BamBam0319
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Eh maybe just get some caber or prami to keep your prolactin in check?
Who likes EQ?
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Eh maybe just get some caber or prami to keep your prolactin in check?
VWMeatHead
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Yea...or I guess realistically as long as I keep my e2 levels in check prolactin shouldn't be an issue. At least that's how I understand it...prolactin issues won't arise if you don't let estrogen get out of hand?
BamBam0319
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I think so. In my case id probably try to counter it from all sides, I'm prone to anything bad lol.
What if you ran NPP, test, AND trest?
VWMeatHead
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I suppose I could! But that's just more estrogen to suppress lol.
I am going to use an oral for a kicker though...not sure what.
Epistane
Pmag
Ultradrol
Superdrol
DMZ
Which one???
criticalbench
Legend
not a fan..
no sides.. just no positives up to 1000mg/wk for 20 weeks
no sides.. just no positives up to 1000mg/wk for 20 weeks
123abcabcabc
Well-known member
Not a good idea to run two 19-nor's. IMO save the trest for another cycle. Caber/Prami is a must I'd dose that EOD regardless if you notice progesterone sides or not. Prolactin induced gyno is sneaky....
Other than that, your cycle looks solid. Good luck haha.
yates84
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Not a good idea to run two 19-nor's. IMO save the trest for another cycle. Caber/Prami is a must I'd dose that EOD regardless if you notice progesterone sides or not. Prolactin induced gyno is sneaky....
Other than that, your cycle looks solid. Good luck haha.
^^^Definitely agree. Been there, done that, got gyno like a bastard so never again.
VWMeatHead
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Not a good idea to run two 19-nor's. IMO save the trest for another cycle. Caber/Prami is a must I'd dose that EOD regardless if you notice progesterone sides or not. Prolactin induced gyno is sneaky....
Other than that, your cycle looks solid. Good luck haha.
I figured as much lol.
Gutterpump
Banned
Trest ace / mast ace and epistane is replacing my eq/mast/test/tbol cycle this spring and is likely going to crush it fwiw. I think it'll be one of the best lean bulks I've ever done.
Burnfire
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Nice man! Excited to see that
VWMeatHead
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Sounds fantastic man.
bananagains
Banned
Tbol and test e is on my agenda this summer. Thinking a ten weeker 600mg test e week and tbol kick start first 4. Should make some nice gains
bert45
Banned
Tbol has been long replaced by epistane leave that Tbol shyt in the 90z
rtmilburn
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Really you think epiatane is stronger? I havent used either, i havent used any hormones, but from my understanding is that tbol is the shyt. Also my brother has used both and he absolutely loved tbol; said it was the best DRY gains from any oral he has taken. Just shows how people can react differently to things especially hormones.
bert45
Banned
Yes. Epistane is one of my favorite orals very versatile. Dry like winny but gets you jacked with dry muscle. I know alot of peeps who like tbol but never tried epistane bcuz it was over the counter I tried both and epistane for me beats tbol,anavar,primo,anadrol,dbol,etc. Good for bulking or cutting or recomping.
rtmilburn
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What dosage do you typically use?
bert45
Banned
never went higher then 60. I saw some peeps on here run it up to 100mg and we're raving about it but 60mg is my sweet spot. I start at 20mg and go up to 40mg then 60mg
rtmilburn
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Ok and WOW 100mgs some people are crazy
bert45
Banned
Yea talk about blood pressure hyper tension gainzzz
Gutterpump
Banned
Tbol = heartburn city, can't tolerate it anymore for some reason.
60mg of epi is perfect
60mg of epi is perfect
123abcabcabc
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I definitely wouldn't compare epistane to drol or even dbol... but it beats winny or var in my book.
BamBam0319
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Well now you got me second guessing my summer/fall cycle. I was gonna kick it off with tbol but maybe I'll consider epistane. I've used epistane and loved it every time. Never tried tbol
123abcabcabc
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What are your goals and expectations for your next cycle?
Gutterpump
Banned
50-60mg of tbol is pretty nice. I wouldn't throw away the option.
VWMeatHead
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Agreed...apples to oranges.
Now... superdrol to dbol or drol in terms of sheer lean gains...sure.
However, superdrol makes me feel like **** and dbol makes me feel great.
BamBam0319
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Probably lean bulk. I was considering test/EQ with tbol kicking and winny finisher
EDIT: maybe I could replace winny with epistane?
I'm doing a cycle before that one, but that's the one I'm considering tbol for.
I'm not! Just giving myself another option to consider.
VWMeatHead
Active member
Agreed.
I'm on DMZ right now though...and it is the tits. Pumps all day. And hungry as hell.
123abcabcabc
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Epistane finisher sounds good. Winny is more for contest prep several weeks out from a show when you're cutting. Since you're lean bulking, Epistane would better suit you.
BamBam0319
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Yeah, well a show next fall isn't completely out of the question for me. Depends how my next cycle goes, and that'll determine what I do over the summer and into the fall.
Audioph1x
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What mg?
I've only run DMZ maybe twice. I don't remember it being as strong as I had expected it to be but felt real good on it. Felt real strong and full but not fat.
Hmm. Is DMZ still available?
bananagains
Banned
I've heard nasty things about progesterone and gyno problems from epistane. This will be my first real cycle. Was gonna do 500-600 test e pinned once a week and 20mg tool pre workout working my way up to 50mg the final week.
Test e
600 600 600 600 600 600 600 600 600 600
Tbol
20 30 30 40 50
Liver support
Pct
Clomid 50 25 25 25
Will have exemestane on hand if estro sides occur
Yes, I know the tbol dose isn't much, but I'm trying to take it easy. 600mg test e should provide plentyogains anyhow.
VWMeatHead
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I'm only on 30mg right now...been on for 5 days.
You can still find DMZ if you look hard enough...you can still get it in Europe...I also heard Europe has the interwebs now too...hint hint
123abcabcabc
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Pin your Test E twice a week. Monday/Thursday injections will keep your levels stable.
VWMeatHead
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Epistane has nothing to do with progesterone, and in many cases in shrinks/reverses gyno.
123abcabcabc
Well-known member
I think he's misinformed lol.
Also, Tbol below 50mg is entirely too low to produce any gains. It's mild enough, don't expect too much from it. bananagains
bananagains
Banned
If anything I'll get some increased appetite and aggression in the gym. Meant to be very mild anyhow. Based on my research, some people are fin pinning a long ester once a week, others like twice a week better. I'll just have to experiment.
As far as epistane, I am misinformed, however I recall someone saying that their gyno came back worse after it shrunk from the epi
VWMeatHead
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You won't get **** from 20 mg of var man...it's likely underdosed anyway.
In regards to epistane, yes...technically you could have rebound e2 issues..
But you should be using a serm and AI for PCT which would prevent that....so it's a non issue.
123abcabcabc
Well-known member
The Test E will be giving you that appetite and aggression boost you're describing. The Tbol will be completely overpowered lol. You're likely to only expect slightly more vascularity... which isn't worth it IMO.
bananagains
Banned
Maybe I'll drop the tbol then. What would 5mg halotestin pre workout for first two weeks and last two weeks look like?
VWMeatHead
Active member
Why not just run a legit 6 week, properly dosed oral at the beginning of your cycle.
123abcabcabc
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This ^
Seems like you're trying to cut corners, which will leave you empty-handed (little to no gains and less money in your pocket).
bananagains
Banned
Was just gonna ask lol. What would you recommend? I was thinking a ph, being my supplier I'm looking I to doesn't even carry halotestin. I have var (spendy tho) tbol dbol winstrol. Was thinking of maybe running hexadrone as a ph option. Maybe msten. Just want something to keep me dry and vascular without sacrificing cardio lol.
On as side note, would low does (40mcg) clen be beneficial? Just do 2 weeks on 6 off 2 on? Cycle will be a recomp anyway as I feel very lean bulk recomp is most sensible.
On as side note, would low does (40mcg) clen be beneficial? Just do 2 weeks on 6 off 2 on? Cycle will be a recomp anyway as I feel very lean bulk recomp is most sensible.
VWMeatHead
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**** the clen...you're not doing a show. **** is dangerous anyway.
Msten should keep you fairly dry given your diet is in check and you keep the e2 from the test at bay.
123abcabcabc
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Dry DHT based compounds like winny won't really affect your cardio... they will however dry your joints out, which can be somewhat controlled with joint supps.
bananagains
Banned
Noted, will not be taking clen.
Msten is sounding pretty promising then. I've also heard about pmag but I guess it's hard to come by.
Msten is sounding pretty promising then. I've also heard about pmag but I guess it's hard to come by.
VWMeatHead
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Funny you mention that...I just bought some lol.
bananagains
Banned
Not a big fan of dry joints. Sounds achey and annoying considering strength is my priority lol
bananagains
Banned
Okay maybe it isn't so hard o come by lol. Just finding the right sketchy looking ebay small business seller lol