The key word in my statement was "unintended" methyl stacking. There are a number of people who understand these compounds on a par with you (I certainly do not) who DO believe that methyl stacking poses a potential risk that exceeds a 1 +1 = 2 formula as you postulate.
This would be true (and can be true) because methylation is NOT the sole factor determining liver issues (which are overblown to begin with and are NOT prevented or proven to be prevented with the BS, OTC schlock people try to sell you to "protect your liver while on methylated steroids").
Example: methyltrienolone and methyltestosterone are both C17a-methyls. 1.0mg of methyltrienolone is MUCH more toxic to the liver than 25-50mg of methyltestosterone. Yet the dose is 1/25th to 1/50th. Why is that? Because there are other factors at work here that cause hepatic insult and enzyme stress. It is too lengthy to go into a dissertation about it here but "stacking methyls is dangerous" is at a minimum, an ignorant statement and at worse, is untrue. What if instead of taking 40mg of 'the C-17a methylated version of Masteron' I tool 20mg of it and then took 20mg of say...DMT. Both are a 40mg dose. Which one is more potentially liver toxic? I'll give you a hint. It's the 40mg dose of plain methyl masteron.
Do you see my point now. Stacking methyls is not a bad idea or a good idea - it is a perspective issue based on the inherent characteristics of the compounds you intend to stack.
People who do not have the knowledge base to make an intelligent and informed choice should not be doing EITHER - that is to say using solo methyls or stacking 2+ in a cycle.
See my point even clearer now?
I am not flippant at making health choices for other people but I am absolutely against BS crap not vetted by proper scientific discovery or debate (like your multiple methyls = worse than one methyl postulate). I am also against people using these things as if they were frigging candy. 95% of the people out there using ALL these substances and 99% of them using ALL supplements really do not have a sufficient grasp on the pharmacology, molecular biology and biochemistry to make a good choice.
Example - I think virtually all arginine products are worthless in healthy males. Or close to it. Anyhonw with a real grasp of pharmacology and biochem will immediately know why this is fact and not fiction. Those with a more advanced knowledge will know there are ways to lessen the uselessness of these to make them better, longer lasting and somewhat more effective for pennies. The fact that despite HEAVY hinting by me as to what is wrong with most arginine supps, nobody has posted why they are most likely bunk. Why is this?
To say I am not concerned with potential DMT contamination is totally unfair and is a real slap in the face. I have repeatedly mentioned, on this board, that I have finally aqcuire sealed boxes of box lot#'s and want to send them to SRCS to have them tested for DMT/THG/TMG at my expense. I think you are being unfair here. Of course I am concerned. Would I be doing this if I didn't give a sh*t?
WRT to "calling the scientist", BC from bb.com tried to contact him and asked him for an EXACT amount and was blown off. I asked Amy Shipley for a lab assay in print with a name/addy/contact number for the people running this assay and I am still waiting for it. (I will not hold my breath). Lastly, there is a possibility that there was a counterfeit version of the product with a 3rd batch # Gaspari did not produce that we need to investigate.
As an FYI - Gaspari tests for common contaminants. We can't test for something if there is no analytical standard for it (for HPLC). That's just the fact of it and there is none for Halodrol (but there will be VERY soon).
Our university chemist in China tested a batch to be released to us and he found it was actually real Oral Turinabol! Obviously, Rich (smartly and rightfully) put the kabosh in that and made them do the whole batch over again (part of the delay in getting a new batch out).
To say Gaspari is lax on QA/QC is not fair. The situation is not ideal but at least he is testing, at considerable expense, to make sure the usual suspects are not in his stuff. Most of the other companies don't even do that.
It should be up to the user to decide for himself whether he wants to play it conservative by not mixing methylated compounds or not.
What if the user is naive and grossly undereducated and basis his choice on BS board logs (some of them are) and heresay that makes no sense? Still think this is a good idea? I prefer educate with fact and admit what we do not know.
An indepenent lab (not associated with one of your competitors) said that Halodrol was contaminated with DMT.
And they said it was significant without quantifying that. I wonder why the would not print a specific number like 25mg per tab or 18%?
Why "significant"? Because it is absolutely nebulous and vague and protects agaist a lawsuit. Is 1mg significant? Is 0.01mg significant? Define significant?
Would I be shocked to find out there is 0.5%mg of DMT and 49.5% of Halodrol per tablet? Not really. It's insignificant and is typical of Chinese manufacturers not cleaning equipment well. Would I be surprised to find 20mg of DMT or TMG and 30mg of Halodrol per tablet? I'd go ballistic and demand Gaspari launch an investigation as to where the problem occured. There is a difference. If you can't see this you don't know this industry well. We have people who have deliberately misbranded fat loss products with clenbuterol and amphetamines got caught. We have OTC libido stuff that has "real" sildenafil citrate in it as the primary active ingredient. To me, this constitutes consumer fraud and misbranding. But a trivial contaminant, if it even exists, is not the same thing. You understand the difference?
but users shouldn't have to just hope for the best when taking such things
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But that is exactly what is happening here ALL over the industry. A lab assay done on raw material alone is no indication that product is in the current batch of finished goods being sold. All it means is whatever powder was sent in was tested and came back pure or not. Testing of finished product, each and every batch is the only way and almost nobody does this.
BK
! Just my $.02 on this, and something to think about.
