Why the PH ban will hurt people.

R1187

R1187

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The compounds in designer steroids may have been dubious compared to say legit test or dbol, but the bottom line is it was something you could buy legally and be relatively certain of exactly what was going in your body.

The only alternative now (besides not cycling at all) is black market steroids. I try to research everything I do, but at the end of the day I'm sticking myself with a syringe containing something I can't be sure about because it didn't come from a pharmacy.

Sure, none of the PHs were regulated by the FDA either. But it was still something people could easily get and thus with the help of forums such as this one, people could review the product and brand and generally know for sure which products were legit and how they have affected people.

Now that this is gone, people may delve into the black market which can be quite dirty and tainted.

Just my thoughts.
 
i agree as well.
 
After my current cycle I wanted to run Primo and Masteron but I keep reading that its almost always faked. It would suck if you bought some dry compounds and started getting some estro sides.
 
JPSwole said:
After my current cycle I wanted to run Primo and Masteron but I keep reading that its almost always faked. It would suck if you bought some dry compounds and started getting some estro sides.
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Bunk gear is my biggest fear. And even if there's something anabolic in there who knows if it's dosed properly.
 
While I agree with you the politicians have a completely different perspective on this issue.

From their perspective they were banning products labeled as steroids and helping create a fair dietary supplement industry. The lobbyists behind the bill who were giving the politicians money found a cheap way to get more effective products off the market. The politicians were sort of like their puppets.

I doubt most politicians are even remotely aware of how easy it is to obtain AAS for the average joe.
 
Royd The Noyd said:
I doubt most politicians are even remotely aware of how easy it is to obtain AAS for the average joe.
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I'm not sure I know how to get it though.

All I guess I can do is review and research certain websites, send money with my fingers crossed, and if I actually get a product hope it's not rat poison.
 
LG still has a ton of products that didn't get hit with the ban hammer. You can check them out below.
 
R1187, let me tell you a great testimony of my experience with bunk AAS and the lasting damages it has caused. In my early 20's (I'm 31 now) I messed with a few cycles of Test Cyp, Winny, TBOL. I then had the bravado to take a chance with a Deca and Sustanon cycle and the negative effects still haunt me today. I swear I got every Deca side effect known to man at 400mg a week, the Sustanon I took was to be dosed at 500mg. I swear to you, the Sustanon by British Dragon I received from a Chinese supplier was total bunk bull ****. Since that cycle, coupled with a bunk PCT more than likely I have suffered with low testosterone/secondary hypogonadism. Seriously sucks man, yeah I probably was predisposed with a weak endocrine system but that is the biggest reason i won't get AAS off the streets. I stocked up from Olympus Labs and AAR of a bunch of pro hormones for future use. I'm currently taking TRT and will be on the rest of my life. Really don't mind TRT but Deca ruined my life, that **** is severely harsh and if you take it, better make damn sure the testosterone stacked with it is real.
 
Being 4 weeks into my 2nd cycle, I can now say that my first batch of gear was either cut with something real sketchy, underdosed, or bunk or more than likely a combination of the 3. Gotta trust your source.
 
hardtoget said:
R1187, let me tell you a great testimony of my experience with bunk AAS and the lasting damages it has caused. In my early 20's (I'm 31 now) I messed with a few cycles of Test Cyp, Winny, TBOL. I then had the bravado to take a chance with a Deca and Sustanon cycle and the negative effects still haunt me today. I swear I got every Deca side effect known to man at 400mg a week, the Sustanon I took was to be dosed at 500mg. I swear to you, the Sustanon by British Dragon I received from a Chinese supplier was total bunk bull ****. Since that cycle, coupled with a bunk PCT more than likely I have suffered with low testosterone/secondary hypogonadism. Seriously sucks man, yeah I probably was predisposed with a weak endocrine system but that is the biggest reason i won't get AAS off the streets. I stocked up from Olympus Labs and AAR of a bunch of pro hormones for future use. I'm currently taking TRT and will be on the rest of my life. Really don't mind TRT but Deca ruined my life, that **** is severely harsh and if you take it, better make damn sure the testosterone stacked with it is real.
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A poor cycle won't ruin your endocrine system for the rest of your life. Sorry bud, the body doesn't work like that. Go spout your garbage somewhere else.
 
Rhadam said:
A poor cycle won't ruin your endocrine system for the rest of your life. Sorry bud, the body doesn't work like that. Go spout your garbage somewhere else.
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in all fairness, if one cycle *can't ruin your body for the rest of your life, why bother telling young teens, young adults to avoid aas till they reach a certain age like the majority of people do on this forum? i mean one cycle can't ruin their endocrine system so why bother telling them not do it? every body is different, and from the knowledge you share on this forum, I'd assume you would understand that every human body is unique in how it reacts to different things. Also he was sharing his experience and giving food for thought to people.

In Rhadam's words "If you put an exogenous hormone in your body, that will most likely shut down, everybody will react the same way and bounce back because it was only one poor cycle."

Sorry Rhadam, not all body's work like that. There was no need to call his post garbage dude.
 
After personally having some 'weird' experiences from substances I believed were one thing but were something else, I tend to agree here. What I don't agree with is PH were all safe and good - they were never trialled with round after round of testing that real AAS has gone through (millions of pounds worth) as its for the general public. So, yes we knew the short term effects of say high blood pressure liver enzymes etc. we didn't actually know what was going on (long term still awaits a generation to 'look back' as we do now with 70's bodybuilding culture
The demand for real stuff will only increase, as will the sources, and quality sources. I think it will actually get better.

However lets not forget SARMS. They are the future of muscle tissue expansion without the side effects. You can buy Sarms now, from many sources legitimately, so no need to delve into the battery acid world of 'research' chem sites that take zero responsibility. There are lots doing ostarine now, in capsule form.
 
After personally having some 'weird' experiences from substances I believed were one thing but were something else, I tend to agree here. What I don't agree with is PH were all safe and good - they were never trialled with round after round of testing that real AAS has gone through (millions of pounds worth) as its for the general public. So, yes we knew the short term effects of say high blood pressure liver enzymes etc. we didn't actually know what was going on (long term still awaits a generation to 'look back' as we do now with 70's bodybuilding culture
The demand for real stuff will only increase, as will the sources, and quality sources. I think it will actually get better.

However lets not forget SARMS. They are the future of muscle tissue expansion without the side effects. You can buy Sarms now, from many sources legitimately, so no need to delve into the battery acid world of 'research' chem sites that take zero responsibility. There are lots doing ostarine now, in capsule form.
 
hardtoget said:
R1187, let me tell you a great testimony of my experience with bunk AAS and the lasting damages it has caused. In my early 20's (I'm 31 now) I messed with a few cycles of Test Cyp, Winny, TBOL. I then had the bravado to take a chance with a Deca and Sustanon cycle and the negative effects still haunt me today. I swear I got every Deca side effect known to man at 400mg a week, the Sustanon I took was to be dosed at 500mg. I swear to you, the Sustanon by British Dragon I received from a Chinese supplier was total bunk bull ****. Since that cycle, coupled with a bunk PCT more than likely I have suffered with low testosterone/secondary hypogonadism. Seriously sucks man, yeah I probably was predisposed with a weak endocrine system but that is the biggest reason i won't get AAS off the streets. I stocked up from Olympus Labs and AAR of a bunch of pro hormones for future use. I'm currently taking TRT and will be on the rest of my life. Really don't mind TRT but Deca ruined my life, that **** is severely harsh and if you take it, better make damn sure the testosterone stacked with it is real.
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Get bloods done and go get some nolva/clomid/hcg/whatever you need to get back to normal?
 
Have tried that with no success I just came off a 5 month protocol of clomid with HCG and energy has gone down immensely.
 
mixedup said:
What's wrong with lg products they are innovators they brought stano methyl alpha and other great compounds to the market
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I wouldn't take any of their products if you paid me. If you didn't stock up on LGI, Celtic, or Iron Legion products- you are basically F'd at this point. Those are top of the line manufacturers that give results plain and simple.
 
PH/DS were and are far worse for you than the "traditional" AAS. Finding legit AAS is not hard at all especially in this age of the Internet. Letting any person be able to buy a concoction of methylated compounds without any knowledge of PCT, support supps, etc. is a recipe for disaster because most of the demographic is completely unaware of what they're taking. Part of the problem lies within each person to do their research, but, the truth is, we have no idea what most of the last wave of compounds really were since they're so obscure.
 
R1187 said:
I'm not sure I know how to get it though.

All I guess I can do is review and research certain websites, send money with my fingers crossed, and if I actually get a product hope it's not rat poison.
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This. Plus you run all the legal risks in obtaining said rat poison.
 
barrymcokiner said:
I wouldn't take any of their products if you paid me. If you didn't stock up on LGI, Celtic, or Iron Legion products- you are basically F'd at this point. Those are top of the line manufacturers that give results plain and simple.
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Dammit then I'm f'd
 
I remember taking something from LG way back when I started some kind of liquid ph I forgot the name , all it did was give me acne on my shoulders ever since never again, I agree with barrymcokiner Iron Legion was the best thing I ever took which is why I stocked up on there stuff and currently running a Nano Mithras/ Msten 11kt stack, Iron Legion will be missed for sure. Now Its gonna be tough finding a legit supplier not selling test instead of primobolan etc.
 
R1187 said:
I'm not sure I know how to get it though.

All I guess I can do is review and research certain websites, send money with my fingers crossed, and if I actually get a product hope it's not rat poison.
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Its really not that hard lol
 
T-Bone said:
I think some people just have more to lose personally and don't think it's worth the risk of being incarcerated.
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I can tell you with complete honestly when I say unless you're a supplier of big amounts of AAS or operate a lab, there won't be any incarceration. Our system is so clogged up from drug addicts committing crimes to fuel their addiction. You'll never catch me climbing through a window for gear. Most that I've seen happen was a very small fine and in rare instances court mandated out patient treatment programs, that is if you've been a heavy user and are truly addicted to gear. As far as USC goes, if you took the gamble to have something shipped to your residence, one again granted it is in the amount of personal use and not distribution..you're not going to get any suits knocking on your door. A simple confiscation notice will be sent and you'll be burned on whatever you spent. Not condoning it, but just saying, don't think personal AAS use is looked at like other regulated substances because they are most certainly not.
 
T-Bone said:
I think some people just have more to lose personally and don't think it's worth the risk of being incarcerated.
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Can it really come down to that for "personal use" ???

Worst I've heard is customs snatches it and you receive a letter in the mail. Was told to throw letter away and never reply, and if it came down to it, deny every ordering anything.

Edit: ArmstrongBrah beat me to it.
 
R1187 said:
Can it really come down to that for "personal use" ???

Worst I've heard is customs snatches it and you receive a letter in the mail. Was told to throw letter away and never reply, and if it came down to it, deny every ordering anything.

Edit: ArmstrongBrah beat me to it.
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That's exactly what you do and the amount they consider supplier level can very like they can go buy pill so if you had 5mg tabs of dbol instead of 25mg tabs you'd have 5x as much which could say your a supplier
 
mixedup said:
That's exactly what you do and the amount they consider supplier level can very like they can go buy pill so if you had 5mg tabs of dbol instead of 25mg tabs you'd have 5x as much which could say your a supplier
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Let me just clear the air again. Even if you had (200) -50mg tabs of Dbol come through. They still will not bother. I've had the chance to meet plenty of custom agents along the way and the paperwork that comes along with a seizure and a visit to your doorstep is ridiculous and takes days to complete among the rest of their duties. If you get a rookie who wants to be captain America and take all that paperwork he just completed to his superiors desk for further instruction, chances are he will get a lecture about how he is wasting Americas time. Like I said, bigger fish to fry with customs. They are worried about containers of narcotics, explosives/guns, and people. I need to repeat myself, I can not condone the shipment of any banned substance. I am just laying down some knowledge for y'all.
 
barrymcokiner said:
I wouldn't take any of their products if you paid me. If you didn't stock up on LGI, Celtic, or Iron Legion products- you are basically F'd at this point. Those are top of the line manufacturers that give results plain and simple.
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LGI is solid, no doubt. Have 2.5 bottles of their SD still, and even have a bottle of the old CEL Alpha 1. Hate to use up that bottle. I've ran it before it pretty much blows everything out of the water except for SD. Those were the "good old days", when steroids really were legal, lol.
 
ArmstrongBrah said:
Let me just clear the air again. Even if you had (200) -50mg tabs of Dbol come through. They still will not bother. I've had the chance to meet plenty of custom agents along the way and the paperwork that comes along with a seizure and a visit to your doorstep is ridiculous and takes days to complete among the rest of their duties. If you get a rookie who wants to be captain America and take all that paperwork he just completed to his superiors desk for further instruction, chances are he will get a lecture about how he is wasting Americas time. Like I said, bigger fish to fry with customs. They are worried about containers of narcotics, explosives/guns, and people. I need to repeat myself, I can not condone the shipment of any banned substance. I am just laying down some knowledge for y'all.
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Not doubting you its cool your sharing are you LE just wondering since you've had a chance to see paperwork etc. We. Have other LE on the board who gave up all banned substances.
 
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