will you eat soy products?

Do you eat soy

  • Yes occasionaly every day or so

    Votes: 10 35.7%

  • Never that stuff is like Cancer

    Votes: 12 42.9%

  • I never do but i'm a hippocrit like everyone and put soy on stuff

    Votes: 1 3.6%

  • I never thought about it.

    Votes: 5 17.9%
  • Total voters
    28
Kam

Kam

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just wondering I'm takin all this natural anabolics and test boosters with some estro blockers. Just wanted to have a poll to see what people do. I'm pretty sure that as long as it's not a major source of protein then you'll be fine, but i'll take all the test i can get.

Kam
 
Kam said:
I'm pretty sure that as long as it's not a major source of protein then you'll be fine, but i'll take all the test i can get.

Kam
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I'm not following what you're saying, how exactly does soy protein=improved test levels?
 
Ziricote said:
I'm not following what you're saying, how exactly does soy protein=improved test levels?
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I think he’s saying is that as long as you don’t overdo it (soy), it wont affect your test too negatively. But that he won’t touch soy because even a little test lost is too much for him.
 
Oooooh, gotcha. Well I'm not sure why you'd want to use soy at all, if you won't/can't use other protein powders just use food.
 
I think it is blown up how soy increases estrogen. sure it does, but as long as it is not a daily food then its okay. Im not going to discriminate and say no soy for me. Ill eat it if it is there and good.
 
sorry, just wanted to know where people were on there soy intake and why. I'll put soy sauce in my chicken marinate every once a week or two. Just wanted to see if people are as crazy as I am about staying away from soy. It's uber healthy but me being natural I'm trying to get every ounce of test i can without anything getting in the way.

sorry for any confusion, keep the votes coming.
 
Only Soy sauce? I say go for it if that's what you want, it's not like you'd be using enough of it on a constant basis to effect test or estrogen levels if it does have such a great effect on them.
 
I will occassionally eat soy sauce with some stir fry and sometimes pick up roasted soy nuts. I noticed that my vegetable oil from Publix is made from soy, but I hardly ever use it (olive oil all the way for me). I don't eat enough soy to really worry about it.
 
I eat it occasionally as soy, and use soy sauce sometimes, I don't think I take in enough to make a huge difference.

ManBeast
 
Soy does not elevate estrogen. It contains phytoestrogens which are similar to estrogen in structure and compete with estrogen for receptors.

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Nope never, i've read that soy raises estrogen in males so screw that. Don't like anything soy anyway, i'm a red blooded male, i was born to eat steak, chicken, turkey etc.
 
CHAPS said:
Nope never, i've read that soy raises estrogen in males so screw that.
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You heard?:rolleyes::D

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Effect of soymilk consumption on serum estrogen and androgen concentrations in Japanese men.

* Nagata C,
* Takatsuka N,
* Shimizu H,
* Hayashi H,
* Akamatsu T,
* Murase K.

Department of Public Health, Gifu University School of Medicine, Japan.

Soy consumption has been associated with a reduced risk of prostate cancer. The mechanism for this association may involve the effect of soy on the endocrine system. We conducted a randomized dietary intervention study to determine the effects of soy consumption on serum levels of steroid hormones in men. Thirty-five men were randomly assigned to either a soymilk-supplemented group or a control group. The men in the soy-supplemented group were asked to consume 400 ml of soymilk daily for 8 weeks. The men in the control group maintained their usual diet. Blood samples were obtained just before the initiation of the dietary period and thereafter every two weeks for 12 weeks. Changes in hormone concentrations were analyzed and compared between the two groups using the mixed linear regression model against weeks from the start of the dietary period. The mean (SD) soymilk intake estimated from dietary records during the dietary study period was 342.9 (SD, 74.2) ml in the soymilk-supplemented group. There was a significant difference between the two groups in terms of changes in serum estrone concentrations, which tended to decrease in the soy-supplemented group and increase in the control group over time. None of the other hormones measured (estradiol, total and free-testosterone, or sex hormone-binding globulin) showed any statistical difference between the two groups in terms of patterns of change. The results of the study indicate that soymilk consumption may modify circulating estrone concentrations in men.

PMID: 11303585 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Nutr Cancer. 2005;51(1):1-6.Click here to read Links
Hormonal response to diets high in soy or animal protein without and with isoflavones in moderately hypercholesterolemic subjects.

* Goldin BR,
* Brauner E,
* Adlercreutz H,
* Ausman LM,
* Lichtenstein AH.

Department of Family Medicine and Community Medicine, Tufts University School of Medicine, Boston, MA 02111, USA.

Consumption of soy protein has been associated with altered risk of developing endocrine-regulated cancers. This study was designed to assess the independent effect of soy relative to animal protein and soy-derived isoflavones on circulating estrogen and androgen concentrations in postmenopausal women and older men. Forty-two subjects (> 50 yr) with low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels of > or = 3.36 mmol/l were fed each of 4 diets in randomized order for 6 wk/phase. All food and drink were provided. Diets contained 25 g soy or common sources of animal protein/4.2 MJ containing trace or 50 mg isoflavones/4.2 MJ. At the end of each diet phase, concentrations of estrone sulfate, estrone, estradiol, testosterone, androstendione, dihydrotestosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone, and dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate were measured. In postmenopausal women, concentrations of estrone were higher and its precursor, dehydroepiandrosterone, lower after consuming the soy compared with animal protein diets (P = 0.0396 and 0.0374, respectively). There was no significant effect of isoflavones on any of the hormones measured. In older men, dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate concentrations were lower after consuming the isoflavone (P = 0.0106) and higher after soy, compared with the animal protein diets (P = 0.0118). These data suggest that relatively large amounts of soy protein or soy-derived isoflavones had modest and limited sex-specific effects on circulating hormone levels.

PMID: 15749623 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
The problem with Soy and America is that it's in every friggin thing! So those who say they never touch it, ya better start reading your labels more carefully cause it's pretty hard to avoid!! I started looking for it after reading some studies on Soy fed kids/Test levels etc and I couldn't believe how much they stick that crap into! So like Yeahright said moderation, I don't add it on purpose but it's almost impossible to avoid completely! Besides how can you live without a Chinesse buffett once in awhile:food:
 
That was a good study you posted, but still i just don't like anything soy, lol I'm anti vegan it's not even funny, lol.
 
the DS Sustain bars have soy in them, and i eat one damn near every day. sure it is a trace amount, but its still in there and i'm not going to not eat it because of a small amount of soy in it. Big difference between eating small amounts to eating huge tubs of it.
 
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