Unanswered Will lowering my estrogen help me cut?

[drejb]

Hey guys. Exactly 4 weeks out to my wedding (sept 7) followed by 1 week beach weekend with literally everyone I know. I’ve got a decent amount of muscle right now but could use a good cut without adjusting my TRT

Currently on 120mg Test E
1mg Adex
1000iu HCG a week

Same protocol for about 2 years



My estro usually sits at 120-140 pmol/l

Doc says that range is okay because it’ll help with joint support and other things, also not a risk factor because I’m not far above normal levels

Will raising my adex .5mg a week help shed a little puffiness? I can see my abs but feel a little fluffy soft

Let me kno what u think and as always thanks in advance for the info

 

[ValiantThor08]

It could potentially help with your goals if it does not end up crushing your e2. If you plan to up your adex, why not start at .25mg.

 

[MarkoK87]

It can help you to cut, but also on low estro you can't build muscle mass

 

[drejb]

It could potentially help with your goals if it does not end up crushing your e2. If you plan to up your adex, why not start at .25mg.

I’m gonna try to bump it .25

 

[drejb]

It could potentially help with your goals if it does not end up crushing your e2. If you plan to up your adex, why not start at .25mg.

What would be considered crushing my e2? I’ve always sat around 35-40pg/ml

 

[drejb]

It could potentially help with your goals if it does not end up crushing your e2. If you plan to up your adex, why not start at .25mg.

What would be considered crushing my e2? I’ve always sat around 35-40pg/ml

 

[drejb]

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[drejb]

It could potentially help with your goals if it does not end up crushing your e2. If you plan to up your adex, why not start at .25mg.

What would be considered crushing my e2? I’ve always sat around 35-40pg/ml

 

[drejb]

Sorry for the multi posts my Tapatalk app is having problems

 

[drejb]

Sorry for the multi posts my Tapatalk app is having problems

 

[Renew1]

What would be considered crushing my e2? I’ve always sat around 35-40pg/ml

If you're as high as you say now, and you usually sit there ^^ , I wouldn't go below 35, personally. No need in feeling crappy, IMO.

 

[drejb]

If you're as high as you say now, and you usually sit there ^^ , I wouldn't go below 35, personally. No need in feeling crappy, IMO.

Ok sweet. I’ve been reading the forum and others have said it should sit around 20. Which is why I feel I was high. 35 is about 120pmol on a 60/160 scale here in Canada

 

[drejb]

If you're as high as you say now, and you usually sit there ^^ , I wouldn't go below 35, personally. No need in feeling crappy, IMO.

Ok sweet. I’ve been reading the forum and others have said it should sit around 20. Which is why I feel I was high. 35 is about 120pmol on a 60/160 scale here in Canada

 

[MarkoK87]

Ok sweet. I’ve been reading the forum and others have said it should sit around 20. Which is why I feel I was high. 35 is about 120pmol on a 60/160 scale here in Canada

25-30 is perfect

 

[Hyde]

Add a little AI, it will help cut. Add extra cardio sessions and try to stand, walk & fidget more (obviously in conjunction with a caloric deficit you can live with). You may need to lighten your lifting slightly if joints get too crispy; just don’t injure yourself. The diet is more important than the training to bring the best beach package. This is only for 4 weeks.

Take some Dandelion root, B complex, a pump product, and a quality GDA with you on the trip. Maybe ashwaganda too. These all should be taken 2-3 times through the day to help keep subcutaneous water down. You don’t wanna really pull back on water consumption because you are at the beach and wanna have fun, not feel dehydrated, but these will still help your appearance slightly. Definitely made a positive difference when I had my beach wedding with friends and family in May.

 

[drejb]

Add a little AI, it will help cut. Add extra cardio sessions and try to stand, walk & fidget more (obviously in conjunction with a caloric deficit you can live with). You may need to lighten your lifting slightly if joints get too crispy; just don’t injure yourself. The diet is more important than the training to bring the best beach package. This is only for 4 weeks.

Take some Dandelion root, B complex, a pump product, and a quality GDA with you on the trip. Maybe ashwaganda too. These all should be taken 2-3 times through the day to help keep subcutaneous water down. You don’t wanna really pull back on water consumption because you are at the beach and wanna have fun, not feel dehydrated, but these will still help your appearance slightly. Definitely made a positive difference when I had my beach wedding with friends and family in May.

Great info thanks! Will grab all that stuff tomorrow

 

[drejb]

Add a little AI, it will help cut. Add extra cardio sessions and try to stand, walk & fidget more (obviously in conjunction with a caloric deficit you can live with). You may need to lighten your lifting slightly if joints get too crispy; just don’t injure yourself. The diet is more important than the training to bring the best beach package. This is only for 4 weeks.

Take some Dandelion root, B complex, a pump product, and a quality GDA with you on the trip. Maybe ashwaganda too. These all should be taken 2-3 times through the day to help keep subcutaneous water down. You don’t wanna really pull back on water consumption because you are at the beach and wanna have fun, not feel dehydrated, but these will still help your appearance slightly. Definitely made a positive difference when I had my beach wedding with friends and family in May.

P.s

Not too sure what a GDA is.

Also I’m a barber and I stand and move all day

 

[Hyde]

P.s

Not too sure what a GDA is.

Also I’m a barber and I stand and move all day

Glucose Disposal Agent. Basically helps clear glucose from the bloodstream faster. They tend to help you stay a little more full. About 150-250mg Berberine and a B complex pill with your meals through a peak day will help store it better. Controlled Labs makes a product called Blue Sugar if you want a premade GDA product, but Berberine is your number #1 workhorse here.

 

[ItalOne]

Damn you aromatize like crazy!! One gram of Adex on 120mg would absolutely bury my E2.
I don’t take and AI until I get up 400 mg test e.
NO lowering your estrogen will NOT help with fat at all! It will put your dick in the dirt and give you ache joints. It will dry you out, make you more vascular and help with bloat. All which help give a visually lean impression.

It will not help you drop bf %

 

[Nac]

Yeah, man, I personally wouldnt be putting the working of my dick at risk leading up to my own wedding.

 

[Chados]

Bloat could decrease if its too high.

 

[Hyde]

Yeah, man, I personally wouldnt be putting the working of my dick at risk leading up to my own wedding.

We’re talking about bumping his AI just a tad for a month, not bombing 2mg of letro daily to eliminate his estrogen.

 

[Nac]

We’re talking about bumping his AI just a tad for a month, not bombing 2mg of letro daily to eliminate his estrogen.

So the AI dose change will definitely help lose bfat, but definitely not affect anything else? Your extreme example seems a bit disengenuous.

Maybe it will work out in his favour, maybe not. But fuking with your AI/e2 in this context seems like a pretty risky way to achieve bfat loss.

 

[drejb]

Good to know. Bumped it .25 in my last weeks dose but now I’m a bit paranoid so I’m gonna go back to my original dose

 

[drejb]

Damn you aromatize like crazy!! One gram of Adex on 120mg would absolutely bury my E2.
I don’t take and AI until I get up 400 mg test e.
NO lowering your estrogen will NOT help with fat at all! It will put your dick in the dirt and give you ache joints. It will dry you out, make you more vascular and help with bloat. All which help give a visually lean impression.

It will not help you drop bf %

Always had an issue with aromatization. Before I even started TRT my E2 was already high and my test was real low.

 

[Hyde]

So the AI dose change will definitely help lose bfat, but definitely not affect anything else? Your extreme example seems a bit disengenuous.

Maybe it will work out in his favour, maybe not. But fuking with your AI/e2 in this context seems like a pretty risky way to achieve bfat loss.

And you are worrying without just cause. He’s 4 weeks away. Make a small change now and see how it plays out. If it makes too profound a difference in libido then he can revert back to original dosing in a couple weeks prior to the wedding, but he may find his libido even rise!

I cannot say for sure it will help lose fat, but it’s my understanding that high estrogen promotes fat gain - I can say with absolutely certainty running more AI will dry him out more and produce a better look at the beach, and worsen his lipid profile. But again, we are talking about a minute tweak, nothing radical. This worked in my favor personally.

The diet still does all the work, and without it it’s a moot point, in any case.