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Will dermacrine (test base) hinder bulking?

Brutus007

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hello, i am about to run a Epi/Tren cycle at 40 mg per day, with proper cycle support and i just purchased Dermacrine, to run as a test base. I am looking to bulk 10-15 pounds with a calorie intake of 3500-4500 a day.

I purchased this to combat lethargy and to keep test levels up so i don't completely shut down (DHEA)
however, i have seen that people use dermacrine as a fat burner and to not gain weight, so will the addition of this product cause my bulking cycle to be ineffective and cause me to not gain any weight?

any advice would be appreciated! thanks in advance
 
Dermacrine would not hinder your results in any way. It is, as you said, a form of a test base, which should give you the effects of having test in your system, but it will ABSOLUTELY NOT prevent shutdown. You are taking a suppressive prohormone, and there is nothing you can do to prevent the shutdown of your natural test. Your best course of action after taking your prohormone(s) is to follow up with a proper pct including a serm preferably clomid, but that doesn't guarantee you to recover fully. When you choose to play with your hormones, you need to accept the potential consequences not only in the short term, but the long term as well. My advice to you, is to take a step back and research prohormones more, how to cycle, and make sure your diet is straight. If you are under 21, do not under any circumstance take prohormones.
 
Thanks for the advice, I know I am under 21, but my mind is made up so I am just trying to make this as safe as possible. but I have done more research than it looks and I'm fitting in the last few puzzle pieces before I start. However, I thought people recommended Novadex instead of clomid because the effective dosage is lower than clomids needs to be, and although clomid raises Test levels faster, Nova has better long te results. Any opinions on that?
 
Brutus007 said:
Thanks for the advice, I know I am under 21, but my mind is made up so I am just trying to make this as safe as possible. but I have done more research than it looks and I'm fitting in the last few puzzle pieces before I start. However, I thought people recommended Novadex instead of clomid because the effective dosage is lower than clomids needs to be, and although clomid raises Test levels faster, Nova has better long te results. Any opinions on that?
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you are not finished development till about age 24-25, using hormones before then cam halt or mess up your development for life. wait 3-4 more years ..

ps. clomid alone sis better than nolva alone in pct, but both at a lower dose it better.
 
Blergs is right. Wait. There is no reason to rush. Bodybuilding is a marathon not a sprint. Also if you are so sure that you want to run a PH go and get your natural testosterone and free testosterone checked first to see where you sit. That way you will know further down the road where your natural levels were before you decided to screw them all up. It will give you a baseline as to where you should be when off cycle. Also if you want to do things the right way you need to get used to get bloods done because it is the only way to know where you are at health wise and whether or not you have recovered from a cycle fully.
 
Hes gonna do it anyway (although you shouldn't and def need more years and research) here are some pointers.
First cycle use only one compound plus your base, NO TREN FIRST CYCLE. Epi/Dermacrine or hdrol/Dermacrine. Serm selection is personal preference, but people dont choose because of the mg, they work through different pathway to restore production. Dont use nolva with tren, dont know if that applies to tren ph,s.

Final thought. Your too young and you should wait till ur 24/25, or at least till you have done the proper research which could take years. Either way be safe and take all proper precautions and dont forget oncycle support. Liver, bp, estrogen, prolactin, during pct theres a risk of estrogen rebound so you need a ai to taper off of. If you dont understand any of those things then dont start a cycle and hop on that google button, good luck.
 
lol don't worry, I've been researching PHs for almost a full year now. Everything you mentioned I already had covered. I just finished My epi/tren cycle three weeks ago, and gained 15 pounds on cycle and although Ive lost a little weight, Ive been able to maintain my strength gains through PCT. Very impressed and I would say that it was successful.
 
well I ran tren higher so the only sides I experienced were headaches from high blood pressure during the last week of the cycle. Also, because I row for my college, I got horrible shin splints during season while running. Nothing like back pumps or anything else though
 
Ive never tried any tren ph's, herd alot of bad sides, main worry was libido issues. Good run, might have to throw it in my spring run.
 
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