Will you age more being natty than being non natty? Honest discussion

[Honta]

This is comming from a natural btw

since nattys have to stress there body to a larger degree for less muscle, and since they have worse recovery

and we don’t get to enjoy the enhanced bone growth/bone retention which plays a huge role in how old you look. Probably the biggest factor

would someone age better running low dose purely anobolic orals/sarms only with no test base? Maybe run something for estrogen and just accept the fact you’ll feel like **** sometimes

compared to the natty who’s bone deteriorates

 

[Smont]

This is comming from a natural btw

since nattys have to stress there body to a larger degree for less muscle, and since they have worse recovery

and we don’t get to enjoy the enhanced bone growth/bone retention which plays a huge role in how old you look. Probably the biggest factor

would someone age better running low dose purely anobolic orals/sarms only with no test base? Maybe run something for estrogen and just accept the fact you’ll feel like **** sometimes

compared to the natty who’s bone deteriorates

I firmly believe what I'm bout to say. I think if you run trt and low dose cycles like less then a gram of injectables, don't really use tren or orals too much you will actually age better then natty. Most of the year I'm on 150 test and my cycles have been 300/300 test and a anabolic. Over the past 8 years I feel like I'm aging backwards and I often get comments that I look like I'm getting younger. My skin improves, less wrinkles, idk how that even makes sense. I had a full beard by high school so u looked much older as a kid but it's like I aged fast as a kid and then stayed the same.

I'm stronger at 37 then I was in my 20's and my speed is about the same. I have some aches and pains but there all from old injuries when I was younger.

I know some older guys in there 70's that used gear and some still do and there way bigger, stronger and more able body/athletic then my father is natty at 71. And the difference between the 2 is not even comparable. These old guys still outperform most the 40 and 50 year old guys I know at pretty much everything.

I think that if you don't abuse gear to a point it because a health problem you age better.

And even if it knocks a few years off your life where these guys die in there 70's when maybe they would have lived to be 80 or 90 natty, there quality of life is much better.

I'd rather die at 75 looking 50, strong fit and still able to **** then die at 85 old frail and weak

 

[Potbelly]

You say that now

 

[joe123!]

I am assuming we are strictly talking anabolic, if so here are my thoughts.

There is a heavy contingency of where your baseline bloodwork is. For example, if your test is low, trt will help mitigate factors, but comes with its own issues. This is the same for any drug. If you lipoid panel is good, stay nattey. If something goes south, talk to your doc, weigh the benefits/ disadvantage and run with it. Will this help you live better and longer? Well that depends, how tanked were you, what were the symptoms etc. I think its a balancing act, if you feel like trash then going non nattey is worth it to feel better. I mean, why run around like like a zombie. If you are willing to go that route, just be the kind of guy that actually gets regular bloods to track things. Docs look at your blood range as a benchmark for a reason, whenever we go over or under we run into issues, its that simple. All and all, balance will go a long way, abuse will shorten things.

Now if we talk about peptides, I don't consider those non-natty, but there is a boatload of benefits there with minimal disadvantage from what I have read.

 

[johnny412]

I am assuming we are strictly talking anabolic, if so here are my thoughts.

There is a heavy contingency of where your baseline bloodwork is. For example, if your test is low, trt will help mitigate factors, but comes with its own issues. This is the same for any drug. If you lipoid panel is good, stay nattey. If something goes south, talk to your doc, weigh the benefits/ disadvantage and run with it. Will this help you live better and longer? Well that depends, how tanked were you, what were the symptoms etc. I think its a balancing act, if you feel like trash then going non nattey is worth it to feel better. I mean, why run around like like a zombie. If you are willing to go that route, just be the kind of guy that actually gets regular bloods to track things. Blood rangers are a benchmark for a reason, whenever we go over or under we run into issues. All and all, balance will go a long way, abuse will shorten things.

Now if we talk about peptides, I don't consider those non-natty, but there is a boatload of benefits there with minimal disadvantage from what I have read.

which peptides?

 

[joe123!]

which peptides?

I can only attest to the ones I have taken. cjc1295/ipamorelin & BPC-157, neither messed with bloodwork in a negative way. CJC caused my growth hormin to go up, but not too far. BPC helped with healing, but nothing changed on bloods, just healed up faster.

 

[Smont]

You say that now

I say that now and so do the guys who have used reasonable doses for 40+ years.

 

[Smont]

There's a reason they use anabolics in anti aging clinics.....

 

[Smont]

This is comming from a natural btw

since nattys have to stress there body to a larger degree for less muscle, and since they have worse recovery

and we don’t get to enjoy the enhanced bone growth/bone retention which plays a huge role in how old you look. Probably the biggest factor

would someone age better running low dose purely anobolic orals/sarms only with no test base? Maybe run something for estrogen and just accept the fact you’ll feel like **** sometimes

compared to the natty who’s bone deteriorates

I missed the no test base part, if your a man, men run on testosterone. Why would you not want testosterone?

 

[alvin1]

Interresting topic, i am 45 natty, did a few prohormone run in late 20, middle of the rang test level and trying natty supplement, but no seen the result i want, keep the feedback coming

 

[Stacks1]

I have no idea. If I were to guess, then I would say anecdotally that genetics play a huge role in aging. Some people just have better genetics. Others are genetically predisposed to a lot of different cancers, diabetes, heart disease etc., and these things can take a toll over time and age you faster in my opinion. After that I would say diet and lifestyle plays a significant role. People who eat like crap, drink a lot of alcohol, smoke regularly, and get no physical activity all seem to age faster as well (not surprising).

After all that, maybe anabolics help. It's very hard to make that comparison because people on anabolics take their training and nutrition very seriously, so it's difficult to compare them to just anyone. But genetics make or break everything in my opinion. You can do everything right, natty or not, but if you're dealt a bad hand and have Alzheimer's in your 50s then you're not going to age well. And some people have no issues whatsoever... they feel great, have energy, no joint or muscle pain, etc.

If you're talking about looking younger rather than feeling younger than that is a different story as the two are very different. Looking younger seems to be solved by plastic surgery, botox, makeup, etc. Although even that I think can be largely genetic as well.

 

[Smont]

I have no idea. If I were to guess, then I would say anecdotally that genetics play a huge role in aging. Some people just have better genetics. Others are genetically predisposed to a lot of different cancers, diabetes, heart disease etc., and these things can take a toll over time and age you faster in my opinion. After that I would say diet and lifestyle plays a significant role. People who eat like crap, drink a lot of alcohol, smoke regularly, and get no physical activity all seem to age faster as well (not surprising).

After all that, maybe anabolics help. It's very hard to make that comparison because people on anabolics take their training and nutrition very seriously, so it's difficult to compare them to just anyone. But genetics make or break everything in my opinion. You can do everything right, natty or not, but if you're dealt a bad hand and have Alzheimer's in your 50s then you're not going to age well. And some people have no issues whatsoever... they feel great, have energy, no joint or muscle pain, etc.

If you're talking about looking younger rather than feeling younger than that is a different story as the two are very different. Looking younger seems to be solved by plastic surgery, botox, makeup, etc. Although even that I think can be largely genetic as well.

Yvery good point about people who take performance drugs taking better care of themselves. Well, some do and others do double damage thinking steroids means you can **** off and eat shitty.

But with the things (ped) we have at our disposal, coupled with good nutrition, exercise and monitoring yiur health. There's no doubt that the combination of those things can dramatically improve quality of life. The world may be a shitty place overall but we live in a great time when it comes to the way we can Manipulate the way we look and feel.

 

[Resolve10]

This is comming from a natural btw

since nattys have to stress there body to a larger degree for less muscle, and since they have worse recovery

and we don’t get to enjoy the enhanced bone growth/bone retention which plays a huge role in how old you look. Probably the biggest factor

would someone age better running low dose purely anobolic orals/sarms only with no test base? Maybe run something for estrogen and just accept the fact you’ll feel like **** sometimes

compared to the natty who’s bone deteriorates

I'm not trying to be rude, but this is a weird question, with some weird assumptions, with some weird trains of thought.

Working out will greatly diminish losses on bone mineral density. There is a load that goes into that, but using hormones for that purpose seems odd, unless I am completely missing something here.

 

[akboom87]

I have no idea. If I were to guess, then I would say anecdotally that genetics play a huge role in aging. Some people just have better genetics. Others are genetically predisposed to a lot of different cancers, diabetes, heart disease etc., and these things can take a toll over time and age you faster in my opinion. After that I would say diet and lifestyle plays a significant role. People who eat like crap, drink a lot of alcohol, smoke regularly, and get no physical activity all seem to age faster as well (not surprising).

After all that, maybe anabolics help. It's very hard to make that comparison because people on anabolics take their training and nutrition very seriously, so it's difficult to compare them to just anyone. But genetics make or break everything in my opinion. You can do everything right, natty or not, but if you're dealt a bad hand and have Alzheimer's in your 50s then you're not going to age well. And some people have no issues whatsoever... they feel great, have energy, no joint or muscle pain, etc.

If you're talking about looking younger rather than feeling younger than that is a different story as the two are very different. Looking younger seems to be solved by plastic surgery, botox, makeup, etc. Although even that I think can be largely genetic as well.

I think this is also a big factor, genetics and lifestyle can play the biggest role in my opinion. I also see the argument for anabolic’s.
Then say you have a person that is blessed with great genetics and a good lifestyle, (active,nutrition,takes good care of yourself) and then you add in trt all combined together, do you have the perfect recipe?

I don’t know, but a very interesting topic.

 

[Smont]

I'm not trying to be rude, but this is a weird question, with some weird assumptions, with some weird trains of thought.

Working out will greatly diminish losses on bone mineral density. There is a load that goes into that, but using hormones for that purpose seems odd, unless I am completely missing something here.

I can definitely agree with this. I originally just read his question without reading the whole post. There's lots of speculation or assumptions being made that are very random.

 

[Smont]

I also don't want People to misunderstand my posts and think I'm saying that taking anabolics is healthy or will make someone healthier. I think there are very few rare situations where that would be true.

But I also think it's foolish to think someone in there 50's, 60's or older who is natural is going to feel better or perform better at basically anything then there enhanced counter parts.

That's why there called PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS.

 

[Mikereyn513]

I think if you're on trt and keep it towards the top of the reference range along with 2-3 ius of gh you'll age better than a natty. Like @Smont said don't abuse them, absolutely no orals, and then peptides as needed

 

[Stacks1]

But I also think it's foolish to think someone in there 50's, 60's or older who is natural is going to feel better or perform better at basically anything then there enhanced counter parts.

Agreed they obviously they won't perform better athletically than someone who is enhanced. Feel better? Kind of hard to say. Feeling good can be very subjective. I am also a big believer that when we talk about feeling good it goes way beyond just physical health but is also largely related to having good mental health as well. You can have the best body in the world but if you're mental health isn't good then you're never going to feel good.

Just a little reminder to people that health and wellbeing goes beyond just physical health.

 

[Smont]

Agreed they obviously they won't perform better athletically than someone who is enhanced. Feel better? Kind of hard to say. Feeling good can be very subjective. I am also a big believer that when we talk about feeling good it goes way beyond just physical health but is also largely related to having good mental health as well. You can have the best body in the world but if you're mental health isn't good then you're never going to feel good.

Just a little reminder to people that health and wellbeing goes beyond just physical health.

On cycles I typically feel better, what i mean by feel better is more energy, more drive, less stress and anxiety. I just overall feel good. Not a huge difference from natty or trt because I always feel good for the most part.

I might be a outlier tho. I have very little changes on cycle vs natty. For the past 3 or 4 years I've been trying to figure out if I act any different on or off cycle. I've asked me friends, my girl, my kids. No1 seems to notice any difference nor do I. I was actually more aggressive before I used gear. I was fighting or wrestling and grappling competitive at the time, arrested for assault twice (not guilty verdict both times lol) since I been on gear I've never once got in trouble or had any kind of outburst. But that could also just be maturity as I'm getting older.

This entire topic is very subjective to people's opinions and personal experience

 

[Stacks1]

On cycles I typically feel better, what i mean by feel better is more energy, more drive, less stress and anxiety. I just overall feel good. Not a huge difference from natty or trt because I always feel good for the most part.

I might be a outlier tho. I have very little changes on cycle vs natty. For the past 3 or 4 years I've been trying to figure out if I act any different on or off cycle. I've asked me friends, my girl, my kids. No1 seems to notice any difference nor do I. I was actually more aggressive before I used gear. I was fighting or wrestling and grappling competitive at the time, arrested for assault twice (not guilty verdict both times lol) since I been on gear I've never once got in trouble or had any kind of outburst. But that could also just be maturity as I'm getting older.

This entire topic is very subjective to people's opinions and personal experience

Agreed. Everyone feels and reacts differently to things. I feel good on cycle but I know someone who appears to get more paranoid on cycle... like they always think something is wrong with them like they become a hypochondriac. I could never cycle if I felt that way but they continue to do so. It's like THC in some ways. Some people feel great, relaxed, and creative. Others feel tired and sleepy. And some get super paranoid. There just isn't a universal answer to it as everyone is different. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Renew1]

I'm not trying to be rude, but this is a weird question, with some weird assumptions, with some weird trains of thought.

Working out will greatly diminish losses on bone mineral density. There is a load that goes into that, but using hormones for that purpose seems odd, unless I am completely missing something here.

I agree with what you're saying.

But:

using hormones for that purpose seems odd

He said:

purely anobolic orals/sarms only

Which brings the natural question:.
@Honta .... Which Purely Anabolic orals and SARMs are you referring to?

 

[Smont]

I agree with what you're saying.

But:


He said:

Which brings the natural question:.
@Honta .... Which Purely Anabolic orals and SARMs are you referring to?

Sarms are a tough one. I'm a fan of a few and obviously a rep for a retailer of sarms. I'm confident that most of them are good to go but we only have about 20 years of data on sarms vs. The 75 years on most other ped's.

It's tought to say a sarm is gonna make us age better or improve bone density in the long term because no1 Has gone through life on sarms like they have on test or deca or dbol ect.

If I'm still alive in 30 years IL report back lol

 

[Jeremyk1]

If I'm still alive in 30 years IL report back lol

If you die, please still update us. I’m sure you’ll have useful information.

 

[Honta]

I agree with what you're saying.

But:


He said:

Which brings the natural question:.
@Honta .... Which Purely Anabolic orals and SARMs are you referring to?

sarms and orals that increase bone density and collagen senthesis like anavar

im ganna make another post on this cause it deserves its own post. but there’s this guy (it’s on video) he’s 52 and looks 30.

He’s only ran masteron, var, and winstrol for 30 years straight no breaks with no test base and never coming off (I know crazy lmao)

he didn’t hop on trt till 50 and he’s 52 now

I believe the reason why he didn’t age much is because he was never on TRT. Never ran a test base. He basically had low t for 30 years straight yet felt fine from the compounds he was running

here he is:

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now at 52 he’s running 125mg a week. But he literally didn’t run a test base for 30 years straight lmao

 

[Honta]

I'm not trying to be rude, but this is a weird question, with some weird assumptions, with some weird trains of thought.

Working out will greatly diminish losses on bone mineral density. There is a load that goes into that, but using hormones for that purpose seems odd, unless I am completely missing something here.

I would think working out just increases bone density in the part of the body you’re working and not the face/all over

and the face losing bone mass is what shows it’s age

 

[Smont]

sarms and orals that increase bone density and collagen senthesis like anavar

im ganna make another post on this cause it deserves its own post. but basically there’s this guy (it’s on video) he’s 52 and looks 30.

He’s ran masteron, var, and winstrol for 30 years straight no breaks with no test base and never coming off(I know crazy lmao)

he didn’t hop on trt till 50 and he’s 52 now

I believe the reason why he didn’t age much is because he was never on TRT. Never ran a test base. He basically had low t for 30 years straight yet felt fine from the compounds he was running

here he is:

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Everything that involves Tony huge you should flush down the toilet before you hurt yourself

 

[Resolve10]

I would think working out just increases bone density in the part of the body you’re working and not the face/all over

and the face losing bone mass is what shows it’s age

I am going to be honest I am still completely lost. You didn't state anything like that in the original post.

Is losing bone mass in the face really a thing that shows age? I've literally never heard of that, but also never thought about it...

Based on your other post about that youtube video I think I am being trolled.

 

[Smont]

I am going to be honest I am still completely lost. You didn't state anything like that in the original post.

Is losing bone mass in the face really a thing that shows age? I've literally never heard of that, but also never thought about it...

Based on your other post about that youtube video I think I am being trolled.

I think it's not so much trolling as it is someone who really doesn't understand these things so every time the read something it's like a new fact for them so they have a bunch of speculation on random related topics.

I'm not sure what I just said makes a whole lot of sense unless the person reading knows exactly what I'm getting at

 

[cruze1911r1]

For me personally..


1. Spiritual well being comes first - being covered by the blood of Christ. 1 Corinthians 15: 1-4 KJV

2. Mental and physical follow the Spiritual.

If I don't put the emphasis on staying right with Him my mental health goes to crap and my workouts suffer.

How fast or slow I age doesn't change the inevitable. Where am I going when it's all over? As far as anabolics go, I just started test at age 37 so we'll see what happens. I'm looking forward to the journey

 

[Jeremyk1]

If I don't put the emphasis on staying right with Him my mental health goes to crap and my workouts suffer.

To each his own, I suppose. For me, my mental health improved substantially after I stopped worrying about big brother looking over my shoulder.

 

[Resolve10]

So I did find studies showing that facial bone loss is something that causes changes to facial structure with age. So I did learn something. Never thought about that, but now OP has sent me down a rabbit hole wondering what ways to possibly combat that if at all possible.

 

[johnny412]

sarms and orals that increase bone density and collagen senthesis like anavar

im ganna make another post on this cause it deserves its own post. but there’s this guy (it’s on video) he’s 52 and looks 30.

He’s only ran masteron, var, and winstrol for 30 years straight no breaks with no test base and never coming off (I know crazy lmao)

he didn’t hop on trt till 50 and he’s 52 now

I believe the reason why he didn’t age much is because he was never on TRT. Never ran a test base. He basically had low t for 30 years straight yet felt fine from the compounds he was running

here he is:

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now at 52 he’s running 125mg a week. But he literally didn’t run a test base for 30 years straight lmao

and what exactly makes you think hes telling the truth? lol

 

[Honta]

So I did find studies showing that facial bone loss is something that causes changes to facial structure with age. So I did learn something. Never thought about that, but now OP has sent me down a rabbit hole wondering what ways to possibly combat that if at all possible.

the bone loss that causes the most visual aging is in the orbitals and maxilla. They say it doesn’t start till 35ish but it can happen at any age if you’re dieting down and ****. Can even happen in early 20s if you’re dieting down hard enough. Dieting down reduces bone mass like crazy which is a negetive for a natty. I’ve also seen it start at like 25 for most dudes

u can mega dose k2 to combat it

I made this post for that. Sarms are made for people with osteoporisis/bone loss and muscle wasting. I also think anavar may add bone density but I could be completely wrong

So nattys have to deal with extra bone loss and enhanced users get the bone retention benefit

 

[Honta]

and what exactly makes you think hes telling the truth? lol

why would the man lie about that tho? It just makes no sense lol. Why would he admit to using 3 harsh orals and not admit to trt/test base (which have a worse stigma than trt which has no stigma)

it just makes no sense

 

[Smont]

why would the man lie tho? Lol. Why would he admit to using 3 harsh orals and not admit to trt/test base (which have a worse stigma than trt which has no stigma)

it just makes no sense

Because people run out of ideas for videos and make up ****. Even if it's all legit. He would be a extreme outlier and there's a massive probability it doesn't relate to you or us

 

[Honta]

Because people run out of ideas for videos and make up ****. Even if it's all legit. He would be a extreme outlier and there's a massive probability it doesn't relate to you or us

I’m just curious how it would work out if it’s legit. Like how would those 3 compounds workout

where does the estrogen come from? Is mast giving him androgenic benefits without the androgenic sides? Etc

although tony huge is snakeoil salesman sometimes, this guy is just a random gym goer they interviewed to never be seen on camera again. Not to mention it’s not like the main them of the vid was that he didn’t use a test base

 

[KvanH]

May not increase bone density, but 'vibration' or light percussion/impact can help maintain bone density, like running and jumping and such activities.

Don't know how well that applies to facial bones in practice, buy maybe one could enter the new Dana White slap league in the lightest division to get some slaps on the face, without taking too much of a damage, lol.

 

[Smont]

I’m just curious how it would work out if it’s legit. Like how would those 3 compounds workout

where does the estrogen come from? Is mast giving him androgenic benefits without the androgenic sides? Etc

although tony huge is snakeoil salesman sometimes, this guy is just a random gym goer they interviewed to never be seen on camera again. Not to mention it’s not like the main them of the vid was that he didn’t use a test base

99.9999999% of ppl can't do what this guy did, if he even did. It's so useless to the masses that it's not worth looking into. At least not for me or 99.99999% of the population.

If you're that interested to figure it out then there is only 1 thing that's going to give you your answers.

Go get baseline bloodwork, copy his e act cycle and never come off, get bloodwork every 3 months along the way

 

[Smont]

Also, why would a random gym goer lie? Because humans lie, it's in our nature. Humans also have this extreme need or want to feel special.

Hey look what I did, I did it my way and it worked great, I'm special.

1 thing that may or may not have been done by 1 random person tells us nothing.

Now if you get 500 ppl to replicate this then we will be on to something. But 499 of those ppl will probably end up feeling like dogshit, get erectile dysfunction and a whole slew of lipid related health problems