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Would anyone be interested in following my log?

I ran Epi at 30/45/45/45/45/45 .... didn't really see/feel anything until the middle of the 3rd week and then it hit like a lightning bolt. Seems the overall 'sweet spot' for Epi is 40mg ... for some it takes 60mg to really get the full effect ... we are all different. I ended up gaining a total of 18lbs of lean mass and lost an inch off my waist .... and started to see the hint of abs for the first time :) Currently in week 3 of PCT and have managed to keep 14lbs of the 18lbs I gained. I wish I had run Dermacrine with it to combat the lethargy that hit me around week 4.
Definitely a tried and true PH product but as you have already seen it takes a while to really kick in and start getting all the benefits ... 6 week cycle minimum with this compound. In the future I may entertain running it for an 8 week cycle.
 
TKC432 said:
I ran Epi at 30/45/45/45/45/45 .... didn't really see/feel anything until the middle of the 3rd week and then it hit like a lightning bolt. Seems the overall 'sweet spot' for Epi is 40mg ... for some it takes 60mg to really get the full effect ... we are all different. I ended up gaining a total of 18lbs of lean mass and lost an inch off my waist .... and started to see the hint of abs for the first time :) Currently in week 3 of PCT and have managed to keep 14lbs of the 18lbs I gained. I wish I had run Dermacrine with it to combat the lethargy that hit me around week 4.
Definitely a tried and true PH product but as you have already seen it takes a while to really kick in and start getting all the benefits ... 6 week cycle minimum with this compound. In the future I may entertain running it for an 8 week cycle.
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I would love to go over 6, i just dont want to be shut down for that long.
 
R1balla said:
I would love to go over 6, i just dont want to be shut down for that long.
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Yeah ... despite what some folks may tell you, Epi will shut you down. My libido totally disappeared by week 4 and didn't return until a few days ago and I am just finishing up week 3 of PCT. :( I have heard anecdotal evidence that Dermacrine has helped some maintain libido while on cycle but it will not prevent shutdown.....with any synthetic hormone in the bloodstream shutdown is just a fact of life. I have also heard of guys adding TR3ST in lower dosages as a test bast to combat the lethargy / loss of libido .... but again this will not prevent shutdown. Best advice I have to deal with shutdown comes in the form of a very well planned PCT. ..... get the system up and running again as fast as possible. With this in mind, for any future cycles I will be adding a few things to my PCT based on the research I have done over the past few months. My current PCT consists of Nolva 20/20/10/10 , SUP3R PCT 4/4/3/3/2/1, DAA 3g ED. In the future I think I will also add Clomid at a moderate dosage since I have learned that the two (Nolva and Clomid) each work in a slightly different manner. Nolva more for controlling gyno and Comid more for an increase in LH and getting the testies functioning properly again .... both are SERMS but work through different mechanisms .... I will also consider adding a couple other OTC compounds to my PCT to help retain gains but the bulk of the changes in protocol will be to shorten the time that I am shut down .... Just my thoughts based on my personal experience and research
 
TKC432 said:
Yeah ... despite what some folks may tell you, Epi will shut you down. My libido totally disappeared by week 4 and didn't return until a few days ago and I am just finishing up week 3 of PCT. :( I have heard anecdotal evidence that Dermacrine has helped some maintain libido while on cycle but it will not prevent shutdown.....with any synthetic hormone in the bloodstream shutdown is just a fact of life. I have also heard of guys adding TR3ST in lower dosages as a test bast to combat the lethargy / loss of libido .... but again this will not prevent shutdown. Best advice I have to deal with shutdown comes in the form of a very well planned PCT. ..... get the system up and running again as fast as possible. With this in mind, for any future cycles I will be adding a few things to my PCT based on the research I have done over the past few months. My current PCT consists of Nolva 20/20/10/10 , SUP3R PCT 4/4/3/3/2/1, DAA 3g ED. In the future I think I will also add Clomid at a moderate dosage since I have learned that the two (Nolva and Clomid) each work in a slightly different manner. Nolva more for controlling gyno and Comid more for an increase in LH and getting the testies functioning properly again .... both are SERMS but work through different mechanisms .... I will also consider adding a couple other OTC compounds to my PCT to help retain gains but the bulk of the changes in protocol will be to shorten the time that I am shut down .... Just my thoughts based on my personal experience and research
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I just plan on not going past 6 weeks lol
 
R1balla said:
I just plan on not going past 6 weeks lol
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Don't get me wrong ... I am not totally sure running it past 6 weeks is something I would actually try ... especially with how I felt at the end of my last 6 week run ... (by that time I was so dried out my joints felt like they had crushed glass in them ... was wishing for a little Estrogen at that point).... Its just that Epi doesn't really start to shine until around 3-4 weeks in so it would be nice if there was a safe way to lengthen the cycle by a couple weeks to get more out of it. Now that all being said , considering how long its taken me to get things back up and running I will seriously consider my proposed PCT protocol changes even for my next 6 week Epi cycle .... ;)
 
TKC432 said:
Don't get me wrong ... I am not totally sure running it past 6 weeks is something I would actually try ... especially with how I felt at the end of my last 6 week run ... (by that time I was so dried out my joints felt like they had crushed glass in them ... was wishing for a little Estrogen at that point).... Its just that Epi doesn't really start to shine until around 3-4 weeks in so it would be nice if there was a safe way to lengthen the cycle by a couple weeks to get more out of it. Now that all being said , considering how long its taken me to get things back up and running I will seriously consider my proposed PCT protocol changes even for my next 6 week Epi cycle .... ;)
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Maybe start at 40 then from weeks 4-6 go to 50. I understand what you are saying though
 
Could go 7? I mean you need 2 bottles for a serious 6 week anyway (I'm on 2a3a from vital labs). Couldn't hurt that much for an extra week of gains. Odd numbers aren't a bad thing ;)
 
if i go 7 then why not 8? lol we could be here all day! i have another bottle of IBE epi and Brawn on hand anyway.
 
And there in lies our addiction... I'm already planning out my next cycle and I'm barely on this one!
 
Day 23

Having a hard time uploading pics from my phone for some reason but I have before pics on hand and about mid way through (today). Haven't weighed in since last week and I was +8 pounds.

The pictures you can def tell growth occured. Body comp looks the exact same but my arms look much more full and the space (sternum area) between my pecs is much deeper now. Overall look thicker in the pics. A bit wider. Only a front shot selfie though hahaha.

Strength is starting to increase. Yesterday on legs I was squatting 50 pounds more than I was the previous week. But that's the only lift that has really jumped like that. Other lifts is all minimal but def increasing.

I want to get some thoughts on my pct and post pct plan.

Nolvadex 20/20/10/10
Endosurge turbo 0/0/full dose/full dose/taper/taper (don't have the mg in front of me atm)
Macapro for the 6 weeks as well full dose

Those of you with pct experience, should I wait to jump into a nice natty stack or take it right after my Endosurge? This is my natty stack

Prime 69 protocol
ArA
Anabeta

Goal is to maintain (or increase) strength and mass. I get mass from anabeta and ArA, strength from prime and ArA. I know mass and strength is from diet and hard work...etc, I am just speaking on what I have seen from these supplements in the past.
 
Would love to see some before - mid pics to see what I can look forward too. It's easier on the classic upload
 
R1balla said:
Day 23

Having a hard time uploading pics from my phone for some reason but I have before pics on hand and about mid way through (today). Haven't weighed in since last week and I was +8 pounds.

The pictures you can def tell growth occured. Body comp looks the exact same but my arms look much more full and the space (sternum area) between my pecs is much deeper now. Overall look thicker in the pics. A bit wider. Only a front shot selfie though hahaha.

Strength is starting to increase. Yesterday on legs I was squatting 50 pounds more than I was the previous week. But that's the only lift that has really jumped like that. Other lifts is all minimal but def increasing.

I want to get some thoughts on my pct and post pct plan.

Nolvadex 20/20/10/10
Endosurge turbo 0/0/full dose/full dose/taper/taper (don't have the mg in front of me atm)
Macapro for the 6 weeks as well full dose

Those of you with pct experience, should I wait to jump into a nice natty stack or take it right after my Endosurge? This is my natty stack

Prime 69 protocol
ArA
Anabeta

Goal is to maintain (or increase) strength and mass. I get mass from anabeta and ArA, strength from prime and ArA. I know mass and strength is from diet and hard work...etc, I am just speaking on what I have seen from these supplements in the past.
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Not sure if the Endosurge has an AI in it but if not I would go with a OTC PCT supp that does have an AI in it. Or a topical AI Formastane product. I am too wiped out after just finishing a brutal leg workout about 10 minutes ago otherwise I would read back through your log to see what PH you are running but nevertheless a PCT supp with an AI is generally a good idea no matter what compound you are running for your cycle. My last Epi cycle I went with SUP3R PCT along with Nolva at 20/20/10/10 and DAA ed .....
 
mgkoret said:
Would love to see some before - mid pics to see what I can look forward too. It's easier on the classic upload
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I have pics on my phone not computer. Really though, it's not much of a difference, but you can tell I put on weight. Like I said, same body comp only thicker.
 
TKC432 said:
Not sure if the Endosurge has an AI in it but if not I would go with a OTC PCT supp that does have an AI in it. Or a topical AI Formastane product. I am too wiped out after just finishing a brutal leg workout about 10 minutes ago otherwise I would read back through your log to see what PH you are running but nevertheless a PCT supp with an AI is generally a good idea no matter what compound you are running for your cycle. My last Epi cycle I went with SUP3R PCT along with Nolva at 20/20/10/10 and DAA ed .....
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this is endosurge's profile in case you were curious

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[TH="class: clm"]Amount Per Serving[/TH]
[TH="class: clm"]% Daily Value[/TH]
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[TR]
[TD]Wide Spectrum Stinging Nettle Root Extract for 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]533 mg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]**[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Maca 20:1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]250 mg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]**[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mucuna 98%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]100 mg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]**[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Vitamin D3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]400 IU[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



I wish I had a bottle or two of formabolic to use but i dont right now. Also have test factor.
 
Day 27

Still at 45mg of epi.

+13 pounds so far on empty stomach. Minimal strength gains. I mean, I do see strength gains, but nothing what I expected. I saw better strength off Prime (don't kill me for saying that lol). Just being honest. 2 weeks ago I was about to do 100 pound DB on online for 4 reps and needed a help start and today I got it up by myself and hit 6 reps. Just an example of my strength gains. I know it's harder to see gains on DB than it is BB.

Also, no sides. Still have a little bit of libido. Small loads though. Surprised I still have any libido at all lol
 
Nice!!! I look forward to the strength gains on cycle the most really.. Weight gain is nice, but I'd rather feel like Superman lol
 
Goliath1 said:
Nice!!! I look forward to the strength gains on cycle the most really.. Weight gain is nice, but I'd rather feel like Superman lol
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I bet I can stack Prime with ArA and see better strength gains than what I am seeing now. That is a stack I plan on running after PCT.
 
R1balla said:
I bet I can stack Prime with ArA and see better strength gains than what I am seeing now. That is a stack I plan on running after PCT.
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Lol Id be pissed..

That's a nice stack though..

I have a few bottles of Xgels and OG Anabeta I gotta use up myself.. I also am gunna give Ep1c and DermaStrength a shot..
 
Goliath1 said:
Lol Id be pissed..

That's a nice stack though..

I have a few bottles of Xgels and OG Anabeta I gotta use up myself.. I also am gunna give Ep1c and DermaStrength a shot..
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I'm strong for my size as it is so I'm not too concerned.
 
Day 32

Haven't weighed in recently, but everyone is saying I look bigger and leaner and my shoulders/traps are huge. What's funny is I don't lift shoulders or traps lol funny how that worked out.

Strength gains are there but minimal still. Libido is barely hanging on. I'm mixing my workouts up a lot. Still high volume but doing BB one week then dB the next, not working out the same body part the same day of the week every week...etc. feeling good!
 
final review? interested to see what your final thoughts are as im starting an epi cycle in November
also hows your pct going so far? keeping those gains?
 
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