Why is half the product line up being discontinued?
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Rockslide
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Man that’s a bummer. I know China has been talking about tightening up selling of hormone raws for years and I notice it’s all hormone stuff (even though it’s non suppressive stuff like baet, dhea, etc).
Makes me sad. I wish I had stocked up on more Kronos . I would like to stock up on some more Kronos but not sure I want to without B1G1 as it would be around 400 dollar to run at 200 mg/ml for 60 days
Makes me sad. I wish I had stocked up on more Kronos . I would like to stock up on some more Kronos but not sure I want to without B1G1 as it would be around 400 dollar to run at 200 mg/ml for 60 days
Ape McGrapes
Well-known member
DHEA crackdown in China?
Renew1
Legend
Sorry guys, we've been pretty tied up.
Just like the USA has a tiered scheduling for compounds, so does China, and other countries.
The compounds that we are being forced to stop carrying (because of irreconcilable.... At the moment ... Supply issues), were added to China's controlled scheduling, a few years back. And now, they are also prohibited from being exported.
So, unless something changes that we cannot forsee happening.... This will be permanent.
And ..... I'm only speaking for Apex-Alchemy, at the moment.
However.... You can probably draw your own conclusions about how this might very possibly affect UGLs, as well.
Most of you guys know me. I'm open to discussing a lot of things (most things) ..... However.... This isn't a decision we are Making. This is a decision we are currently being Forced to make.
And Nos has Always been a leading innovator, and has continued developing, and moving forward in the industry.
So I have Full confidence that he (and the rest of us) will continue pushing forward, developing, and bringing to market new products that we all Appreciate, and Value.
And don't forget ... In the meantime, we still have full stock (at the moment) of all products, and WELL OVER half of our current line up (until more are added), are unaffected by this supply issue.
*** I Do realize that everyone isn't currently signed up for our Company emails, so I have enclosed a partial copy below, listing the affected products:
Specific products impacted are AET-50, Arimahex, Biostane, Cortisalve, Kronos and Stanogen. Because these are highly sought after products that we will not be able to restock, these products will no longer be included in Buy One Get One Free sales or other "site wide" promotional sales.
These items remain available for purchase while current supplies last, but they will not be restocked once inventory is depleted. We encourage you to stock up on your favorites now.
We deeply appreciate your continued loyalty and trust in Apex Alchemy, and our customer support team is always here if you have any questions about this transition or our remaining catalog.
Warm regards,
The Apex Alchemy Team
www.apex-alchemy.com
Just like the USA has a tiered scheduling for compounds, so does China, and other countries.
The compounds that we are being forced to stop carrying (because of irreconcilable.... At the moment ... Supply issues), were added to China's controlled scheduling, a few years back. And now, they are also prohibited from being exported.
So, unless something changes that we cannot forsee happening.... This will be permanent.
And ..... I'm only speaking for Apex-Alchemy, at the moment.
However.... You can probably draw your own conclusions about how this might very possibly affect UGLs, as well.
Most of you guys know me. I'm open to discussing a lot of things (most things) ..... However.... This isn't a decision we are Making. This is a decision we are currently being Forced to make.
But, remember ... Nos, and Apex-Alchemy have faced numerous challenges over the years (we can All think of compounds that we used to sell, that are no longer available).And Nos has Always been a leading innovator, and has continued developing, and moving forward in the industry.
So I have Full confidence that he (and the rest of us) will continue pushing forward, developing, and bringing to market new products that we all Appreciate, and Value.
And don't forget ... In the meantime, we still have full stock (at the moment) of all products, and WELL OVER half of our current line up (until more are added), are unaffected by this supply issue.
*** I Do realize that everyone isn't currently signed up for our Company emails, so I have enclosed a partial copy below, listing the affected products:
Specific products impacted are AET-50, Arimahex, Biostane, Cortisalve, Kronos and Stanogen. Because these are highly sought after products that we will not be able to restock, these products will no longer be included in Buy One Get One Free sales or other "site wide" promotional sales.
These items remain available for purchase while current supplies last, but they will not be restocked once inventory is depleted. We encourage you to stock up on your favorites now.
We deeply appreciate your continued loyalty and trust in Apex Alchemy, and our customer support team is always here if you have any questions about this transition or our remaining catalog.
Warm regards,
The Apex Alchemy Team
Products
www.apex-alchemy.com
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nostrum420
Well-known member
We do have 1-2 things in the early research phase that could have some recovery benefits.
aman88
Active Member
That is just depressing… I will be sad when I finish my last bottles of biostane and Arimihex. are ALL supplies of products containing such products solely manufactured in China? I know a lot of companies sell 4 Dhea 1 dhea arimistane Eli andro etc. any info is appreciated thanks!
Rockslide
Veteran member
To my knowledge ( I have no affiliation with any supplement company) this is something it’s been on the radar since 2020. I believe the law passed in 2020 and everybody freaked out and then must’ve gone years before it was really in full enforcement over there so everybody kind of forgot about being in the works cause nobody felt the strain of it when it initially happened.
Believe it encompass is almost every hormone so even DHEA and its other more potent cousins like epiandro and 1-dhea.
When it first happened, there was a lot of talk about India picking up the lost business that was coming out of China, but I believe that Janoshik was on a podcast the other day saying that basically India hasn’t picked up any slack cranking out any raws. Hopefully the country with pharmaceutical manufacturing capabilities such as somewhere in Eastern Europe or India capitalizes on this, but it’s not guaranteed and if so, could be years .
DHEA is such a widely manufactured supplement. You can walk in the Walgreens and buy it I’m wondering where companies are gonna even get DHEA from.
aman88
Active Member
That’s crazy… how is none of this manufactured in the USA? None of its illegal to my knowledge. Surprised larger companies ur hi tech or what not doesn’t manufacture their own…
Renew1
Legend
Even the Pharmaceutical drugs "manufactured" in India, are overwhelmingly made with Chinese raws.
lanky
Veteran member
truth
lanky
Veteran member
it would be nice to see more steroidal intermediates produced by more countries other than china. there are some intermediates and even legal to obtain over the counter progestin steroids that can be converted to anabolics very easily in high yield through simple hydrogenation. Norgestrel is available over the counter in the US as a progestin only birth control. it is right next to the condoms in every store called "Opill" 30 or 60 tablets pretty cheap. the slightly higher dose is plan-b(morning after pill) unfortunately dosed in micrograms because of how potent it is as a progestin and full of fillers. the simple reaction would hydrogenate the c-17 alkyne and you form the anabolic norboletone that PA made. same reaction he used to convert gestrinone to tetrahydrogestrinone. The problem with norgestrel is that the raws are very expensive. this was done on purpose by drug companies to have a monopoly so no one will buy raws in bulk and undercut the contraceptive market, and secondly use it to produce anabolics. you would need at least 75 grand worth of norgestrel raws to make it worthwhile. at those prices you can run an endless cycle for the rest of your life of real gear and not go through the headache.
Renew1
Legend
How many times over a couple of decades has that been said?
Many.
It isn't as bad as it seems, and never is .... Thankfully.
We All tend to get carried away at first, by news we don't want to hear, and make Everything Seem worse than it actually is.
Just for instance:
I realize that you meant no harm, and just let the news carry you farther than the Reality of it.
But look at the title of this thread.
"... Half the product lineup is being discontinued".
.... But it isn't.
If my math is correct (and I am a little brain-tired today) .... Less than 38% of our current line up is being affected by this.
I totally understand how things like this can make things seem much worse than Reality (I deal with all of these things like everyone else).
But trying to stay realistic, look at history, and even trying to stay positive, holds huge value.
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