Chuck Diesel
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An 80% by vol now a days is an isolate. Even isopure now is close to 80% most cocentrates are 65% protein by vol. Also yeah $20/lb to the consumer. $18 at the least.
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An 80% by vol now a days is an isolate. Even isopure now is close to 80% most cocentrates are 65% protein by vol. Also yeah $20/lb to the consumer. $18 at the least.
Gutterpump
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I used to use Optimum a lot when I first started. The stuff is pretty good on the stomach for being one of the cheaper brands. Used to use their whey, casein and have used their hydro whey. Never any gastro troubles.
I'm curious, does anyone know the status of Nature's Best? I've always trusted them and used their products extensively (Isopure & javapro).
bhawks23
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As in if they're still around the answer is yes I believe
Chuck Diesel
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I use 2 only can stomach isopure. They are still around but i dnt think distributors have their protein so its not as widely avail. They got like 100 flavors. I use 2 think the samething so i went 2 their website
Gutterpump
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Goes to show that it's best to just stick to real food. Keep protein powder intake for post workout and cost won't be a huge issue. I'm kind of exited to bake with this PES Snickerdoodle though. I'm all about baking with whey / protein. Makes it a bit easier to eat clean.
Gutterpump
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I still use all of their products, the ready made drinks (super pure and has the consistency of juice, not thick), the powders as well as the javapro coffee blend. I wasn't sure about product spiking but you answered that in a previous post (~85% pure), thanks! Still a good company
jamesm11
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Free legal work? No good firm takes on a nearly impossible suit for fun. This isn't even a pro bono type case. Most lawyers suck, even in NYC. It's pretty easy to run circles around half of them in a brief, even when I was in law school.
Also, lab tests aren't free. If you are making claims without any proof then it's libel. You have 0 proof and are writing disparaging comments. Your naivety is seriously making me laugh.
Even if you had no legal fees, you'll need a lot of $$ to get tests done, pay an expert to interpret and substantiate the tests, etc. An expert is about $5-10k before trial even starts. Unless you have $30k+ laying around you're SOL. Or they'll remove to federal court, file change of venue for forum non conveniens, etc.
Also, lab tests aren't free. If you are making claims without any proof then it's libel. You have 0 proof and are writing disparaging comments. Your naivety is seriously making me laugh.
Even if you had no legal fees, you'll need a lot of $$ to get tests done, pay an expert to interpret and substantiate the tests, etc. An expert is about $5-10k before trial even starts. Unless you have $30k+ laying around you're SOL. Or they'll remove to federal court, file change of venue for forum non conveniens, etc.
LiftWithDonuts
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Just throwing this out there, just got this and there are a lot of good recipes in hereInvalid Link Removed
Gutterpump
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This discussion is already over. I have not called out or named one single company here except for my initial (horrible) gastro experience with Muscle Milk powder. It's my personal right to tell people my experience. And yes lab tests cost money. Again I have not made any claims in this whole thread. Several others here have though
squirtguns89
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even an isolate doesnt cost that much per lb, what are these numbers based off? hormone free grass fed hoof massaged cows from NZ? but there are "trusted" whole sellers offering it much cheaper, thats not even at bulk prices companies are getting it at. heck even mainstream trusted lines aka PES select, 27 per 2 lbs, maybe im miss interpreting your point...
i also dont get the emphasis on volume=end all be all, as long as the label is accurate thats besides the point. aside from stomach issues and major fluffers, which is pretty easy to tell given that servings per lb isnt exactly rocket science to compare. why should i care if an isolate is 80%? it makes 0 difference in real world application without extremes.
Chuck Diesel
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How much protein is PES select %? It makes a dif bc consumers buy protein by weight. I buy protein by grams per container so if you buy 10 lbs of protein and its 60% protein by vol.....you dont think there is a dif if its 80% by volume. Thats like saying 95% lean ground beef is the same as 75% lean ground beef...when the price per lb can b damn near double
bhawks23
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That's like $30 for a pound I think. No matter where you go PES select is pretty expensive
Chuck Diesel
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I looked online its $28-33 1.9lbs 77% by vol. Thats not bad. Its a mostly milk blend which i think is a better deal bc its cheaper in price than whey and whey comes from milk anyway. Plus milk protein is naturally 80% caisen. In stores yeah way more. Online stores sell protein at next 2 no profit.
squirtguns89
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i can buy (for example of a company always on bogo half off) 13.5lbs aka 4,274 grams of whey hd for 92 bucks. I have a hard time believing there is twice as much fluff, actually more than twice as much filler, in that protein vs whatever youre referencing to justify your system. thats me referencing a mainstream brand as well, and not going whole sale. so no i dont think theres a big difference even if i was making up for a 20% difference when im getting well over 20% for "free".
by all means im not judging what you choose, i actually have a lot of respect for any company that uses top notch ingredients and understand why they charge more, im simply saying its not a legitimate way to say something is poor quality or lacking substance or whatever is being implied.
Chuck Diesel
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^^ ok this is getting of track from label claims and horrible tasting protein to 13.5lb protein deals. I dnt buy ground beef in a tube from Auldi or save a lot bc guess what? Its not the same. Im not saying $10/lb protein is cheap. Im saying i can't put out a protein at that price
Also the 20% ur talking about equals more than another whole lb of protein a 5lb container at 85% protein is equal to a 6lb container at 65% so look at egglands best eggs. You can argue i dont need 2 pay $4.80 for a dozen eggs bc the other cages up feed fed eggs are 1.99
Also the 20% ur talking about equals more than another whole lb of protein a 5lb container at 85% protein is equal to a 6lb container at 65% so look at egglands best eggs. You can argue i dont need 2 pay $4.80 for a dozen eggs bc the other cages up feed fed eggs are 1.99
Chuck Diesel
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Isnt 150 rolls of cottenell cheaper at sams club than 24 rolls at the grocery store?? 13.5lb protein deals dont do anything dif from any other bulk deal
Chuck Diesel
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Whey HD is 67.5% protein by vol. If 20% is irrelevant 20% less is 47% protein. You would buy a product thats not even half proten? 47% protein would be half the price of 70% by vol protein.....would also b that Audi ground beef in a tube.
squirtguns89
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its been off track, i simply asked you to substantiate your claims. and you essentially did say 10/lb was cheap, "I dnt know how people think they can get 5lbs or quality whey for $55." comparing "fresh" meat is not the same as comparing something thats processed and filtered down.
the argument id be open to hearing is if certain companies use cheap processing techniques that effect quality, not some argument about %of volume no offense, i see your point to some extent although yes, even if 20%=an extra lb, it doesnt matter cause you were comparing something thats double the price.
what does buying in bulk matter? youre saying you couldnt sell/buy good protein at around 10 bucks a lb, you going to whole sale buy 2 lbs of protein at a time? i dont even waste my time buying that little and im only using it for personal consumption.
67% at half the price is still a better deal than 100% pure at twice the cost. as i said, i get your point, but only to the extremes.
Chuck Diesel
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67% pure is never "better" than 95%-100% pure in any industry. Whats the other 33% you are paying for? Its not like there's fibers and stuff in protein. You paying for a less refined product. If I want Epimedium at 40% Icariin, its like 3-4x the cost of 20% Icariin. So its not still a better deal per se because for one, you are buying more lactose in that tub. Also would you buy metal for a building at 67% steel bc its half the price of 100% steel???
I'm asking you what does buying in bulk matter, everything is cheaper in bulk. Your telling me you would rather buy 67% pure protein over 80%+ pure protein, thats fine. A lot of consumers just look at protein like "Im getting X lbs of something marked protein for X $$" But like I said, 6lbs at 65% is 5lbs at 85%.
This all ties in to why spiking and BS protein will always be avail. Someone, is always looking for X lbs of protein for X price. They don't care that the protein is 67% by vol, and then worse some test spiked because there may be 67% Nitrogen, but 45% of that is whey, and 6% is added glycine and 6% is added Taurine.....but hey, its still 5lbs of protein right??
Chuck Diesel
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Companies don't "make" protein. Suppliers sell protein at a given % protein. Its all based off % protein. Whey-80, Whey-90, etc, there is whey-70. It matters in every industry. There is only a handful of protein suppliers in the US....I don't count China protein. You would buy a bottle of water that's 67% water?
squirtguns89
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25g of protein is 25 grams of protein aside from slight macro differences and any lactose issues, even then, an isolate is abundantly cheaper than what youve quoted. if a bottle was filled with only 67% water and the rest air, yet was half the price as something with 100% water in the same size bottle, yes i would buy the 67%.
AGAIN, i have a LOT of respect for companies who use good quality ingredients, and i SUPPORT those companies. BUT what youre saying/trying to prove is a reach imo.
AGAIN, i have a LOT of respect for companies who use good quality ingredients, and i SUPPORT those companies. BUT what youre saying/trying to prove is a reach imo.
Chuck Diesel
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If it was 67% full in a gallon jug you would say you just purchased a gallon of water???
I just dont believe a 1lb wopper frm burger king is the same as a 1 lb sreak from Gibson's steak house. I see your point a lot of ppl think 25g of protein is 25g but nothing is equal on all levels not eggs, milk, everything. I dnt eat centrella ice cream. Its not Breyers, Whiteys or Blue Bell.
jbryand101b
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Bought a 2lb tub of eas protein, loosing all my gains as I type cause it's not fancy.
Help....... Lulz.....
Help....... Lulz.....
LiftWithDonuts
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Just stick to companies who don't spike their stuff and have lab results proving so. It's not that hard to avoid buying protein from company's being sued for spiking their protein/supplements.
Piston Honda
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I think more people in this thread are drinking the Kool-Aid than the protein
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Misfit28
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Haha, word.
Gutterpump
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I've been waaaay out of the loop on protein spiking and which companies are doing it. I actually had no idea it was even being done until people told me in this thread. Couldn't believe it tbh. But then again, people used to spike protein back in the day with hormones, and also release supplements with cialis and other drugs in it, so I don't put it past anyone. The industry can be pretty shady.
Typically I've been using Isopure, which is super pure and not spiked. I don't really use protein powders all that much except for post workout. But I've been wanting something to bake with. Just got PES Select Snickerdoodle in the mail and it's freaking amazing, especially for only having 1g of carbs. Blends well with peanut butter, and I'm certain it's going to be amazing to bake with.
Akagami
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I have only had one protein powder that just absolutely disgusted me. I nearly gagged everytime I drank it and I only finished it because I spent the cash on it.
"Whey Phase" vanilla flavor by 4 dimensions. It was a few years ago so maybe it doesn't taste as bad now, but it was horrible enough that I will never buy their products again.
"Whey Phase" vanilla flavor by 4 dimensions. It was a few years ago so maybe it doesn't taste as bad now, but it was horrible enough that I will never buy their products again.
1Fast400
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When did pure mean quality? Go with the lowest "grade" whey you can get that doesn't blow your stomach up. Protein prices are down right now, expect to see blow out sales towards the end of the year from various brands. I can't comment on spiking. I've already gotten a CD letter from MusclePharm over making comment on Facebook lol