Unanswered Will you always recover?

Spookybro

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I know it's best to just run a 10-12 week cycle and maybe a 16 week cycle occasionally and always do a PROPER pct with serms like clomid and nolva and have AIs on hand.

Now I know it depends on a lot of factors such as age, and how many cycles one has done ect.

But let's say a 30 yr old healthy male ran a cycle of test at 500mg per week for 6 months. Is it possible to bounce back to normal range after a lengthy pct?

I've seen people say they have blasted test at 500mg+ for 5 and 6 months before with no issues recovering. A 16 week cycle(4 month) cycle I know is recoverable. But a 5 or 6 month cycle seems insane. But people say your body will always bounce back it just takes time if you're somewhat young. Opinions?

[I'd personally never go over 16weeks]
 
Spookybro said:
I know it's best to just run a 10-12 week cycle and maybe a 16 week cycle occasionally and always do a PROPER pct with serms like clomid and nolva and have AIs on hand.

Now I know it depends on a lot of factors such as age, and how many cycles one has done ect.

But let's say a 30 yr old healthy male ran a cycle of test at 500mg per week for 6 months. Is it possible to bounce back to normal range after a lengthy pct?

I've seen people say they have blasted test at 500mg+ for 5 and 6 months before with no issues recovering. A 16 week cycle(4 month) cycle I know is recoverable. But a 5 or 6 month cycle seems insane. But people say your body will always bounce back it just takes time if you're somewhat young. Opinions?

[I'd personally never go over 16weeks]
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There's guys on this board who never fully recovered after a 16 week cycle.
 
Short answer: no.
There’s people that use a bunk serm or ineffective dose serm, or no serm that never even recovered from a 4 week cycle.
My favorite way to think about it goes like this. Let’s just say for arguments sake you’re over 30 years old and skip 4 week cycles - 2 month cycles at the minimum, you start with 820 total test, you do a cycle 8+ weeks, you use a good serm at an adequate dose, you do everything right, even a little hcg toward the end, you recover and bounce back, and 4 weeks after your post cycle ended, you are now at 795. Sometimes more, sometimes less. So naturally you feel good and recovered well, so next time you do a 14 week cycle and you’re now 32, again, after recovery you’re 735. Not bad, so you do a 4 month blast at age 33, this time you did everything right again, but your total test is only 455. Big difference this time. Now you could do 10x the cycles and all 16+ weeks or you could do only 8 week cycles but every other 8 weeks or once a year, regardless how you do it, it is really really rare to end up with total test #s higher than when you started. They are almost always lower. So there’s no way to know how many you can recover from or how long they are, but two things are constant, you don’t end up with numbers as high as when you started, and typically recovery is harder and even moreso decreases your numbers the longer the cycle or blast is in length.
 
Not much to add...but in short, from the studies ive seen the body will almost always recover to a "healthy" .. not necessarily muscle building level given enough time. Might be 2 months and might be 2 years. But any time you cycle, regardless of the length, you run the risk of not bouncing back. Probably boils down to genetics in the end.... but that is ALWAYS a risk.
 
So when we say "recover" is that back to baseline test values or would any dip in test be considered not revovered from the cycle?
 
So basically I notice you rather ask everything here instead of reading through info? The answer is no. A lot of guys here are an exemple of that
 
A 6 month blast is a terrible idea for a lot of reasons, and hpta recovery would be pretty low on my list of concerns with it, in the grand scheme of things.
 
DieselJD said:
So when we say "recover" is that back to baseline test values or would any dip in test be considered not revovered from the cycle?
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Baseline ends up being where you recover to. Because it won’t be pre-cycle levels. This can take a lot more time than just during pct. In fact pct, I’ve seen some awesome numbers for free and total test, it’s when you jump off pct that your body has to start working again. Best to check bloods in 4-6 weeks at the very minimum and see where they are. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone with numbers like before they started their cycle, unless they are getting labs drawn end of pct or a week after. So yes, you are kind of recovered but not in the sense that your test recovered to pre-cycle levels. Just that you’ve actually started making test on your own is technically recovered wherever that may be.
 
Matthersby said:
Baseline ends up being where you recover to. Because it won’t be pre-cycle levels. This can take a lot more time than just during pct. In fact pct, I’ve seen some awesome numbers for free and total test, it’s when you jump off pct that your body has to start working again. Best to check bloods in 4-6 weeks at the very minimum and see where they are. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone with numbers like before they started their cycle, unless they are getting labs drawn end of pct or a week after. So yes, you are kind of recovered but not in the sense that your test recovered to pre-cycle levels. Just that you’ve actually started making test on your own is technically recovered wherever that may be.
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My recent roughly 4 weeks post pct bloodwork was within 4 points(total test) of precycle bloodwork. I dont know if thats typical or not, and I dont expect that would be the case with continued cycling.
 
jrock645 said:
My recent roughly 4 weeks post pct bloodwork was within 4 points(total test) of precycle bloodwork. I dont know if thats typical or not, and I dont expect that would be the case with continued cycling.
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Exactly. Kudos, That’s the BEST case scenario. Now, whether you could do that 4 more times, or 40, would depend on your age, the drugs used, the duration, the effectiveness of the pct, the time off between cycles, and a dozen other factors. But that’s hella impressive and how my first and second cycle in my 30s that were over 8 weeks went. GREAT post cycle numbers, than I did a 14 week sust/Deca and orals on the front and back at about 35 years old. Never broke 400 again. I was 863 end of my second cycle though after a really strong Clomid pct plus hcg. test only with prop and an oral. I figured I could recover from anything after that run so I definitely was wrong.
 
I recovered fine on from 21 to 25 until I completly stop Anabolics til 27. Ran some sarms at high dose and never recovered and am on TRT now. You never know which cycle will put you on trt. Only thing you know is if you keep cycling it’s going to happen.
 
Mathb33 said:
I recovered fine on from 21 to 25 until I completly stop Anabolics til 27. Ran some sarms at high dose and never recovered and am on TRT now. You never know which cycle will put you on trt. Only thing you know is if you keep cycling it’s going to happen.
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You really don’t run into too many guys that have done a dozen-2 dozen cycles now in their late 30s or early 40s that aren’t on TRT. I think we have 3-4 on here and they are seriously hardcore about recovery, cycle length, aggressive post cycles and all that, and even they will be on in a few more years. I want to say Hyde and Smont? But I think they are going to pull the trigger soon enough.
 
Even though i had test in the high 300s before going on exogenous test, recovering to those exact numbers now is i believe a pipe dream.

But at least i am less worried about it since levels were not good anyway.
 
CroLifter said:
Even though i had test in the high 300s before going on exogenous test, recovering to those exact numbers now is i believe a pipe dream.

But at least i am less worried about it since levels were not good anyway.
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F 300s. At any age. I barely even wanted sex at 330. Wouldn’t go back to that even if this killed me by 60.
 
Matthersby said:
You really don’t run into too many guys that have done a dozen-2 dozen cycles now in their late 30s or early 40s that aren’t on TRT. I think we have 3-4 on here and they are seriously hardcore about recovery, cycle length, aggressive post cycles and all that, and even they will be on in a few more years. I want to say Hyde and Smont? But I think they are going to pull the trigger soon enough.
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I'm still in the recovered group at the moment. 😉
 
Matthersby said:
F 300s. At any age. I barely even wanted sex at 330. Wouldn’t go back to that even if this killed me by 60.
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I was around there, didn’t want it either and had a hard time in bed. Much rather be where I am now lol.

@OP I never recovered from a few cycles , put me on TrT at 22
 
You will until you don't. It really is that simple. Age plays a huge role and late teens early 20's will bounce back from cycles far more effectively than the 30+ crowd.

6 months is not a cycle IMO, that is simply staying on lol.
 
Matthersby said:
I believe you were in the 4 I had thought of but I wasn’t 100% sure. I’m sure there’s more I’m just thinking of the more prevalent posters
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You're right .... As far as guys who've ran lots of cycles over the years, there aren't a lot.
 
ChocolateClen said:
I was around there, didn’t want it either and had a hard time in bed. Much rather be where I am now lol.

@OP I never recovered from a few cycles , put me on TrT at 22
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I’m just flat out a useless bitch not on TRT. I don’t care that I have to rely on it to be who I am. I can’t handle what life throws at me, I’m weak, I’m not successful, I’m not ambitious, and I’m not even half the man in bed. I was in my 20s and early 30s but not at this point without it, I saw to that.
I am not ashamed to admit it, I won’t ever get off of it, I like who I am on it.
 
Matthersby said:
I’m just flat out a useless bitch not on TRT. I don’t care that I have to rely on it to be who I am. I can’t handle what life throws at me, I’m weak, I’m not successful, I’m not ambitious, and I’m not even half the man in bed. I was in my 20s and early 30s but not at this point without it, I saw to that.
I am not ashamed to admit it, I won’t ever get off of it, I like who I am on it.
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If I had low Test, I'd be on. There will come a day ....
 
Btw, chocolate, renew, and anyone else always all over these threads. Brainsick started a group chat on WhatsApp, just send me or him your number, leave your notifications off like I did and just bs when you want to. It’ll be good if someone drops off or something too so we aren’t left wondering. Not a bad idea for chattier ones like brain and myself.
 
Matthersby said:
I’m just flat out a useless bitch not on TRT. I don’t care that I have to rely on it to be who I am. I can’t handle what life throws at me, I’m weak, I’m not successful, I’m not ambitious, and I’m not even half the man in bed. I was in my 20s and early 30s but not at this point without it, I saw to that.
I am not ashamed to admit it, I won’t ever get off of it, I like who I am on it.
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Dude same. Didn’t realize till I was back in normal ranges how useless I really was. I was also a dick. Probably because it felt like I didn’t have one at the time cause it only half worked

Matthersby said:
Btw, chocolate, renew, and anyone else always all over these threads. Brainsick started a group chat on WhatsApp, just send me or him your number, leave your notifications off like I did and just bs when you want to. It’ll be good if someone drops off or something too so we aren’t left wondering. Not a bad idea for chattier ones like brain and myself.
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Much as I’d love too I try to stay as anonymous as possible lol
 
"Much as I’d love too I try to stay as anonymous as possible lol"

Yeah ... Me too. But I'm considering joining the group. I'd feel a little more comfortable sharing a little info, if it was a controlled group.
 
Ya. It’s two of us so far and I trust brainsick. I’ve given up long ago that idea that LE lurks forums to catch a piddly misdemeanor steroid bust. I don’t even use a protonmail or hushmail anymore when ordering stuff. Nobody cares anymore
 
Renew1 said:
"Much as I’d love too I try to stay as anonymous as possible lol"

Yeah ... Me too. But I'm considering joining the group. I'd feel a little more comfortable sharing a little info, if it was a controlled group.
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For me to do that I’d have to meet in person and get to know everyone in the group, which I’m not opposed to doing lol
 
Mathb33 said:
Why so scared? 😐
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Sometimes you learn that putting all your info out there for everyone to see, isn't always best.
And of course things like job, communities of involvement, family, etc, can sometimes make it better for some of us if we don't share everything in an open forum.
 
Renew1 said:
Sometimes you learn that putting all your info out there for everyone to see, isn't always best.
And of course things like job, communities of involvement, family, etc, can sometimes make it better for some of us if we don't share everything in an open forum.
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Nobody shares these type of infos on an open forum. Plus nobody said you had to give your bank account infos and your credit card digits. My point was I don’t think sharing your name, your age and the size of your penis puts you at any risk. Of course I completly respect people for not wanting to though.
 
Mathb33 said:
Nobody shares these type of infos on an open forum. Plus nobody said you had to give your bank account infos and your credit card digits. My point was I don’t think sharing your name, your age and the size of your penis puts you at any risk. Of course I completly respect people for not wanting to though.
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9.5 inches
 
Mathb33 said:
Nobody shares these type of infos on an open forum. Plus nobody said you had to give your bank account infos and your credit card digits. My point was I don’t think sharing your name, your age and the size of your penis puts you at any risk. Of course I completly respect people for not wanting to though.
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I'm glad thatvit won't put you at risk. For some, it would.
 
Idk but every thread I join end up talking about dicks or kisses... you guys fruity as hell it seems 🤔🤔
 
Privacy is as subjective as it gets. My gf thinks everyone wants her money and to molest her kids so she’s all crazy about Facebook and cell phones, everyone’s listening and all the predators are gonna come rape her little babies while we are at the store by learning about our address from Facebook. I have a different view: nobody cares about us. It’s that simple. Now, that may not be true for you or anyone else, but that’s my reality. I respect everyone’s right to privacy. I think you guys are swell and I’m not a stalker, so as brainsick and I have chatted all day, it’s been no different than us chatting right now, only it’s not googlable for the entire internet to read. So in a way it’s better, and if I’m tied up at work or don’t feel like chatting, I don’t pick up my phone.
 
The whole anonymity deal is a reason we all started here. I get why you would want to stay that way. Thing is - I come here and I talk to brothers that are insanely like minded in a lot of ways. Not to say theres not disagreements, those are fun too. But there isnt one person in my life that wants to hear about gear. Even the kid at the gym that's into this life doesnt want to spend time learning any of this. Hes plenty happy with test / mast / tren cycles every dam cycle. Then theres the life stuff - I was amazed when addiction was brought up just how many of you are in the same boat as me. Makes me not too worried about sharing a little personal info - **** - you guys are just like me to a disturbing degree at times. Thank god for these forums where I can see there are people like me, and I'm just not some crazy idiot....errr I am...just not the only one.

How many people do you know that would be willing to stick themselves everyday to reach some personal dream that doesnt add up to the gen pop???
 
bigbeaph said:
The whole anonymity deal is a reason we all started here. I get why you would want to stay that way. Thing is - I come here and I talk to brothers that are insanely like minded in a lot of ways. Not to say theres not disagreements, those are fun too. But there isnt one person in my life that wants to hear about gear. Even the kid at the gym that's into this life doesnt want to spend time learning any of this. Hes plenty happy with test / mast / tren cycles every dam cycle. Then theres the life stuff - I was amazed when addiction was brought up just how many of you are in the same boat as me. Makes me not too worried about sharing a little personal info - **** - you guys are just like me to a disturbing degree at times. Thank god for these forums where I can see there are people like me, and I'm just not some crazy idiot....errr I am...just not the only one.

How many people do you know that would be willing to stick themselves everyday to reach some personal dream that doesnt add up to the gen pop???
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This is 100% me too. I say a lot of kumbaya stuff on here, but that’s genuinely how I feel about it. It’s better than therapy on here with the group of guys that’ve assembled over the last 5 years or so. Guys I would loan money to, and definitely guys that I would pm 100 times a day for weeks on end if I knew it would help them get through something. I’ve done that 20 times this year with names no ones heard of. I simply mentioned something personal about me on here, they were baffled that someone here has struggled with something so similar and they’ve pm’d me for support and to talk. I’m not saying I’m a good and selfless person, but I HAVE to be to keep this life I’ve built by staying sober and training hard. I basically do it for myself but I’m able to help someone.
Hell, no one ever even complains that I write the worlds longest posts or criticizes my small legs. You guys realize no one on the entire fucking internet is as cool to one another as the core group of guys are on here? Anyways in summary, I agree, and the worst thing that could happen is someone could google my name that matches all my usernames and emails and find out I use steroids and I’m in recovery and I have a really slutty girlfriend. I’m ok with that. You guys are awesome and some of us would do more for you than you’d think.
 
I've seen some stupid mfers on some of the source boards. Sharing all their illegal activities and info. Even throwing evidence onto the boards. I figure if these idiots continue then giving my phone # to a few good dudes is not going to hurt.
 
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