGD 10mg a day (do I stay here?) for roughly 7 weeks
Add in Epistane at 20/30/30/40 for 4 weeks at week 3 to coincide with ending of LGD
Take that Olympus labs arimicare around week 4(?) for OCT
PCT:
LiquiNolva --> I do not know dosage and weeks here, could someone help out?
And LiquiAroma --> same thing. I think this is every other day, but not positive of dosage or timing (or if even necessary, might as well?)
Any extra stuff here at all? Like any basic things just in case or to help?

Then for the second cycle, how long do I wait approximately after the PCT ends before I can do the cut version?

For this I had planned:
GW-501516 20mg a day for 6 weeks
Ostarine 25mg a day for the same
Same deal here with arimicare (that hcgenerate just doesn't cut it, am I correct?)
Then follow the exact same PCT care as I did for the first, including any extra stuff you would add in.

What am I missing gentlemen?

Thanks again, appreciate all your input
 
Expect a variety of opinions regarding how long to break between cycles, for myself personally I rest 8 weeks from after pct finished before starting new cycle, if back to back methyl cycle I'll run a cheaper otc cycle support for the 8 wks between them.

If your 1St cycle will include epistane you need to start arimacare the week before Epi is introduced & run it the whole cycle and your pct. Start nolva & hcgen day 1 of pct, the hcgen is not a support supp its a test booster so you still need keep up the arimacare. Dose nolva over 4 weeks with a protocol of 20/20/10/10 mg ed. Expect different opinions here but I'd just run the Epi for 6wks at 30mg Ed since Epi kicks in good about the 2-3 weeks onwards. I'm not sure about the ldg since I've not used but if running 7 wks you would start the week before Epi along with arimacare.

You shouldn't need the liquid aromasin for your cylce but personally I start dosing it from 3Rd week of pct at 12.5mg Ed & run for 3 weeks tapering off to 12.5 e3d in final week (2Nd wk eod) this is honestly subjective tho according to your own body & how it responds, if your joints get sore your using too much since your estro too low & gains will suffer.

Cortisol control in pct is subjective also depending on your body, many ppl run with reduce xt, cortisol hormone is catabolic & can destroy your gains from cycle, it shouldnt really be an issue with Epi cycle but again depends in how volatile your hormones are, the thing to understand is by increasing your test your body tries to balance your other hormones by raising them also & will need be controlled in pct to prevent unwanted sides. Don't skimp on pct cuz your body is trying to return to normal.

Be good if other lads could chime in to get their views as more opinions is always a good thing even when different.

Edit > apologies for the novel, can expect a few tldr lol
 
TheApex said:
Ok buddy, if you don't feel like answering this no worries, but I figured I would just reply to you and maybe other would chime in. But it seems like you (and the rest in here) definitely know theyre stuff.

For the first cycle:

LGD 10mg a day (do I stay here?) for roughly 7 weeks
Add in Epistane at 20/30/30/40 for 4 weeks at week 3 to coincide with ending of LGD
Take that Olympus labs arimicare around week 4(?) for OCT
PCT:
LiquiNolva --> I do not know dosage and weeks here, could someone help out?
And LiquiAroma --> same thing. I think this is every other day, but not positive of dosage or timing (or if even necessary, might as well?)
Any extra stuff here at all? Like any basic things just in case or to help?

Then for the second cycle, how long do I wait approximately after the PCT ends before I can do the cut version?

For this I had planned:
GW-501516 20mg a day for 6 weeks
Ostarine 25mg a day for the same
Same deal here with arimicare (that hcgenerate just doesn't cut it, am I correct?)
Then follow the exact same PCT care as I did for the first, including any extra stuff you would add in.

What am I missing gentlemen?

Thanks again, appreciate all your input
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Hi,

the simple and quick answers were to get you to come up with more variations so you can get the most out of your cycle. Nothing wrong with needing help, but you know some people just start throwing compounds together and say "what do I do now?"

imho- otc pct is garbage. it has been and always will be. does it help, yes but it will never offer the same benefits as real C&N. So in that regards, we have to do what we have to do. I agree about HC- the d bag that pushes that garbage spews out the same crap about sarms. one of the biggest d bags on the internet.
moving on- LGD- I don't know what brand you have and don't need to know- this is one of the reason I always tell people to run 1 compound at a time. Why? Although each company is different, you have no idea as to the purity of the product. Unless you get a lab analysis, so please no offense, don't ramble on about xyz company or listen to anyone tell the company they use is legit. Sup companies are promoting Sarms as the greatest thing since gravity however they do not emphasize how suppressive this compound is. Why would they offer this info as this is a research product not used for human consumption. It is so amazing how Sup companies will not brush on this yet Research Sites have this claim on just about every product.

Unless you are going on stage in the next 3 months (which I doubt because you wouldn't be using this!) why not run LGD for 8 weeks? start off with a small amount for a few days and increase, wait and increase etc? max you want for LGD is 10 and the sweet spot could be even less. you should start seeing more and more results as the weeks go by. I wouldn't recommend running this for more than 12 weeks but not less than 8.

As far as the waiting game, time on = min time off. Min 4-5 weeks then start again. as others have said, everyone has an opinion about cycles and lengths etc. The one thing that we should all agree on is the suppression of the compound.

as far as not answering, i actually did!
Yes- hc is garbage,
Yes - bambam response
Think you got it- take a break

believe you have a good set up here bro- you did your homework. little tweak here and there you should be good to go.

let us know what you intend to do
 
TheApex said:
Ok buddy, if you don't feel like answering this no worries, but I figured I would just reply to you and maybe other would chime in. But it seems like you (and the rest in here) definitely know theyre stuff.

For the first cycle:

LGD 10mg a day (do I stay here?) for roughly 7 weeks
Add in Epistane at 20/30/30/40 for 4 weeks at week 3 to coincide with ending of LGD
Take that Olympus labs arimicare around week 4(?) for OCT
PCT:
LiquiNolva --> I do not know dosage and weeks here, could someone help out?
And LiquiAroma --> same thing. I think this is every other day, but not positive of dosage or timing (or if even necessary, might as well?)
Any extra stuff here at all? Like any basic things just in case or to help?

Then for the second cycle, how long do I wait approximately after the PCT ends before I can do the cut version?

For this I had planned:
GW-501516 20mg a day for 6 weeks
Ostarine 25mg a day for the same
Same deal here with arimicare (that hcgenerate just doesn't cut it, am I correct?)
Then follow the exact same PCT care as I did for the first, including any extra stuff you would add in.

What am I missing gentlemen?

Thanks again, appreciate all your input
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I have just finished a 6 week 25mg Osta cycle. When I got to the end of week 6 I sort of felt that things were starting to get interesting. A lot of people recommend doing an 8 week cycle and I am thinking that the next will be 8 weeks. Just my 2c.
 
smith_69 said:
Hi,

the simple and quick answers were to get you to come up with more variations so you can get the most out of your cycle. Nothing wrong with needing help, but you know some people just start throwing compounds together and say "what do I do now?"

imho- otc pct is garbage. it has been and always will be. does it help, yes but it will never offer the same benefits as real C&N. So in that regards, we have to do what we have to do. I agree about HC- the d bag that pushes that garbage spews out the same crap about sarms. one of the biggest d bags on the internet.
moving on- LGD- I don't know what brand you have and don't need to know- this is one of the reason I always tell people to run 1 compound at a time. Why? Although each company is different, you have no idea as to the purity of the product. Unless you get a lab analysis, so please no offense, don't ramble on about xyz company or listen to anyone tell the company they use is legit. Sup companies are promoting Sarms as the greatest thing since gravity however they do not emphasize how suppressive this compound is. Why would they offer this info as this is a research product not used for human consumption. It is so amazing how Sup companies will not brush on this yet Research Sites have this claim on just about every product.

Unless you are going on stage in the next 3 months (which I doubt because you wouldn't be using this!) why not run LGD for 8 weeks? start off with a small amount for a few days and increase, wait and increase etc? max you want for LGD is 10 and the sweet spot could be even less. you should start seeing more and more results as the weeks go by. I wouldn't recommend running this for more than 12 weeks but not less than 8.

As far as the waiting game, time on = min time off. Min 4-5 weeks then start again. as others have said, everyone has an opinion about cycles and lengths etc. The one thing that we should all agree on is the suppression of the compound.

as far as not answering, i actually did!
Yes- hc is garbage,
Yes - bambam response
Think you got it- take a break

believe you have a good set up here bro- you did your homework. little tweak here and there you should be good to go.

let us know what you intend to do
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Awesome dude, thanks for all the info. So in summation what I'm gathering is HCGen blows, go with arimicare, and use that on cycle (maybe starting half way) and use that into the PCT.

Also, I understand what you're getting at using one at a time, but out of curiosity is there negative connotations attached with using Epi with the LGD? I kind of figured from my limited research that the both have separate functions but ultimately could benefit a gain cycle. But again, I don't know much compared to you guys. And it seems it falls under the idea of not knowing what companies purities are. I believe it was sarms1 by the way.

Should I just send the Gen back then? Or would it be beneficial even at all?

Are there any vitamins or anything I should be putting in here too, or no big deal just do whatever?
 
UncleSarm said:
I have just finished a 6 week 25mg Osta cycle. When I got to the end of week 6 I sort of felt that things were starting to get interesting. A lot of people recommend doing an 8 week cycle and I am thinking that the next will be 8 weeks. Just my 2c.
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Good info man, thanks. I'll try 8 weeks for the GW Osta cycle.
 
Chevy said:
Expect a variety of opinions regarding how long to break between cycles, for myself personally I rest 8 weeks from after pct finished before starting new cycle, if back to back methyl cycle I'll run a cheaper otc cycle support for the 8 wks between them.

If your 1St cycle will include epistane you need to start arimacare the week before Epi is introduced & run it the whole cycle and your pct. Start nolva & hcgen day 1 of pct, the hcgen is not a support supp its a test booster so you still need keep up the arimacare. Dose nolva over 4 weeks with a protocol of 20/20/10/10 mg ed. Expect different opinions here but I'd just run the Epi for 6wks at 30mg Ed since Epi kicks in good about the 2-3 weeks onwards. I'm not sure about the ldg since I've not used but if running 7 wks you would start the week before Epi along with arimacare.

You shouldn't need the liquid aromasin for your cylce but personally I start dosing it from 3Rd week of pct at 12.5mg Ed & run for 3 weeks tapering off to 12.5 e3d in final week (2Nd wk eod) this is honestly subjective tho according to your own body & how it responds, if your joints get sore your using too much since your estro too low & gains will suffer.

Cortisol control in pct is subjective also depending on your body, many ppl run with reduce xt, cortisol hormone is catabolic & can destroy your gains from cycle, it shouldnt really be an issue with Epi cycle but again depends in how volatile your hormones are, the thing to understand is by increasing your test your body tries to balance your other hormones by raising them also & will need be controlled in pct to prevent unwanted sides. Don't skimp on pct cuz your body is trying to return to normal.

Be good if other lads could chime in to get their views as more opinions is always a good thing even when different.

Edit > apologies for the novel, can expect a few tldr lol
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Thanks, this was very thorough and that helps.

So my understanding is if I was to take Epi with the LGD (theres a lot contention here, possibly should just take one or the other is another opinion), then I need to take Arimicare 1 week prior, and continue you that all the way through PCT as well.

Secondly, I see your dosing schedule on Nolva, I'll do that. As far as Aromasin, let me see if I have this right... I should start the Aroma at week 3 of PCT, dosing 12.5mg every day for week one, every other day week two, and every 3rd day for week three? so technically I'd have 5 weeks of PCT including the Aroma, correct?
 
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