Winstrol for water reduction. (Nobody should do the things I do)

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Trying to get this fluid retention to go down. So I took 80mg of winstrol, two tabs, about twenty minutes ago. Already pissing like a pregnant lady.

Just thought I'd mention it. Cheers!
 
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That shyt cray.

If winstrol is so powerful at drying people out does it then cause dehydration easily?
 
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That shyt cray.

If winstrol is so powerful at drying people out does it then cause dehydration easily?
Oh fxck yeah man. The prep combo of winstrol and diazide or aldactone is a great way to die of thirst with a mouthful of water.

I almost took diazide, then reconsidered. Feeling better already. Probably just the one dosage should do the trick I think.
 

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what kind of cycle are you on that your E2/water retention is that high?
 
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Random question... what could someone expect from taking a low-moderate dose of Winstrol (50 mg/day) for two weeks and doing 45-60 minutes of moderate-intensity cardio every day, plus lifting at the gym 3 days/wk? Would that be long enough to notice any leaning out?
 
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what kind of cycle are you on that your E2/water retention is that high?
30mg DMZ, 200mg DHEA, 200mg 7keto 3b acetate. It shouldn't have happened. No idea why it did. Jumped off that and just trying to dry out. And it can't be e2 itself, because DMZ blocks those receptors.

I have used all of these before in these doses. Never took DHEA with DMZ though.
 
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Random question... what could someone expect from taking a low-moderate dose of Winstrol (50 mg/day) for two weeks and doing 45-60 minutes of moderate-intensity cardio every day, plus lifting at the gym 3 days/wk? Would that be long enough to notice any leaning out?
If you're already somewhat lean, you might expect some good leaning actually. The first thing though will be all your excess water weight will drop off. If you're fat, that's all that can happen, because you're just too fat.
 
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Trying to get this fluid retention to go down. So I took 80mg of winstrol, two tabs, about twenty minutes ago. Already pissing like a pregnant lady.

Just thought I'd mention it. Cheers!
Just have to weigh in and give a hearty laugh from the belly! Glad that worked out for ya brother!
 
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I'm surprised nobody in my other thread mentioned the DHEA as being a possible culprit. I actually think it was more that than the DMZ at this point, if it's estrogenic water retention. I thought it was my liver or kidneys at first.
 
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I'm surprised nobody in my other thread mentioned the DHEA as being a possible culprit. I actually think it was more that than the DMZ at this point, if it's estrogenic water retention. I thought it was my liver or kidneys at first.
Yep.
I thought of that. Sorry I didn't mention it.
Was it just straight oral DHEA?
 
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I'm surprised nobody in my other thread mentioned the DHEA as being a possible culprit. I actually think it was more that than the DMZ at this point, if it's estrogenic water retention. I thought it was my liver or kidneys at first.
Could be prolactin from the dhea. I get horrible sides from dhea. You never know how it's going to react when you put it in the body. Everybody is so different. Pregnenolone now that stuff works amazing for me.

Also not sure what you mean by DMZ blocks estrogen receptors. I'm not aware of any such mechanism by which DMZ works as such.
 
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Could be prolactin from the dhea. I get horrible sides from dhea. You never know how it's going to react when you put it in the body. Everybody is so different. Pregnenolone now that stuff works amazing for me.

Also not sure what you mean by DMZ blocks estrogen receptors. I'm not aware of any such mechanism by which DMZ works as such.
Masteron, methasterone and roxilon all block estrogen receptors by the same mechanism... Isn't this known?

I haven't used pregnenolone before but it's right next to the DHEA at the place I get mine. Doesn't that turn into estrogen even more readily or whatever?
 
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Yep.
I thought of that. Sorry I didn't mention it.
Was it just straight oral DHEA?
Yeah, I've taken a lot of DHEA before but... That was then and this is now.

Well, fxck... I think in the morning I'm just going to take some of the same DMZ and NOTHING else and see what happens. Might be good, might be bad.

Anybody notice DMZ seems to kick in many hours after you take it when it should be the half life? That's methasterone conversion.

If you take DMZ you'll test positive for Superdrol according to WADA.
 
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Yeah, I've taken a lot of DHEA before but... That was then and this is now.
I've taken it for a couple of short periods, but I can tell it converts a lot to Estrogen in my body, so I don't take it any more.
 
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If you can't tell, I'm determined to find the cause of this side effect. I have several remedies so that's never really been the issue. I'm just damned sure wanting to know what's the cause.
 
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I forget what it is exactly but some topical dhea creams come with something already in there that mildly blocks estrogen conversion. At least that’s what dermacrine is advertised to do.
 
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I forget what it is exactly but some topical dhea creams come with something already in there that mildly blocks estrogen conversion. At least that’s what dermacrine is advertised to do.
Sure, but we know that most of this stuff, herbal hormone regulation, estrogen metabolism enhancing herbs... Even arimistane... Are utter garbage. The DHEA in dermacrine is definitely going to do something but the other stuff, I don't believe that does much of anything.

And I don't really think the blend of eleven secret herbs and spices in arimacare does much of anything either. I think I spiked my e2 with DHEA and simultaneously inhibited the 11bhsd enzyme with DMZ causing extreme fluid retention. I seem to be fine now, keeping an eye on it.

So to reiterate something I said awhile back on a totally different post: I don't think DHEA makes a very good test base.
 
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Sure, but we know that most of this stuff, herbal hormone regulation, estrogen metabolism enhancing herbs... Even arimistane... Are utter garbage. The DHEA in dermacrine is definitely going to do something but the other stuff, I don't believe that does much of anything.

And I don't really think the blend of eleven secret herbs and spices in arimacare does much of anything either. I think I spiked my e2 with DHEA and simultaneously inhibited the 11bhsd enzyme with DMZ causing extreme fluid retention. I seem to be fine now, keeping an eye on it.
If it’s an herb then it definitely won’t help counter balance the effect of a ph drug like dhea. Your dhea dose was on the higher end as well, which obviously creates a higher likelihood that it’ll convert to other unwanted hormones. I think my dhea dose was just under 100mgs a day but your heavier if I remember correctly.
 
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If it’s an herb then it definitely won’t help counter balance the effect of a ph drug like dhea. Your dhea dose was on the higher end as well, which obviously creates a higher likelihood that it’ll convert to other unwanted hormones. I think my dhea dose was just under 100mgs a day but your heavier if I remember correctly.
I took 100mgs a day split 50/50 all the way up until I started the DMZ, starting from January... No issues, or results IMO. I think you have to go over that by a good bit like I did here to get anything from it, and even then you risk a lot.
 
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Masteron, methasterone and roxilon all block estrogen receptors by the same mechanism... Isn't this known?

I haven't used pregnenolone before but it's right next to the DHEA at the place I get mine. Doesn't that turn into estrogen even more readily or whatever?
DMZ doesnt aromatize but it doesnt block receptor sites. DMZ is not superdrol and doesnt act like superdrol in the body. Once the molecules are split they act differently. Im guessing the link went from masteron to superdrol to dmz?none of these steroids act the same although chemically similar and would be a stretch linking them? Would love to see the info if you have it. I'm always down to learn more.

Pregnenolone like dhea is a parent hormone. When you put it in like dhea there is no telling which slide it will travel down and what other hormones it may create. For me dhea is awful pregnenolone is necessary. TRT causes lowered pregnenolone levels so any one on trt could probably benefit from low dose preg. I mean low I take like 7-10 mg/day and it makes a huge difference. I am also on trt and noticed a big difference. Dhea caused estro problems via prolactin for me.
 

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If you're already somewhat lean, you might expect some good leaning actually. The first thing though will be all your excess water weight will drop off. If you're fat, that's all that can happen, because you're just too fat.
If its that effective at pulling water weight off then on my thread for my current cycle theres hopefully going to be an insane recomp or a picture of me crying cause i got fat lol......

I gained like 15lbs within the first 10 days of my first test cycle......was reverse dieting as well so in theory its a crazy amount of water. Start winny in 2 weeks....
 
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If its that effective at pulling water weight off then on my thread for my current cycle theres hopefully going to be an insane recomp or a picture of me crying cause i got fat lol......

I gained like 15lbs within the first 10 days of my first test cycle......was reverse dieting as well so in theory its a crazy amount of water. Start winny in 2 weeks....
Well, it does keep the muscle glycogen pretty well. It's the diazide that will deplete that rapidly, not so much the winstrol. The winny gets what's in the joints and under the skin. For me, with my hands swelling up getting hard to make a fist, pretty much the first dose got rid of that.

I feel great today, BP is normal, appetite is normal, sexual function is normal.
 
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DMZ doesnt aromatize but it doesnt block receptor sites. DMZ is not superdrol and doesnt act like superdrol in the body. Once the molecules are split they act differently. Im guessing the link went from masteron to superdrol to dmz?none of these steroids act the same although chemically similar and would be a stretch linking them? Would love to see the info if you have it. I'm always down to learn more.

Pregnenolone like dhea is a parent hormone. When you put it in like dhea there is no telling which slide it will travel down and what other hormones it may create. For me dhea is awful pregnenolone is necessary. TRT causes lowered pregnenolone levels so any one on trt could probably benefit from low dose preg. I mean low I take like 7-10 mg/day and it makes a huge difference. I am also on trt and noticed a big difference. Dhea caused estro problems via prolactin for me.
The roxilon study that points it out is in Spanish but the WADA study designed to find the metabolites of DMZ to test for it found that methasterone and all of its metabolites were present in the system. There is also a precursor metabolite which is the broken DMZ molecule without the ketone and of course the DMZ molecule itself. The body will replace the ketone creating methasterone.

DMZ was designed in the 60's as a delivery system for methasterone to limit toxicity. Hence why it made it to market but methasterone did not.

I believe the 2-methyl group is what causes ER/PR blockage. Am I incorrect?
 
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The roxilon study that points it out is in Spanish but the WADA study designed to find the metabolites of DMZ to test for it found that methasterone and all of its metabolites were present in the system. There is also a precursor metabolite which is the broken DMZ molecule without the ketone and of course the DMZ molecule itself. The body will replace the ketone creating methasterone.

DMZ was designed in the 60's as a delivery system for methasterone to limit toxicity. Hence why it made it to market but methasterone did not.

I believe the 2-methyl group is what causes ER/PR blockage. Am I incorrect?
So I guess if you're saying dmz acts the same at breast tissue as say nolva which only ensures that the estrogen has no place to dock... Masteron was indeed developed as a form of hormone replacement for women w breast cancer. However I still cant see the correlation to superdrol and even dmz. Again while they are structurally similar they are not the same that's why they don't act the same in the body. Masteron and superdrol are nothing alike once in the body.

Even if It did somehow block e2 receptors in specific areas it still wouldnt do a thing to deal with any estrogen problems in themselves if that is the culprit for your excessive water. Things like serms simply bind to the receptors and keep excess estrogen from docking. They dont do a thing to actually lower excess e2. An ai is needed for that.
 
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its too late now.. just saw this.. but yeah i was going to point out the 200 mgs of DHEA as the culprit. with out reading the whole thread, did you get it worked out?
 
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So I guess if you're saying dmz acts the same at breast tissue as say nolva which only ensures that the estrogen has no place to dock... Masteron was indeed developed as a form of hormone replacement for women w breast cancer. However I still cant see the correlation to superdrol and even dmz. Again while they are structurally similar they are not the same that's why they don't act the same in the body. Masteron and superdrol are nothing alike once in the body.

Even if It did somehow block e2 receptors in specific areas it still wouldnt do a thing to deal with any estrogen problems in themselves if that is the culprit for your excessive water. Things like serms simply bind to the receptors and keep excess estrogen from docking. They dont do a thing to actually lower excess e2. An ai is needed for that.
just pointing out:
an AI only effects the aromatase enzyme. so if you dont have any being produced they shouldnt have much effect at lowering estrogen either. in the presence of an aromatizable substrate you can expect to control its actions with an AI.
 
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Got it all figured out.

DMZ will do as it was designed to do. I'm not really up for debating whether or not the findings of the people who designed and studied it are valid. (I believe they are)
 

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I'm surprised nobody in my other thread mentioned the DHEA as being a possible culprit. I actually think it was more that than the DMZ at this point, if it's estrogenic water retention. I thought it was my liver or kidneys at first.
huh, I didn't see your other thread...

yeah, DHEA doesn't seem that great for men, unless you're just trying to optimize DHEA levels.

but, for women, it does seem pretty solid as an anabolic:

http://www.ergo-log.com/dhea.html





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