Who really runs America? Apparently it’s not the POTUS since 2000

[desibaba]

Maybe some of you gentlemen who are much wiser and older can educate me but is it my imagination or is the US President more of a symbolic figure like the Pope than someone who actually does things.

I became an adult when Bush Jr was the President and soon 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan and Iraq started.

I always see the same pattern regardless of who is in office.

Starting with Obama I noticed in 2008 Presidential candidates pretty much say anything to get their voter base to vote for them. After they get into office very little of those promises are actually fulfilled. Some Americans hate the President and blame him every chance they get while some supporters will be okay with anything they said or did regardless of how crazy it was.

4 different US presidents in my adult life and at 38 I still see the exact same pattern which I don’t see changing anytime soon.

So my question is if the President is more of a symbolic figure and doesn’t really call the big shots and is more of a guy to point the finger at then WHO is actually running the world’s biggest superpower?

 

[Kronic]

it's more like corporate interests control too much. Jon Stuart is covering some pretty good stuff on this lately

 

[Smont]

I am a firm believer that the president is a talking puppet and he doesn't make any of the real decisions. Some puppets are better at talking then others tho. But in the bigger scheme of things, I think ppl are mislead when they blame things on the president, I feel it's more about whatever group is behind that president.

Just my personal opinion, I don't think any regular person knows what the legitimate facts or on the topic. We only can know what we see on TV and make assumptions

 

[Smont]

I do feel like a lot of ppl got tricked into voting for Biden, up front he seemed like he was going to be part of a greater good, but woops lol!

 

[thebigt]

I do feel like a lot of ppl got tricked into voting for Biden, up front he seemed like he was going to be part of a greater good, but woops lol!

people from my generation got tricked into voting for jimmy carter....great guy, horrible president.

biden is the carter of the 21st century, imo.

 

[Kronic]

the USA president has real power. like executive orders and veto. but for some reason their usage is questionable usually

 

[thebigt]

the USA president has real power. like executive orders and veto. but for some reason their usage is questionable usually

biden set out to once again make the US energy dependent on day 1...the question is, why is venezuelan and iranian oil better for the environment than American oil?

biden declared war on fossil fuel on campaign trail in 2019....and here we are once again a oil importer.

 

[nostrum420]

it's more like corporate interests control too much. Jon Stuart is covering some pretty good stuff on this lately

This ^

 

[nostrum420]

Also Breaking Points.

 

[thebigt]

This ^

it's been a long time and my memory isn't what it used to be but didn't you say you are a anarchist and bernie sanders supporter?

 

[nostrum420]

it's been a long time and my memory isn't what it used to be but didn't you say you are a anarchist and bernie sanders supporter?

An anarchist? lol

A Sanders supporter? Given the options at the time (and at present) hell yeah.

Ermugherd people might need medicine when they're sick. #radicalsocialism

I would've agreed when we last debated, as I do now, that "corporate interests control too much."

What part of what I said above would be inconsistent with what I've said or supported in the past?

 

[nostrum420]

it's been a long time and my memory isn't what it used to be but didn't you say you are a anarchist and bernie sanders supporter?

Have you watched any of Jon Stuart's new show? If not, you might like it.

 

[thebigt]

An anarchist? lol

A Sanders supporter? Given the options at the time (and at present) hell yeah.

Ermugherd people might need medicine when they're sick. #radicalsocialism

I would've agreed when we last debated, as I do now, that "corporate interests control too much."

What part of what I said above would be inconsistent with what I've said or supported in the past?

nothing, is inconsistent...being a sanders supporter it is not consistent that you would find corporations not to your liking.

maybe i'm mistaken about anarchist but i could swear i thought you were defending antifa back then, if i'm wrong it wouldn't be the 1st time.

 

[thebigt]

Have you watched any of Jon Stuart's new show? If not, you might like it.

no, and i don't read vox either...sorry.

 

[nostrum420]

no, and i don't read vox either...sorry.

So, you admit you haven't engaged with the content discussed above.

ty for being honest.

 

[nostrum420]

nothing, is inconsistent...being a sanders supporter it is not consistent that you would find corporations not to your liking.

maybe i'm mistaken about anarchist but i could swear i thought you were defending antifa back then, if i'm wrong it wouldn't be the 1st time.

Do you think corporate interests control too little?

 

[nostrum420]

nothing, is inconsistent...being a sanders supporter it is not consistent that you would find corporations not to your liking.

maybe i'm mistaken about anarchist but i could swear i thought you were defending antifa back then, if i'm wrong it wouldn't be the 1st time.

You're pro-fascist?

 

[thebigt]

Do you think corporate interests control too little?

do you think antifa are criminals?

 

[nostrum420]

do you think antifa are criminals?

I try not to paint with such a broad brush.

 

[nostrum420]

do you think antifa are criminals?

For instance, I, myself, am against fascism and I have, at times, broken the law.

 

[thebigt]

You're pro-fascist?

i don't even know what that means anymore...i had 2 relatives on my mom's side die in ww2 after my grandfather left germany shortly after hitler took over.

 

[nostrum420]

i don't even know what that means anymore...i had 2 relatives on my mom's side die in ww2 after my grandfather left germany shortly after hitler took over.

I'll take that as you being a card carrying anti-fascist.

 

[thebigt]

I'll take that as you being a card carrying anti-fascist.

anti-facist yes...anti-antifa yes.

it's late and there is a great show on coast to coast tonight that i don't want to miss...so once again we will agree to disagree, my friend!!!

good night

 

[Tunaking14]

Do corporations control too much? Absolutely. As do the politicians who are one and the same. The 2 main political parties and American are both evil..........the independents will never win- they will make sure of it. So it boils down to one thing for me......the lesser of two evils is who I will vote for(and it sure wasn't Biden) while fighting/voting against both parties bullshit.........

 

[cylon357]

Maybe some of you gentlemen who are much wiser and older can educate me but is it my imagination or is the US President more of a symbolic figure like the Pope than someone who actually does things.

I became an adult when Bush Jr was the President and soon 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan and Iraq started.

I always see the same pattern regardless of who is in office.

Starting with Obama I noticed in 2008 Presidential candidates pretty much say anything to get their voter base to vote for them. After they get into office very little of those promises are actually fulfilled. Some Americans hate the President and blame him every chance they get while some supporters will be okay with anything they said or did regardless of how crazy it was.

4 different US presidents in my adult life and at 38 I still see the exact same pattern which I don’t see changing anytime soon.

So my question is if the President is more of a symbolic figure and doesn’t really call the big shots and is more of a guy to point the finger at then WHO is actually running the world’s biggest superpower?

This group of Aussies has the answer.

 

[Nodus1]

people from my generation got tricked into voting for jimmy carter....great guy, horrible president.

biden is the carter of the 21st century, imo.

While Carter may be a flawed human, like the rest of us, and been a terrible President, he's a better man on his worst day than Biden is on his best day.

 

[thebigt]

While Carter may be a flawed human, like the rest of us, and been a terrible President, he's a better man on his worst day than Biden is on his best day.

Carter is definitely a great human being, i met him long enough to shake his hand when he was on the campaign trail at the garfield park amphitheater in indianapolis when i was 18 years old....my friends and i waited for hours in the rain to hear him speak.
the 1st and last time i ever voted for a democrat.

 

[Iwilleattuna]

I am a firm believer that the president is a talking puppet and he doesn't make any of the real decisions. Some puppets are better at talking then others tho. But in the bigger scheme of things, I think ppl are mislead when they blame things on the president, I feel it's more about whatever group is behind that president.

Just my personal opinion, I don't think any regular person knows what the legitimate facts or on the topic. We only can know what we see on TV and make assumptions

facts

 

[cruze1911r1]

As a believer in Yeshua (Jesus Christ), I'll try to answer this from that angle.

When Satan took Yeshua to a high mountain and said "I'll give you all of this if you bow down and worship me"

Yeshua of course told him to GTFO, but He did not refute that it was Satan's to give. So, to answer the OP, I believe
presidents are selected, not elected, to further Satan's one world government, known as the New World Order, a phrase many POTUS have used during speeches. Am I saying every potus is evil? No. I'm saying our votes don't matter as much as I once thought they did. I'll admit, I WAS a huge DJT supporter. The blinders started comimg off late in his term and especially after. It now seems to me voting in a Luciferian system is counterproductive, Jesus is King.

The occult symbolism is everywhere. Hollywood, DC etc..

Again, this is all based on my beliefs, I don't present this as something you must believe.

 

[Smont]

I always get a little sad when I open up a old thread and see some of thebigt's posts. I bet if he was still with us there would be at least 50 more posts in this thread right now bashing Biden with a religious sledgehammer

Rip bigT

 

[Quest]

What?
What happened to him?

 

[cdawgismoney]

The real reason Jesus was murdered was not because of the Romans or because he was viewed as a false Messiah. It was due to an event that has come to be known as The Cleansing of the Temple.

And you don't have to be Catholic or even a theist to understand the significance of this. All you need to understand is that human nature has not radically changed in the last 2,000 years.

If that's too cryptic of an answer for you then I'll just pose the following question: if there is a group of people that are powerful enough to control the POTUS and ruthless enough to start these pointless wars and conflicts around the world, what are the chances you're going to find people freely 'speaking truth to power' on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Fox News, etc.?

 

[poison]

The real reason Jesus was murdered was not because of the Romans or because he was viewed as a false Messiah. It was due to an event that has come to be known as The Cleansing of the Temple.

And you don't have to be Catholic or even a theist to understand the significance of this. All you need to understand is that human nature has not radically changed in the last 2,000 years.

If that's too cryptic of an answer for you then I'll just pose the following question: if there is a group of people that are powerful enough to control the POTUS and ruthless enough to start these pointless wars and conflicts around the world, what are the chances you're going to find people freely 'speaking truth to power' on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Fox News, etc.?

What group are you referring to?